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k-punk
21-05-2006, 09:55 AM
The banning of Padraig marks the lowpoint of the board for me... lower even that Luke starting threads based on News of the World gossip, lower even than threads entitled 'what music does your girl like' (whose entirely justified assumptions about the mainly male heterosexual make-up of the board tells its own depressing story).

What is most significant about this was not only the banning but the pathetic witch-hunt mounted by militantly complacent dope smoking dads which led up to it. Hang on, how can I attack Luke but defend Padraig, shouts the gliberal commonsensus? Well, because the problem with Luke was not his antagonism (antagonism is the lifeblood of any board worth its salt), but his trolling. Padraig is insulting, of that there is no doubt - but his posts are always serious and from a committed counter-commonsensical position. Luke's posts were solely and exclusively intended to provoke, which, surprise surprise, they duly did. Reading Luke over the past few months has been like reading the Sun: the same faux-ignorance and sim working class argot (those who don't know, btw, should be aware that both of Luke's parents went to university and that his sister is at Oxford), the same defence of a carefully cultivated ignorance and persecution of anything deemed to be different, especially if it is 'intellectual'. The fact that NO-ONE complained about good old salt of the earth wouldn't hurt a fly Luke but that there was a whole swathe of 'daddy daddy this man insulted me' tittle tattle in respect of Padraig demonstrates the current values of the board. The reason I haven't said much before is (1) that I haven't had the time and (2) that the quality of posting here has become so mediocre that I just don't care that much what happens any more.

All worthwhile boards are to some degree intimidating: that was certainly the case on alt.movies.kubrick (on which Padraig and I cut our teeth) when it was good. It was intimidating in the same sense that I used to find the NME intimidating, when Penman and Morley wrote for it. Intimidating in that it demanded something of you, made you want to be more than what you were, made you want to be worthy of it. ILM is intimidating. My problem with ILM is, again, not antagonism, but smugness - the one-liner, one-upmanship culture of getting one over on someone else with no deeper project.

But Dissensus, contrary to its name, has become like Cheers with marijuana instead of beer - you pop in, say something of no consequence or interest to anyone, don't even listen to what other people are saying, have your basic story about the world reinforced, blearily feel good about yourself, then wander out again. Padraig was right to rail against that. Politeness is the first line of defence for the existing order. Where I disagree with him is that there is much point bothering. The board is clearly set up for the likes of Wasteofspacenation and Confused to set a non-agenda of anything for a quietist life dreariness and kooky kalifornian drivel. The arrival of Gek Opel - is this one poster the saviour of Dissensus? - provides some grounds for hope, together with the continuning presence of some of the old UKDance crew. They have made the Burial thread such an unexpected success. Who knew? Serious, intelligent and evocative discourse about dubstep that actually makes you want to listen to it. (Part of the reason I have had limited interest in the genre has been the depressing delibidinizing association with some of the most relentlessly dull posters here.) So I am not going to cut off my nose to spite my face by saying that I won't post here any more. But I have little hope that the board can have its centre of gravity switched from lazy mediocrity.

So, put the Tellytubbies on for the kids, light up your spliffs, get your slippers out, and carry on. The world is just great, and who can say any different?

IdleRich
21-05-2006, 03:55 PM
I can't agree with that at all. I don't know Luka, Padraig or Droyd and I've never been involved or moved to complain but I've seen several of their posts and the argument that they had. In general Padraig seems to have an incredible ability to argue with almost anyone, even those who broadly agree with him. His posts remind me of nothing so much as the violent eruptions of someone with Tourettes, completely disregarding or misunderstanding the previous posts and going off on meaningless tangents, all the while adding in capital letters and pointless pictures. The overall effect is of being shouted at by an unpleasant lunatic. At first I found this mildy amusing but after a while I began to seriously wonder about the state of his mental health. I dread to think what he is like in person, if he acts like that he must be utterly unbearable.
In the case of Padraig's argument with Luka I agree that Luka did wind him up (slightly) but the reaction was completely out of all proportion. First Droyd and then Woebot tried to mediate but they simply received another torrent of abuse and unreasonable demands. In general I won't miss Padraig's posts, not because they were rude but because, more often than not, the content was also worthless.
In general I disagree about the state of the board. As a relatively recent joiner I can't speak for how it used to be but I feel that I have learnt a lot from people who know more than I do about all of the various subjects and I have been steered towards loads of fascinating things with the Burial thread you mention being just one example of many worthwhile topics that have been debated.

bassnation
21-05-2006, 03:56 PM
But Dissensus, contrary to its name, has become like Cheers with marijuana instead of beer - you pop in, say something of no consequence or interest to anyone, don't even listen to what other people are saying, have your basic story about the world reinforced, blearily feel good about yourself, then wander out again. Padraig was right to rail against that. Politeness is the first line of defence for the existing order. Where I disagree with him is that there is much point bothering. The board is clearly set up for the likes of Wasteofspacenation and Confused to set a non-agenda of anything for a quietist life dreariness and kooky kalifornian drivel.

well, this is an interesting theory mark, but as a matter of fact i was not one of those people mailing matt complaining about padraig. we certainly had our differences, but i'm not a snitch. if i have an issue with someone i'll raise it with them publicly and directly. i am not in favour of moderated boards, or banning of people.

the problem i had with padraig was his assumptions on what he thinks i think. i believe you should at least find out what someones positions actually are before dismissing them.

the fact is, my politics are at least as radical as padraigs. i went to a shitty comprehensive school in one of the poorest parts of the uk. my parents were working class radicals and i have a background in protest that partly stems from seeing my mates dads get their heads stoved in by the police during the skirmishes of the miners strike. i am as left wing as i have ever been. i protested against the iraq war and i am firmly against military action in iran.

you are as bad as he is, for assuming much that has no basis in fact. its disapointing for me as someone who finds your writing both inspiring and thought provoking - are you honestly suggesting that the kind of moronic bar room slagging matches that drove many people away from the politics board are something that we should be striving for?

i too cut my teeth on harsher boards than this (uk-dance for your information - and you'd better believe that i'm more than capable of standing my own in an argument with you or him, or both). the key difference these days is i can disagree without insulting someone.

and since when did i become king of the board? i'm just an individual with my own opinions who people shot down in flames when i've moaned publicly about people being aggressive. in fact i've even changed my opinion after discussing it with stelfox on another thread.

marc

jenks
21-05-2006, 05:02 PM
I think that the fact that Luka could post things that had humour in them has much to do with the reason why he didn't get the same flak as Padraig. I said the forum will miss Luka and i think it will. I won't miss the tabloid quality to some of his posts and i wish he would expand on his ideas cos i think he probably is far more intelligent than he wants us to think he is.

Padraig became too truculent and quite unnecessarily aggressive - there was never any sense that he was listening to anybody else, even those who agreed with him. I was, however, sorry to see him go as i read nearly everything he wrote/ linked to. I am sorry his blog is currentlt suspended too.

As someone who has mentioned his children from time to time i am interested in whether it is all fathers you are slagging off or just merely the pot smoking ones. If it is, why mention that they are dads, unless parenthood somehow makes you incapable of joining in the debate.

droid
21-05-2006, 07:53 PM
Just posting to draw a line under this sorry episode.

I think its quite instructive that this farce is now being interpreted as some seismic victory for 'niceness' over incisive/abrasive/challenging intellectualism, a position which totally misses the point that this was nothing to do with content, and all about delivery.

In my view Padraig has consistently gone out of his way to be as obnoxious, aggressive and confrontational as possible since he first started posting here. Sure he's fine as long as you agree with him, but the slightest murmurs of dissent against his opinions or manner have resulted in tirade after tirade of patronising misinterpretations and insults, one of the low points of which was his response to Omarrs request for a simple link to a source (http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=3440&page=1&pp=15). This is all in sharp contrast to yourself (K-punk), and many of the other highbrow commentators here, who - to their credit, often go out of their way to explain themselves to us mere mortals without simultaneously expressing their contempt with every syllable.

The ironic thing about this is that many of the people he's alienated (including myself), had sympathy for his views and found his posts interesting. There was no 'pathetic witch hunt' to oust him, afaik, there werent even that many complaints, and for my own part, I never once requested that Padraig be banned. Its also ludicrous to suggest there was some kind of campaign of harrasment against him - that he was passively 'wound up', and his behaviour was somehow justified. Luka and Oliver baited him, sure - and I challenged them about it myself. I took the piss out of him a few times, as did other Dissensians, but the general reaction to any confrontation with him was to slowly back away - not to escalate. I think those who actually took part in those discussions or anyone bored enough to take the time to read through them will come to roughly the same conclusion.

Is there any point in also mentioning that a '20 year veteran' of the internet should have easily been able to handle a bit of mild verbal prodding without exploding into profanity and threats? That Padraig shouldve been able to take a fraction of the abuse he was dishing out? That his responses were wildly dispproportionate to the 'provocation' in question? That he was given a second chance (all credit to Woebot), but pissed it away?

Regardless of all this, I find it very strange that the 'culture' of Dissensus is being criticised whilst the incident that brought all this to a head, and its effects on same culture is totally over-looked. Despite what Im sure some people believe, the reason I attempted to moderate Padraig was not down to some personal animus, but simply because he had crossed the line into pure personal abuse in his post to Luka. His response to me was arguably even more serious, as it crossed the line into actionable slander ('THIS psychotic, drug-pushing ("you should try them") fuck'), and something that could easily be interpreted as a threat. (Listen you fuck, I'm going to be doing MUCH MORE than keeping a close eye on you from now on ... You imagine we don't know who you are?). Is this acceptable in any context? Is this condusive to open discussion and debate? Would you accept this without complaint? Dont you realise that you could concieveably be prosecuted along with Padraig for allowing those comments to appear on this board? (dont worry - I could never afford it!)

This is what bothers me most about your argument. Its a position which seems to value the inflated rhetoric of the 'counter-commonsensical position' over the most basic of social conventions (such as listening to the people youre talking to), that excuses unnecessary aggression and confrontation as long as it comes from a 'serious' commentator, that ignores rampant abuse and turns the tables so the abuser is absolved of any reponsibility for his own actions and becomes the victim of some invented 'anti-intellectual fratboy' culture - as long as it comes from someone judged to be serious/interesting/provocative etc...

Are you aware that Padraig has almost certainly been signing me up to spam sites? (Ive recieved 30 or so emails since he was banned) That he's allegedly sending out hate mail to people? That I'm not 100% sure I wont find him waiting in the bushes outside my house some dark evening? That given his behaviour thus far, this post alone will probably generate even more virtual harrasment?

How you can defend this behaviour whilst condemning the 'culture' of a forum that essentially ignored most of Padraig's transgressions baffles the mind. Im sure there some justification other than intellectual cronyism, but itd probably go over my sun reading, slipper wearing, 'pot' smoking, child rearing (I dont have any kids, but why ruin a perfectly crass generalisation?) head.

ice bat
21-05-2006, 08:23 PM
k-punk, the hostile personal emotional tone of this sort of thing makes me not want to post on this board or even read it that closely. It's not intimidating in any productive sense, just repellent.

Maybe you all should make the Dissensus registration process much more selective than it is, or else post a detailed mandatory FAQ for the board that includes your criteria for what is and is not acceptable.

Don Rosco
21-05-2006, 08:55 PM
Any chance of a link to the thread in question? Thanks.

gek-opel
21-05-2006, 08:58 PM
http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=3845

bruno
21-05-2006, 09:07 PM
i agree with part of what you've said, k-punk, except where you single out individual posters, that was low. considering that when you did engage with the board it was in a chummy, closed-circle way that virtually excluded anyone else from participating (not very philosphical), perhaps you should do the inverse exercise and see what it is that you did that contributed to 'dissensus being shit'.

i've made my fair contribution to it (being shit). in my case i have never cut my teeth on a board or indeed have written much in english, or written at all before this, so it's a personal challenge to slowly hone down my thoughts, refine my vocabulary and revise my very muddy personal history in the process. this concerns no one but myself but all i ask for is a bit of polite engagement, people willing to 'help a cripple' as it were, as well as nastiness and caustic opinion, and lunacy, all of which i think are healthy. so let's un-ban everyone and k-punk, why don't you join in instead of wasting your energy on this drivel?

Don Rosco
22-05-2006, 01:31 AM
http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=3845

I know i'm a n00b here, but that shit is way out of line. Doesn't matter how 'committed counter-commonsensical' his positions were, or anything else.

Droid, a 'Twisted Scumbag'? It would be laughable, if it wasn't delivered with such malice.

polystyle desu
22-05-2006, 03:27 AM
P's explosive rage shown on these threads , esp. towards the end and the last one to Woebot
man you could feel the spit flying
They were easily the most blindly angry posts i've read on any Board , ever.
A real high point ...

Grievous Angel
22-05-2006, 10:08 AM
Oh dear. I think Mark is having a go at me - a dope smoking dad who likes niceness. Even if it's not aimed directly at me, it's such a scatter gun approach that it might as well be. Oh well. FWIW, I don't agree with either Mark's premises or his conclusions. I think that Dissensus is in terrific form right now.

AFAICT, the banning of Luka and the banning of Luka aren't equivalent since Luka asked Matt to ban him. I may be unaware of other machinations since I'm not a mod. But it sounds like a case of "Ask, and thou shalt receive". I didn't realise that Padraig had been banned but I thought his posts were getting a bit hysterical; I'm not surprised he went over the line and started attacking people. I don't think that's what Dissensus is about, or should be about; I doubt Mark thinks that either, given his experience with the comments boxes in his blog.

However, Mark kinda seems to be suggesting that it's OK for people to attack each other on Dissensus. To suggest Padraig was not doing so strains credibility. I think it's worth quoting Matt's original manifesto for Dissensus; I feel that Mark's suggestion that Niceness is evil and is making Dissensus shit does not accord with the board's founding principles:

"Absolutely everyone is welcome to go there, and I mean EVERYONE, with the caveat that if people don't treat others with a certain amount of respect they will be unceremoniously struck off the register; the software's ability to trace people's IP addresses will mean they'll be unable to sidle in with another avatar. If there's anything I'm dreading it's this. Hopefully the thing will run peaceably by itself and I wont have to bother playing god, cos it's not about me."

zhao
22-05-2006, 08:48 PM
k-punk is of course right.

Dissensus should be solely used by miserable, mean-spirited bloggers with too much free time to spew forth pseudo-everything monologues at absurd lengths about their obsessions, under the delusion that they are facilitating the "paradigm shift", rather than the closer-to-truth of masturbating in self aggrandizing/congratulatory fashion in an online forum; desperately trying to compensate for their otherwise feeble existence in the world, and putting other people down to make themselves feel better - kindergarten bullies on a virtual play-ground.

and the other, more casual users of the board? those who are content to shoot the proverbial shit, share some information and trade a few jokes; those who choose not to devote the majority of their life's energies to rigorously and endlessly go on about gravely serious matters such as Hauntology or Dubstep?

well clearly they should all be banned.

foret
22-05-2006, 09:31 PM
hmm i pretty much agree with k-punk and confucius
did anyone read omm yesterday? the girl on the front was fit, almost glibidinizingly so

the undisputed truth
22-05-2006, 09:40 PM
heh I been banned for less...

...you're right though some people take this net shit far too seriously. For instance http://gutterbreakz.blogspot.com/

seems Gutter took it upon himself to release hi bit mp3s of older dubstep tunes by the big players without asking them first and when pulled up on it at dubstepforum

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=54006#54006 took his blog down...

...talk about taking your bat and ball and going home just cos you struck out once :confused:

bassnation
22-05-2006, 10:16 PM
heh I been banned for less...

...you're right though some people take this net shit far too seriously. For instance http://gutterbreakz.blogspot.com/

seems Gutter took it upon himself to release hi bit mp3s of older dubstep tunes by the big players without asking them first and when pulled up on it at dubstepforum

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=54006#54006 took his blog down...

...talk about taking your bat and ball and going home just cos you struck out once :confused:

i found that to be utterly mean-spirited and more than a little short sighted.

people like envoy don't deserve gutta pushing their sound, if this pettiness is anything to go by. i sincerely hope his blog returns, but whatever nick does in the future, hes got my support for one.

Ness Rowlah
23-05-2006, 12:14 AM
i found that to be utterly mean-spirited and more than a little short sighted.

people like envoy don't deserve gutta pushing their sound, if this pettiness is anything to go by. i sincerely hope his blog returns, but whatever nick does in the future, hes got my support for one.

Not Hell_SD's posting well? It's neutral and family friendly and all is it not? I guess Gutter is pissed off and nursing his wounds, before hopefully bouncing back. Then again Gutter is a dad - so maybe he's just finding the whole internet a bit dad unfriendly at the mo and got better things to do than take shit on an internet forum?

As for posting MP3s and asking for permission. This is just plain impossible in most cases. People simply do not reply to these requests and it's totally unrealistic to expect a reply. I've pointed to around to 150 or so free legal MP3s (ie tracks available on record label sites) over the last year and the single bad response received was from the grime/dubstep scene in the UK (a bit like what started this thread - a nasty "I am watching you" kind of email. This after I emailed the person in question two months before and never got a reply. It was not Kode 9). So asking for permission just doesn't work. I'm still ambivalent if whether posting complete MP3s is right or not. But if the stuff is obsolete it's probably more right. And even artists run MP3 blogs - ie Sweet Billy Pilgrim.

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Expletive cagefights are acceptable (as in Padraig's use of cartoons) to me as long as they don't get into the "We know where you live" kind of shit. Dad or not dad, mom or not mum, slippers or no slippers, pipe of any sort or not, degree in philosophy or not - Padraig went over the line when he did that.

As for the quality on here, K. It varies and I am sure I am one of your targets (as is every single liberal dad on here now - well done). I can live with that - but I think the board is in rude health, even if we sometimes stray into new-NME territory. But to me that's exactly what a board/mailing list should also be. Informal and sometimes off the cuff.

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I got a mental picture of P and K down the pub whinging about the state of affairs
on dissensus as the source off this whole thread.

If the banned gentlemen want to come back I am all for it.

foret
23-05-2006, 05:36 AM
there was a tone of self aggrandising wantonly inane dismissiveness in some of the early replies to padraig*, which was pretty shitty, and i can understand why it would have set him on edge. this isn't to excuse his emetic lunatic diatribes thereafter (though we might forgive the wounded smugness), i just hope that a similarly witty and ardent hypothetical poster wouldn't be dismayed by the condescension and just fuck off.


* i had an earlier (lurker) account before this, and i lost the password :x lest anyone get suspicious

bassnation
23-05-2006, 07:59 AM
there was a tone of self aggrandising wantonly inane dismissiveness in some of the early replies to padraig*, which was pretty shitty, and i can understand why it would have set him on edge. this isn't to excuse his emetic lunatic diatribes thereafter (though we might forgive the wounded smugness), i just hope that a similarly witty and ardent hypothetical poster wouldn't be dismayed by the condescension and just fuck off.


* i had an earlier (lurker) account before this, and i lost the password :x lest anyone get suspicious

you people really are something. the board has just lost droid in all of this, a poster every bit as thoughtful and interesting as padraig but minus the ludicrous egotism, paranioa and abuse and no-one even squeaks. its events like this that make me fear for the board, not idiots flaming people and then being violently ejected.

IdleRich
23-05-2006, 08:10 AM
"the board has just lost droid in all of this"
I sincerely hope that that's not true because Droyd is one of the best posters on a variety of subjects, both in terms of opinions and the way he expresses them and is willing to debate their pros and cons. That would be a real shame.

foret
23-05-2006, 08:10 AM
ffs i didn't gloss over padraig's being a twat, simply that before he went postal there was an undercurrent of sneery dismissiveness towards his posts that does validate what kpunk is saying

nothing in droid's post suggests they have left anyway?

D84
23-05-2006, 08:38 AM
I just noticed this thread.

Re the weed discussion I thought it was very interesting and stimulating Padraig's posts, baseless hyperbole and all. I think there was a space between the two sides of the argument which was being filled by the posts in an interesting way. It's a pity you didn't join in Mark.

I apologise if I appeared dismissive etc at the beginning of it but please understand I am a pretty constipated writer and I try to compress or elide a little too much. I am happy to unpack any of my arguments at anyone's request.

Re the revolution discussion, which I hope will be resurrected someday because that is an important topic, I just found the whole tone a little too combatitive. It is one thing to be intimidating, which requires others to do some thinking or homework before posting, and being nasty which is totally unnecessary - on top of not thinking, doing homework, engaging with other people's arguments at all, etc etc. And yeah I can see how Luka was baiting him, but if he has been on the internet for so long he should know not to take the bait already, right?

Sticks and stones etc...

And yes, niceness is indeed evil... that's why it's the shop assistant's best friend ;)
(eg. b/c it's always a surprise to nasty customers when it disappears)

bassnation
23-05-2006, 09:14 AM
ffs i didn't gloss over padraig's being a twat, simply that before he went postal there was an undercurrent of sneery dismissiveness towards his posts that does validate what kpunk is saying

nothing in droid's post suggests they have left anyway?

padraig was not dismissed until he abused people who agreed with him. he had plenty of chances. this is my absolute last word on this becauses its getting old now, and i'm still pretty angry about some of the recent events and attitudes on this forum. its taking up mental energy that would be better spent on more productive enterprises.

i am being unfair on droid leaving though, he alluded to it in his post and he told me via pm. sorry about that, you couldn't have known. i completely understand his reasons for doing so, although i hope he changes his mind.

Grievous Angel
23-05-2006, 09:28 AM
I hope droid returns.

I'm sad that Gutta has taken down his blog and look forward to its return. I am dismayed but not surprised by HSD's casual spite.

I anticipate Dissensus returning to its usual friendliness.

jenks
23-05-2006, 09:34 AM
Very sad to hear that Droid won't be around - I thought he handled the whole affair with much dignity.

Omaar
23-05-2006, 09:57 AM
Intimidating in that it demanded something of you, made you want to be more than what you were, made you want to be worthy of it. ILM is intimidating. My problem with ILM is, again, not antagonism, but smugness - the one-liner, one-upmanship culture of getting one over on someone else with no deeper project.

Could you clarify whether the former is what you think Padraig was doing here?

Because for me his responses seem to epitomise (after he snapped) the latter - 'smugness - the one-liner, one-upmanship culture of getting one over on someone else with no deeper project.'

It seems to me that this whole thing blew up when he was challenged on this smugness by Droid, myself and others, and reacted in an increasingly bizarre and agressive manner - on a couple of the threads on Iran ( especially towards ambrose) and in the thread on destroying capitalism.

Quoting Droid and dissing him on another forum was pretty low too.

http://irishantiwar.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0002m5&topic_id=1&topic=Irish%20Anti%2dWar


there was a tone of self aggrandising wantonly inane dismissiveness in some of the early replies to padraig

I don't think that is true at all - I certainly never saw any of it. I'd certainly argue for the opposite though.

Had Droid left then - that's a shame, I've found many of his posts very informative and interesting.

I guess we all have different ideas about what this forum should be and how people should behave in it. These events have made me wonder about this alot.

Rambler
23-05-2006, 10:09 AM
Very sad to hear that Droid won't be around - I thought he handled the whole affair with much dignity.

Agreed.

Ditto Gutter. I'll miss his writing and his enthusiasm, but a large part of me hopes he holds his nerve and doesn't restart Gutterbreakz, or at least not with its former dubstep focus. If oh-so-precious scenesters want to tell him how to conduct his own business, then see how they manage without him, I say.

the undisputed truth
23-05-2006, 01:10 PM
I'm sad that Gutta has taken down his blog and look forward to its return. I am dismayed but not surprised by HSD's casual spite.

.

casual yeah, spite nah...

...couldn't give 2 shits either way

I'll miss gutters blog as much as the next man but life in the real world grinds on...

...pretty stupid effort all round I'd say

mean spirited and short sighted, you reckon bassnation ???

I say welcome to the internet man, where the fuck you been ???

...as for luke envoy the guy seems like a total dickrider and mostly responsible for getting me banned from dubstepforum, a waste of space as a moderator there if you ask me... :)

makes a mean tune though, totally sounding like flavour of the month stuff but i wonder how far that'll get him before he gets chewed out...

bassnation
23-05-2006, 01:17 PM
mean spirited and short sighted, you reckon bassnation ???

I say welcome to the internet man, where the fuck you been ???

just because you can't expect to realistically change the world, doesn't mean you should give up the fight.

the undisputed truth
23-05-2006, 01:39 PM
I'm fully changing the world...

...retuning it, one beat at a time

I'm also not giving up anything, if anyones given up it's gutter and I think that's pretty weak...

...as for the fight I'm making my own rules to suit, that way I can't lose

it's all about the art, not the fame or the bullshit...

...some things you just gotta let run their course and give em a bit of a hurry up

in order to create something truly beautiful you have to destroy something else...

...I always used to think when it came right down to it I really don't give a fuck then I realised it's cos I give too much of one

but that's another story...

noel emits
23-05-2006, 01:47 PM
...I always used to think when it came right down to it I really don't give a fuck then I realised it's cos I give too much of one

Heheh. That's beautiful man ;)

the undisputed truth
23-05-2006, 01:53 PM
Fellas, I'm ready to get up and do my thing (yeah go ahead!)
I wanta get into it, man, you know (go ahead!)
Like a, like a sex machine, man, (yeah go ahead!)
Movin' and doin' it, you know
Can I count it off? (Go ahead)

One, two, three, four!

Get up, (get on up)
Get up, (get on up)
Stay on the scene, (get on up), like a sex machine, (get on up)

noel emits
23-05-2006, 03:20 PM
That man just spontaneously broke into song!

Is this Dissensus the musical?

bassnation
23-05-2006, 03:29 PM
That man just spontaneously broke into song!

Is this Dissensus the musical?

maybe filmed in the style of west side story ;)

popists against rockists? dads against academics? running street battles and huge show pieces?

the possibilities are endless.

stelfox
24-05-2006, 05:40 PM
i'd not seen this thread until now, but i'm not going to post here any more now.

Grievous Angel
24-05-2006, 07:58 PM
i'd not seen this thread until now, but i'm not going to post here any more now.
Actually, this good be a good time to stick around ;)

stelfox
24-05-2006, 08:32 PM
i don't think so, to be honest. i don't associate with people who look down on me or anyone else. the initial post here is one of the most disgusting things i have seen in a long time and i'm really not impressed. i can take batshit worldviews, i can take confrontation (and dish it out too) but i can't take this kind of self-absorbed elitist bullshit. that is exactly the kind of stuff that makes this board intimidating to people who, believe it or not, although they may not be bang up on their deleuze or badiou (neither of whom i give a flying toss about by the way), might have the odd intersting thing to say and be worth listening to. this intellectual fascism has been a problem for a long time, but this is the most repellent example i've seen so far and it leaves a really bitter taste.

Grievous Angel
24-05-2006, 08:54 PM
I agree. But I assume he's going to fuck off now. Why would he want to stick around if he thinks the board is shit, and all we nice people are "evil"?

:)

Anyway, if you are going, drop us a mail...

bassnation
24-05-2006, 09:23 PM
i don't think so, to be honest. i don't associate with people who look down on me or anyone else. the initial post here is one of the most disgusting things i have seen in a long time and i'm really not impressed. i can take batshit worldviews, i can take confrontation (and dish it out too) but i can't take this kind of self-absorbed elitist bullshit. that is exactly the kind of stuff that makes this board intimidating to people who, believe it or not, although they may not be bang up on their deleuze or badiou (neither of whom i give a flying toss about by the way), might have the odd intersting thing to say and be worth listening to. this intellectual fascism has been a problem for a long time, but this is the most repellent example i've seen so far and it leaves a really bitter taste.

yes, it does leave a bitter taste. a lot of that was directed at me, for some reason. i felt a bit shellshocked after reading that first post.

but i'm not prepared to let people like mark make me feel small. surely the point of having knowledge is to share, not to use it as a tool to humiliate. i have learnt many things over the years on forums talking to people who know their stuff - but i always got the feeling with certain discussions here that you had to come to the party speaking the right language, having read the right authors and having the right politics. i just can't be that person and i am not willing to feel ashamed about that.

i don't think you should go - the forum needs people like you.

the undisputed truth
24-05-2006, 09:36 PM
my advice is never let the fuckers grind you down...

...ya gotta have an air of unfuckwithability

stay up, stay on the scene...like a sex machine ;)

Troy
24-05-2006, 09:55 PM
No need to let Mark make you feel small, Bassnation. From what I've read he just comes up with weird ideas and then spews them as fact. And don't worry if you haven't studied Deleuze or, um, I forget the other one, but anyway you can learn a lot from Wikipedia.

And besides, any Dadaist worth his salt would crush Mark in any intellectual debate, even if said Dadaist was higher than the sun and trying to breast-feed his two kids.

Nick Gutterbreakz
24-05-2006, 10:18 PM
heh I been banned for less...

...you're right though some people take this net shit far too seriously. For instance http://gutterbreakz.blogspot.com/

seems Gutter took it upon himself to release hi bit mp3s of older dubstep tunes by the big players without asking them first and when pulled up on it at dubstepforum

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=54006#54006 took his blog down...

...talk about taking your bat and ball and going home just cos you struck out once :confused:

You just couldn't resist bringing it up here as well, could you? The reason why I'm leaving this whole forum 'community' thing behind is so I don't have to read any more crap from shit-stirring bastards like you, d'mugga. Its bad for my brain. its demotivating. its just plain depressing. feel free to reply with more of your 'caustic wit'...I won't be checking back.

bruno
24-05-2006, 11:23 PM
let's keep the tone polite, no need to insult anyone.

the undisputed truth
24-05-2006, 11:44 PM
You just couldn't resist bringing it up here as well, could you? The reason why I'm leaving this whole forum 'community' thing behind is so I don't have to read any more crap from shit-stirring bastards like you, d'mugga. Its bad for my brain. its demotivating. its just plain depressing. feel free to reply with more of your 'caustic wit'...I won't be checking back.

softcock bitch, you need to harden up mate...

...you know you fucked up and I'm supposed to feel sorry for you cos you threw your toys outta the playpen when snapped ???

you're a fucking joke grow up and fuck off then...

...lesson learnt, next

oh and you'll be lurking round for sure reading this and obsessing about it but ultimately powerless to do anything about it or you can always hypocritize yourself...

...gutterbreakz more like gutlessbreakz

AAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDD ... :D

tryptych
24-05-2006, 11:47 PM
^ There's just no need for that...

Although I can't agree with really anything Mark said in his original post (and I think it's pretty low and disappointing to have a go at Bassnation and Confucious) it just seems such a shame that for various reasons, it looks like we've lost Droid, Luka, Padraig, Gutta, K-punk, Eden...

:(

adruu
25-05-2006, 12:41 AM
wtf? hell_sd you are retarded and you suck.

i think it might be a seasonal thing, but message boards can really become huge mental toilets. sometimes its time to move on and refresh. ez...

bassnation
25-05-2006, 07:14 AM
let's keep the tone polite, no need to insult anyone.

agreed, i think this thread should be locked now.

john eden
25-05-2006, 07:16 AM
As an ex- UK-Dance poster who thinks niceness is overrated on the one hand and a Dad who enjoys the occasional toke on the other hand I am a bit confused as to where I fit in with all this.

But I think it would be good if:

a) Mark could return to the thread and respond to some of the comments made here by Droid in terms of Padraig's behaviour. And any other points which take his fancy, come to think of it.

b) Everyone else could roll up a fat one and have a good hard fuck before ramping up the posturing. Violently disagree with each other by all means, but this bullshit playground name-calling is a road to nowhere.

And can everyone stop flouncing off as well? :D

bassnation
25-05-2006, 07:25 AM
As an ex- UK-Dance poster who thinks niceness is overrated on the one hand and a Dad who enjoys the occasional toke on the other hand I am a bit confused as to where I fit in with all this.


good to see you back here john, hope typing that did not fuck up your hands too much - how are you doing anyway?

"niceness is overratted" - this, from the man who can nice up any forum with his good humour and infinite patience? :)

great mix, btw - like the voiceovers too!

mms
25-05-2006, 08:02 AM
softcock bitch, you need to harden up mate...

...you know you fucked up and I'm supposed to feel sorry for you cos you threw your toys outta the playpen when snapped ???

you're a fucking joke grow up and fuck off then...

...lesson learnt, next

oh and you'll be lurking round for sure reading this and obsessing about it but ultimately powerless to do anything about it or you can always hypocritize yourself...

...gutterbreakz more like gutlessbreakz

AAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDD ... :D


hell sd that's no funny at all, totally uncalled for and totally brutal.
i think you should amend that response as i'm sure you will look back with shame very soon at the way you have reacted , also you've killed this thread and generally soured the tone completley, don't let one of the initial arguements of this thread become self evident.

all this can be resolved,when you amend your response with some thought, then i will delete this post too.

3underscore
25-05-2006, 08:35 AM
I agree, mms. It's pretty easy to round up against people trying to do their best to assist something when you yourself do nothing other than act out of self interest. Hell SD - if you want to be in a position to lay into someone like that (which under any circumstances is out of order as far as I am concerned), you should at least have an idea of how much work someone has put into assisting a scene or whatever for a length of time. One mistake, which on confrontation was immediately conceeded and corrected as best as possible, and you will not let go.

More, you come out with some petty, childish namecalling which will never be anything more as you are in NZ. Just not necessary, and pretty much the same thing as what has got Padraig banned - purely because you aren't engaging your brain.

Anyway, I never get involved in any of these fights. I wonder if I am missing something.

mms - you smell. I can smell you from here, and it isn't nice.

IdleRich
25-05-2006, 08:48 AM
"Mark could return to the thread and respond to some of the comments made here by Droid in terms of Padraig's behaviour"
Agreed. K-Punk made the orginal post a few days ago and pretty much everyone has responded. Why not continue the dialogue?

Woebot
25-05-2006, 09:56 AM
hell sd that's no funny at all, totally uncalled for and totally brutal.
i think you should amend that response as i'm sure you will look back with shame very soon at the way you have reacted , also you've killed this thread and generally soured the tone completley, don't let one of the initial arguements of this thread become self evident.

all this can be resolved,when you amend your response with some thought, then i will delete this post too.

no reply from him so he can cool off for a month.