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luka
24-04-2006, 08:30 AM
i know theres a lot of people here who live in london and act like they know it really well and understand it and have like,deep insights into its nature and the nature of its inhabitants, and they would think of themselves as londoners. they probably reckon they know they're way around,probably like to think they're pretty streetwise, know their crackheads from their smackheads and all that, but really,deeop down, they know they moved here 3 years ago,from some shithole in the sticks. so what i want to know is, who here was born and rasied in london.
which part? just out of interest. where do you live now?

IdleRich
24-04-2006, 12:36 PM
Definitely fake. I was born in Swindon and grew up in Uffington in Oxfordshire. I moved to London in 2000 (I think) and I've lived in Maida Vale, Mile End, Stepney, Bethnal Green and now Hackney where I think I'll stay for the forseeable future.
I wouldn't exactly say that have deep insights in to London but I'm beginning to find my way around a bit now.

owen
24-04-2006, 12:40 PM
oh, fake as fake can be.

i've lived in london (south of river- first new cross, then peckham, then camberwell/brixton hinterlands ,and deptford for the last 3 years) for 7 years but am originally from Southampton. Seeing as I'm 24 though that does mean I've lived in london my entire adult life. and my dad's a londoner. will that do?

bassnation
24-04-2006, 12:49 PM
fake - never going to get away with pretending i'm born and bred london with a comedy welsh accent like my own.

i have lived and worked in london for over ten years though, even if i did escape to the fresh air and greener climes of essex a while back to get married.

martin
24-04-2006, 01:33 PM
I was born in Burnt Oak, Edgware General Hospital. Some pedantic types might sneer and holler that I'm technically from 'Middlesex', however I'd counter-argue that 'technically' they are a bunch of wankers who know nothing. It's 10 mins on the bus from Cricklewood and into Harlesden and 20 mins by train to Camden, is that close enough for you all?

I lived outside London for a few years (not by personal choice). I now live round the corner from *rs*n*l's shithole of a ground - bizarrely enough, as I've supported Tottenham since I was 5. I've lived in New Cross and Camberwell for 3 years, Stratford and Bethnal Green for about 6 months apiece, moved back to the street in Burnt Oak where George Michael grew up between 1997 and 2002.

I'm still proud about coming from Burnt Oak, it's funny looking back to when the 'welcome' sign had 'TWINNED WITH BEIRUT' sprayed under it. There's loads of crime, but I never felt in serious trouble there, maybe that's just bias though. All this stuff about London kids today being worse than ever is crap, back in the 80s there was this overflow of teenagers from the Graham Park Estate who were seriously fucking psychotic.

I know loads of people would hate it, it's not remotely glam, but I still miss it! Especially the markets on Saturday mornings. It's a bit of a 'couldn't give a fuck about the rest of London' place. Also, there are shitloads of really good looking girls up there, I don't know why. I once had a good chat with someone from Selectadisc on the basis that we both grew up in Burnt Oak. You should hear one of these conversations, it's a right laugh. Elvis Patelvis once played live in Burnt Oak too - that was our gig scene.

stelfox
24-04-2006, 01:49 PM
fake, tho as i've lived in liverpool for 16 years, london has nothing to teach me street-knowledge-wise and certainly hasn't ever shown me anything new in terms of drug addiction or crime.

infinite thought
24-04-2006, 02:09 PM
faker than all of you put together, though I would probably not attempt to get away with claiming to know anything about the following 'city things': drugs (I had some once, tho, they were quite nice), violence (eek! run away!), slang (apart from what my students tell me), the seething underbelly of the beast (grumbly), or architecture (the buildings are too big, I just can't see them properly).

I spent the first 18 years of my life in a field in the middle of nowhere being bored and cold and rarely talking to anyone. Sort of the opposite of having any insights into a metropolis, basically.

I did live in Coventry for a few years after that, which was nowhere near as violent as everyone claimed it was. I loved it! Very concrety and they used to play the Specials' 'Ghost Town' in the precinct when the shops closed.

Isn't London a bit like New York tho? People kind of elect to move there and create a kind of 'existential' city, rather than one based on the contingent fact of birth?

But, yeah, aren't there any proper londoners on dissensus (apart from Martin of course!)?

nomos
24-04-2006, 02:17 PM
i've got you all beat. i just live there in my head. good sandwiches :)

martin
24-04-2006, 02:24 PM
i've got you all beat. i just live there in my head. good sandwiches :)

You're better off that way. It's not like it was in the old days. Back then you could go see a soundsystem for just one pound! And have enough change to get a bus home. Homeless people aren't the same these days, they used to be all covered in sores and dying, now they seem quite chipper! I blame 'The Big Issue'. And the museums! All gone downhill since I was a nipper. The football's rubbish, you used to be able to ZZZZZZZZZZ

infinite thought
24-04-2006, 03:55 PM
good sandwiches :)

God I wish I lived in the London-in-your-head! You don't get much change from a fiver for a rubbish bit of bread with manky tomatoes and rancid cheese and a crap cup of coffee in the real one...

sufi
24-04-2006, 04:04 PM
born in wandworth, brung up in bristol me.
then lived in lunun since i was a teen, not that i'd ever claim to be a londoner except mebbe in bristle, & vice versa
1 lifetime is too short to get to know this dunia anyway

boomnoise
24-04-2006, 04:54 PM
fake: born and raised in whitley bay near newcastle, moved to london in 2000. lived in manorhouse, bruce grove and now whitechapel.

i reckon you don't have to be from london to be a londoner, would any of the proper londoners agree with that? i mean multiculturalism is one of the main reasons i came to london in the first place.

matt b
24-04-2006, 05:09 PM
fake: born and raised in whitley bay near newcastle, moved to london in 2000. lived in manorhouse, bruce grove and now whitechapel.

i reckon you don't have to be from london to be a londoner, would any of the proper londoners agree with that? i mean multiculturalism is one of the main reasons i came to london in the first place.


being born and raised in whitley bay, you would've had a fair bit of catching up to do

BOOM! BOOM!

;)

bassnation
24-04-2006, 07:35 PM
certainly hasn't ever shown me anything new in terms of drug addiction or crime.

ah, you just aren't going to the right places / people! ;)

boomnoise
25-04-2006, 12:19 AM
being born and raised in whitley bay, you would've had a fair bit of catching up to do

BOOM! BOOM!

;)

well obviously not exclusively in whitley bay all the time, i ventured into the toon on the regular. plus you can learn a lot from whitley bay. ;)

Woebot
25-04-2006, 08:39 AM
i know theres a lot of people here who live in london and act like they know it really well and understand it and have like,deep insights into its nature and the nature of its inhabitants, and they would think of themselves as londoners. they probably reckon they know they're way around,probably like to think they're pretty streetwise, know their crackheads from their smackheads and all that, but really,deeop down, they know they moved here 3 years ago,from some shithole in the sticks. so what i want to know is, who here was born and rasied in london.
which part? just out of interest. where do you live now?

fake. also arriving back on the plane from holiday realised how much i detest the place.

simon silverdollar
25-04-2006, 08:50 AM
very fake. i moved here in summer 2003.
and i live in clapham, which isn't really part of london, more a little slice of buckinghamshire that's somehow got transplanted next to brixton.
still, i get cheap rent and get to live with my girlfriend.

before i was a fake londoner, i was born and raised in cheshire, in a small rural village on the outskirts of runcorn.

luka
25-04-2006, 08:51 AM
that's what i thought.

i don't really like it. its clogging up the streets. allyou lot. plus you all want to work in media or something.

craner
25-04-2006, 09:50 AM
Fuck it. I'm moving back to Swansea.

bassnation
25-04-2006, 09:56 AM
plus you all want to work in media or something.

i'd rather eat my own toenails!

droid
25-04-2006, 10:50 AM
I make no claims to be a Londoner, but according to family legend, I have several uncles, grand uncles and distant relatives who helped build the place...

That good enough for ya? :D

Omaar
25-04-2006, 11:42 AM
I lived in London from 1996 to 1998, then went back to New Zealand. Just arrived back here in november, and am living in Peckham now. I like Peckham, although someone was stabbed at my bus stop the other week and the street was cordoned off for a few days. My Grandmother and a few generations preceding her lived here in the 19th and early 20th century though, they were jewish tailors in the east end.

Grievous Angel
25-04-2006, 12:12 PM
I lived in Essex -- but near the end of district line (Hornchurch).

Lived in London proper for years - Westbourne Park, Hammersmith, Dalston, Stoke Newington, Brixton

Technically "real" "London" but

I
don't
give
a
fuck

:)

Hated living there for a few years, but now I LOVE going back to visit - and like escaping back to Sheffield even more.

bassnation
25-04-2006, 12:23 PM
I lived in Essex -- but near the end of district line (Hornchurch).


i didn't know it was hornchurch you come from - thought it was north essex, heading towards ipswich. from my limited knowledge based on passing through, hornchurch is almost east end.

i can't imagine living in london again for a variety of reasons - very happy where i am now, although it took some adjustment on my part to get to know the place and the people. its certainly the last move i intend to make, god knows lived in so many parts of the uk, its time to put down deep lasting roots.

my life and business is still intimately tied to london, and i still spend the majority of time there. you aren't that distant, conceptually speaking in essex anyway.

craner
25-04-2006, 12:29 PM
My Uncle Jack came down to London when the family business had a building contract in Whitechapel after the war. Unfortunately, he drank away all the profits.

SIZZLE
25-04-2006, 06:32 PM
Isn't London a bit like New York tho? People kind of elect to move there and create a kind of 'existential' city, rather than one based on the contingent fact of birth?


This is maybe way OT, maybe not but having grown up in New York (and am therefore, a REAL New Yorker, thank you, thank you) I find that the real new yorkers, very few of them anyway, are the reason NY is an exciting place to be. It's more the alienated young kids from the sticks who have something to prove, come, live in some horrible place, pay horrible rent and just run around intoxicated by the possibility of things and hang out with a lot kids like them that are actually doing anything.

Most of the real New Yorkers I grew up with spend their time getting wasted and complaining about the fake new yorkers, how they drive up rent prices, vice magazine, williamsburg, etc. If they were the only people there NY would be a very different place, and a lot less exciting. So for my money, bring em on, most of these people moved here for a reason (and therefore are often more interesting than those simply born there) and since they are struggling so hard just to be there work harder, do more and generally make things more interesting.

That said, I moved to Berlin and became one of the aforementioned people, that was actually one of the turning points in my relationship to them, so I might not be totally unbiased. I can tell you though, in this case it's more fun driving up the rents and being part of the problem than vice versa.

bun-u
25-04-2006, 10:32 PM
I'm a fugazi too...from Coventry for real

Ach!
25-04-2006, 11:09 PM
Tottenham -> Edmonton -> Highbury -> Dulwich -> New Cross...

perhaps I should get out of London someday. Sometimes it feels a little embarrassing having to admit you've never lived anywhere else for an extended period. Perhaps exotic Bedford has something to offer.

luka
26-04-2006, 08:47 AM
This is maybe way OT, maybe not but having grown up in New York (and am therefore, a REAL New Yorker, thank you, thank you) I find that the real new yorkers, very few of them anyway, are the reason NY is an exciting place to be. It's more the alienated young kids from the sticks who have something to prove, come, live in some horrible place, pay horrible rent and just run around intoxicated by the possibility of things and hang out with a lot kids like them that are actually doing anything.

Most of the real New Yorkers I grew up with spend their time getting wasted and complaining about the fake new yorkers, how they drive up rent prices, vice magazine, williamsburg, etc. If they were the only people there NY would be a very different place, and a lot less exciting. So for my money, bring em on, most of these people moved here for a reason (and therefore are often more interesting than those simply born there) and since they are struggling so hard just to be there work harder, do more and generally make things more interesting.

That said, I moved to Berlin and became one of the aforementioned people, that was actually one of the turning points in my relationship to them, so I might not be totally unbiased. I can tell you though, in this case it's more fun driving up the rents and being part of the problem than vice versa.


to the contrary, i think these people are the very people who fuck a city up. they're dazzled, thats the best way to put it, everything excites them, they're blinded by the dazzle, all they see is gleam. i really loathe these people to be honest.

Jim Daze
26-04-2006, 10:18 AM
Lived in London for about 17 of my 33 years so I guess I'm semi-real, certainly feel that way at the moment. The rest of the time was spent standing in a freezing bus shelter in Essex which is populated by quite a lot of working class ex Londoners .

bassnation
26-04-2006, 10:57 AM
to the contrary, i think these people are the very people who fuck a city up. they're dazzled, thats the best way to put it, everything excites them, they're blinded by the dazzle, all they see is gleam. i really loathe these people to be honest.

thats about 75% of london you just wrote off there!

we are talking about people who are slightly more integrated than a bunch of tourists blocking the way in the underground.

remember london has always been this way - its a city of immigrants, built and sustained by outsiders who eventually get sucked in.

droid
26-04-2006, 11:48 AM
thats about 75% of london you just wrote off there!

we are talking about people who are slightly more integrated than a bunch of tourists blocking the way in the underground.

remember london has always been this way - its a city of immigrants, built and sustained by outsiders who eventually get sucked in.


Nah mate! its all about the real Londoners innit!

http://www.shedheaven.com/sheds/arfur/arthurflag.jpeg

Like Luka and Arfur... :confused:

Don Rosco
26-04-2006, 06:44 PM
I was born on Electric Avenue, Brixton (or the nearest maternity hospital anyway).

Left when I was 4 or so though :mad: i've lived in Dublin for most of the rest of the time, but went back for a year in 95.

So, real. Yet fake.

droid
26-04-2006, 07:06 PM
I was born on Electric Avenue, Brixton (or the nearest maternity hospital anyway).

Left when I was 4 or so though :mad: i've lived in Dublin for most of the rest of the time, but went back for a year in 95.

So, real. Yet fake.

Always knew there was something fishy about you.... ;)

tryptych
27-04-2006, 03:18 AM
Fake. From Lancashire originally, lived in Stratford and south (camberwell, brixton, herne hill) for 4 years, and now back to brixton after two years away from the capital.

Actually enjoying being back, lot more than I thought I would. London's a much more appealing place if you don't have a 9-5... ;)