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ether
09-11-2007, 04:06 PM
Having Joined up through sheer inquisitiveness, to find about what its all about, my suspicions have been confirmed, that pretty much anyone from the past I wanted to get in touch with is either a cave dwelling Luddite or Probably a member of some Waco style cult, therefore not having access to the internet.

The warning bell marked 'preening careerist narcissism' has been flashing ever since. The whole thing seems to be a dark social experiment, why would I want to 'catch up' with someone from School days who wouldn't have mustered a thimble full of piss if i where on fire, then, let a lone now.

This really is Friendship on the most lazy superficial level.

I don't like the way you cant look at peoples profiles unless your a member, or added to their friends. you cant use html in comments, the whole thing seems to be a restrictive elitist closed network.

Then again it was created by a bunch of Harvard students.

I rest my case.

nomadologist
09-11-2007, 04:10 PM
It's weird everyone's on Facebook *now*. I joined at least 2-3 years ago, and it was hopping with everyone who thought they were too cool for Myspace, but then it just got boring and I stopped updating.

Just went on again for the first time in at least a year and found about a million friend requests from all sorts of people, including ex-coworkers. That's reason enough not to use it, imo.

Guybrush
09-11-2007, 04:11 PM
Just create an account using some pen name. Simple as that. I have two. :D

gek-opel
09-11-2007, 04:30 PM
Just create an account using some pen name. Simple as that. I have two. :D

I presume you've all read this brilliant bit of comic writing by Martin (of this parish) on the darkside of facebook...

http://seagullscreamingkillherkillher.blogspot.com/2007/10/friend-catcher.html

baboon2004
09-11-2007, 04:54 PM
My friend created an account as a fictional character from an Altman movie. He has about 20 friends, and men who are asking him out for a drink....

Gavin
09-11-2007, 05:57 PM
Just create an account using some pen name. Simple as that. I have two. :D

I have two profiles under my own name. They are in a relationship with each other.

Thinking about getting a third, but I'm really tired of social networking sites. I can't bear to check myspace any more; at least facebook is a little cleaner.

gek-opel
09-11-2007, 05:58 PM
What on earth is the point? To shag people you knew at school/college...?

nomadologist
09-11-2007, 06:02 PM
I have two profiles under my own name. They are in a relationship with each other.

Thinking about getting a third, but I'm really tired of social networking sites. I can't bear to check myspace any more; at least facebook is a little cleaner.

I have one for Vassar and one for New School, but the Vassar email account is long dead and I never get the notifications for anything.

I think Facebook has even douchier clubs, I keep getting invited to the dumbest shit. The advantage is that people who aren't your direct "friend" can't see your profile, but the downside is that Facebook represents "the real you" professionally and personally much more directly than Myspace does.

So it's harder to hind behind "oh it's just a joke about how many days I went without sleeping on speed in that comment!" And your relatives can find you more easily, too.

nomadologist
09-11-2007, 06:03 PM
What on earth is the point? To shag people you knew at school/college...?

The point is for people to pose in their coolest clothes and make it look to everyone else that they have a "life"...I think.

gek-opel
09-11-2007, 06:09 PM
The eagerness with which people are willing to throw away their privacy is absolutely shocking. There's a lecturer/tutor at my mum's uni who has become obsessed with using facebook to catch his students out at lying every time they try to worm there way out of a deadline with extenuating circumstances... he managed to prove that a girl who claimed she couldn't take her finals due to "severe depression" was actually on skiing holiday with her boyfriend at the time... as she left a picture of her on holiday dated on her facebook...

nomadologist
09-11-2007, 06:14 PM
That's utterly ridiculous. Why and how could an educated person assume that going skiing precludes severe depression? It could have been a doctor's recommendation that she get some R&R and forego more stressful activities like exams.

I'm serious when I say this!

nomadologist
09-11-2007, 06:15 PM
Btw Gavin I'm going to add you on Myspace, you better accept me! I took all the bad info off when all my little cousins found me, so it should be radio-edit enough not to be offensive.

I promise I won't write bulletins or get hacked and and put pictures of Coach bags in your comments every few hours.

noel emits
09-11-2007, 06:17 PM
That's utterly ridiculous. Why and how could an educated person assume that going skiing precludes severe depression? It could have been a doctor's recommendation that she get some R&R and forego more stressful activities like exams.

I'm serious when I say this!
Even if you' not depressed it's going to be a bit tricky to sit exams while you are whizzing down a mountain. ;)

I've been trying to delete my myspace profile but the wretched thing won't go away. :mad:

Gavin
09-11-2007, 06:26 PM
The eagerness with which people are willing to throw away their privacy is absolutely shocking. There's a lecturer/tutor at my mum's uni who has become obsessed with using facebook to catch his students out at lying every time they try to worm there way out of a deadline with extenuating circumstances... he managed to prove that a girl who claimed she couldn't take her finals due to "severe depression" was actually on skiing holiday with her boyfriend at the time... as she left a picture of her on holiday dated on her facebook...

My prediction for the future: Facebook+Google+Monster.com+amazon where you will be compelled to sacrifice all yr privacy if you want friends/jobs/products... everyone will know everything you buy (people already offer this information voluntarily now), your qualifications, probably where you are at any moment (your "status").

I picture the ghost of Foucault masturbating furiously.

Gavin
09-11-2007, 06:27 PM
Btw Gavin I'm going to add you on Myspace, you better accept me! I took all the bad info off when all my little cousins found me, so it should be radio-edit enough not to be offensive.

I promise I won't write bulletins or get hacked and and put pictures of Coach bags in your comments every few hours.

I prefer free ipods and bigger dick pills

nomadologist
09-11-2007, 06:28 PM
I didn't go on it for about 6 months and then there was enough new stuff to look at that I could kinda get into it.

nomadologist
09-11-2007, 06:31 PM
You can always tell which of your friends were idiots enough to click on these bogus comments, because then they get hacked by the bot and start posting em.

I have been pretty surprised by some of the people who get outed as retards this way.

nomadologist
09-11-2007, 06:32 PM
My prediction for the future: Facebook+Google+Monster.com+amazon where you will be compelled to sacrifice all yr privacy if you want friends/jobs/products... everyone will know everything you buy (people already offer this information voluntarily now), your qualifications, probably where you are at any moment (your "status").

I picture the ghost of Foucault masturbating furiously.

Roffle. There's already a YouTube/Google connection...

I love being "friends" with random dead philosophers--your myspace reminds me that I need to fix mine so I have more than a "top 8"...

Gavin
09-11-2007, 06:45 PM
Yah, add YouTube and blogs and webmail to the list of the future internet portal gesamkunstwerk.

That's the contest for the internet, right? Have all the features on one portal so viewers never leave -- your company gets all their valuable clickthroughs and eyeball labor. Of course "features" =/= "information" which used to be what it was all about...

Gavin
09-11-2007, 06:46 PM
I love being "friends" with random dead philosophers--your myspace reminds me that I need to fix mine so I have more than a "top 8"...

I am actually embarrassed about those (it's like wearing a pin of yr favorite theorist on yr messenger bag), but it's a decent solution to the tricky politics of ranking real friends.

nomadologist
09-11-2007, 06:48 PM
Myspace has been scarily bad with creating adspace, I think--I never notice their featured stuff. The basic interface is so damn ugly, too.

I should make a big signature for my avatar here that has color writing plus links to myspace, a blog, and a bunch of tracks. Maybe some pornographic pic like Guybrush's. And a Goomba-esque BOOMING QUOTE FROM AN INSIDE JOKE WITH MY FRIENDS!

nomadologist
09-11-2007, 06:49 PM
I am actually embarrassed about those (it's like wearing a pin of yr favorite theorist on yr messenger bag), but it's a decent solution to the tricky politics of ranking real friends.

Bingo.

I don't even know who 10% of my "friends" are, I think some of them are random musicianbots who I added because I thought they were bad enough to be amusing.

Gavin
09-11-2007, 06:53 PM
future internet portal gesamkunstwerk.


Oh, add web-based apps, like video editing, music programming, drawing moustaches on politicians, etc.

Any tech people care to share predictions on the future of the internetz?

turtles
09-11-2007, 06:58 PM
Yah, add YouTube and blogs and webmail to the list of the future internet portal gesamkunstwerk.

That's the contest for the internet, right? Have all the features on one portal so viewers never leave -- your company gets all their valuable clickthroughs and eyeball labor. Of course "features" =/= "information" which used to be what it was all about...
You forgot the most important thing, that this will all be streamed on to your web-enabled GPS smartphone, so you can get context-aware, individualized adds for the McDonalds you just walked by giving you a deal on a combo-meal designed to particularly fill the caloric intake you need to make up for the distance you just walked from work-to-home. (Seriously, I saw a business pitch for "context-aware sms-advertising" basically texting people adds based on their location...i wanted to punch that guy in the face).

ps. facebook blows, i avoid that shit like the plague.

nomadologist
09-11-2007, 07:09 PM
people who listen to mp3s on phones make me want to punch them in the face, too

ether
09-11-2007, 08:46 PM
I was arguing with a web developer friend a while back about myspace, his issue was that myspace was so ugly looking and badly designed, my point was its fairly socially democratic as a consequence, everyone has the same tools to play with, a ropey looking web page with limited editing features, a shoddy mp3 player etc.

turtles
09-11-2007, 08:53 PM
I remember now what I really hate about facebook is not facebook itself but people having conversations about what they and they're friends have been up to on facebook. stories about what your friends have been up to tend to be tedious enough, but stories about what they've been up to on facebook? Arrrrgg, I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU WROTE ON YOUR FRIEND'S WALL!!! SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!

Gavin
09-11-2007, 09:02 PM
I was arguing with a web developer friend a while back about myspace, his issue was that myspace was so ugly looking and badly designed, my point was its fairly socially democratic as a consequence, everyone has the same tools to play with, a ropey looking web page with limited editing features, a shoddy mp3 player etc.

Surely this exemplifies the worst qualities of social democracy: while everyone makes do with the same shitty toys, invisible ruler-managers control and profit, using a kindly photogenic proxy official (Tom) to deliver updates sandwiched between narcissistic self-surveys and ads for mixtapes.

dominic
09-11-2007, 09:22 PM
i was addicted to myspace two or three years ago -- quite alarming really that i could so easily succumb

now i just check it for the odd personal note and to check bulletins of bands/musicians/promoters whose events i might want to go to -- or at least to keep tabs on them (if bored)

but i see absolutely no reason to go on to facebook

myspace appealed to me, originally, because of the whole music/band angle -- i.e., most of my socializing revolves around music and bars, so it seemed like a natural extension

whereas facebook seems geared more toward school and career networking -- not that i've ever taken the time to visit the website, so don't actually know

but i think that my participation on one social networking site is more than enough

Mr. Tea
10-11-2007, 05:24 PM
That's utterly ridiculous. Why and how could an educated person assume that going skiing precludes severe depression? It could have been a doctor's recommendation that she get some R&R and forego more stressful activities like exams.

I'm serious when I say this!

I heavily doubt this, given that people with severe depression typically struggle to muster the energy and courage to walk to the shops and back, never mind go on a skiing holiday.

nomadologist
10-11-2007, 10:15 PM
Do you think I need to be told what severely depressed people can and can't do? Often doctors recommend trying to do things like go skiing.

You're funny.

Mr. Tea
11-11-2007, 02:00 PM
Do you think I need to be told what severely depressed people can and can't do?

Sorry, I forgot I was talking to Dissensus' Officially Most Fucked-Up Person(tm).

nomadologist
11-11-2007, 02:32 PM
Mr. Tea, have you ever been to a doctor for depression? It would NOT AT ALL be out of the ordinary for them to suggest physical activity and a break from stressful ones like school.

FFS. You're such a moron, it's absurd.

Mr. Tea
11-11-2007, 03:24 PM
I know people who've had it and I know one of the commonest symptoms is extreme lassitude and apathy. So the doctor can suggest whatever he wants, it doesn't mean the patient is going to have the energy to do it. Perhaps it was a therapy-holiday, in which case the girl in question would have been wise to tell her tutors she was going away on a break as part of treatment for depression. It's not difficult to see how it could interpreted as a case of bunking off, right?

nomadologist
11-11-2007, 03:30 PM
No, of course it could be interpreted as fucking around and not doing your work, but it neednt be.

I've been suicidally depressed before and eventually forced myself to get up and do things. It can happen. Not easy, but it can happen.

baboon2004
12-11-2007, 02:39 PM
Mr. Tea, have you ever been to a doctor for depression? It would NOT AT ALL be out of the ordinary for them to suggest physical activity and a break from stressful ones like school.

FFS. You're such a moron, it's absurd.

In cases of genuinely severe depression, physical activity of any kind can be a near impossibility. I think you need to distinguish between depression as a result of life circumstances (ie where anyone would be depressed, and the depression itself is not the major problem), and 'pure' depression with no visible external reasons.

Mr. Tea
14-11-2007, 03:14 PM
Now THIS is a good Facebook bust:
http://www.2oceansvibe.com/facebook-fairy.htm

nomadologist
14-11-2007, 05:43 PM
In cases of genuinely severe depression, physical activity of any kind can be a near impossibility. I think you need to distinguish between depression as a result of life circumstances (ie where anyone would be depressed, and the depression itself is not the major problem), and 'pure' depression with no visible external reasons.

Sure, I know lots about this distinction, used to work for one of the top researchers on depression in the world. If you google Paul Greengard "p11" youll find some pretty fascinating articles.

There are more than just the two kinds of depression you mention, and many of them are related and/or can create a vicious cycle that makes it nighunta impossible to do things. I have bipolar disorder so I get the sort of depression that is physical, where it feels like you were hit by a truck of unhappiness, pain, irritability, suicidal ideation, and anhedonia.

Slothrop
14-11-2007, 07:59 PM
On topic...

whereas facebook seems geared more toward school and career networking -- not that i've ever taken the time to visit the website, so don't actually know
I've found it pretty handy for keeping in touch with people I did undergrad with - there are quite a lot of people who it's nice to see for a drink and a chat if I'm ever in the same town as them, and looking at their Facebook profile is a lot less faff than trying to maintain an up to date address book with everyone's location and contact details. I've not noticed much career networking, but then I'm terminally shit at career networking and probably wouldn't know it if it schmoozed me in the arse.

Mr. Tea
14-11-2007, 08:14 PM
People from undergrad days is one thing, it's when people from school start resurfacing that you have to wonder - it's a sort of nostalgia-infused autopsy. There's this guy I knew when we were 14/15 whom I haven't seen since, and he's now my 'Facebook friend'; he was a nice enough guy if a bit of a loser and I really wouldn't mind being in semi-contact with him but almost every week I get an invitation from him to join in some Ninja Pirate Zombie Vampire nonsense, or to test my knowledge in a HILARIOUS quiz about tacky '80s films, because he's one of those numpties that merrily clicks away whenever anything like this comes up (and, of course, sends invitation to all his Friends by default).

On a scale of unpleasantness from zero to cancer of the dick I guess this rates quite low, but still...

Slothrop
14-11-2007, 08:42 PM
People from undergrad days is one thing, it's when people from school start resurfacing that you have to wonder - it's a sort of nostalgia-infused autopsy. There's this guy I knew when we were 14/15 whom I haven't seen since, and he's now my 'Facebook friend'; he was a nice enough guy if a bit of a loser and I really wouldn't mind being in semi-contact with him but almost every week I get an invitation from him to join in some Ninja Pirate Zombie Vampire nonsense, or to test my knowledge in a HILARIOUS quiz about tacky '80s films, because he's one of those numpties that merrily clicks away whenever anything like this comes up (and, of course, sends invitation to all his Friends by default).
Ah. Most of the people I spoke to twice at school have added me (presumably to look at my profile and see what I'm up to), maybe messaged me once or twice, and then more or less disappeared again. Except one guy who keeps inviting me to join groups relating to how only Ron Paul can save us from the NWO who did 9/11 in order to cement the fiction of global warming which a) doesn't exist and b) is a good thing anyway if you're a tomato farmer in the outer Hebrides. If I could be arsed I'd set my newsfeed to ignore him, but I can't so I don't. None of my friends seem to do irrelevant apps, or if they do they've spotted that I'm not going to be interested...

swears
21-11-2007, 02:33 PM
Myspace is shit, a complete fucking mess, slow, really ugly.

Facebook is far superior. Actually going out clubbing and stuff more as a result.

IdleRich
21-11-2007, 02:58 PM
"My prediction for the future: Facebook+Google+Monster.com+amazon where you will be compelled to sacrifice all yr privacy if you want friends/jobs/products... "
One of my friends went for a job interview and was told that they had checked myspace and facebook for his site. Contrary to what you just predicted though they thought that it reflected well on him that out of all the candidates he was the only one with neither.
Think he still blew the interview mind...

Mr. Tea
21-11-2007, 03:02 PM
When I finish studying and start looking for a proper job I think I'm going to remove my tags from photos of me and then delete my profile, it's just not worth the hassle of worrying about prospective employers snooping around.

continuum
21-11-2007, 04:30 PM
You can alter privacy settings so potential employers won't be able to look at your profile.

Facebook is amazing - have got back in contact with people I haven't seen for years. Top site.

Tactics
22-11-2007, 02:08 PM
here typing about it...lol

the job s*** is scary though - so what if I'm on facebook (I'm not)?

Mr. Tea
22-11-2007, 02:44 PM
You can alter privacy settings so potential employers won't be able to look at your profile.

Facebook is amazing - have got back in contact with people I haven't seen for years. Top site.

Yeah, but the prospective employer is going to think "how bad must these photos be if he doesn't want anyone to see them?". Plus I was thinking about what Rich said about how the company thought favourably of the guy who simply didn't have a FB account.

Yes, it's great for getting/staying in contact with people - even if I do leave, I will at least have people's contact details.

ether
14-01-2008, 08:58 PM
interesting article on facebooks neocon politics .

kind of confirms my suspicions about it being used for social engineering.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook

noel emits
14-01-2008, 09:15 PM
"...Lee Ka-Shing, said to be the ninth richest man in the world..."

Ka-Shing!

swears
14-01-2008, 09:24 PM
interesting article on facebooks neocon politics .

kind of confirms my suspicions about it being used for social engineering.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook

Pro free-trade businessmen involved in big business shocker.

Gabba Flamenco Crossover
15-01-2008, 01:13 PM
I can tell you what people from my school are up to these days - having kids and getting fat. I don't need facebook to tell me that.

Generally if I lose touch with people it's for a reason.

IdleRich
16-01-2008, 12:01 PM
Hmm, just got an email from paypal saying "paypal joins facebook" - which isn't a huge surprise given that article.

tryptych
16-01-2008, 01:23 PM
interesting article on facebooks neocon politics .

kind of confirms my suspicions about it being used for social engineering.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook

On consideration, I don't think much of that article - who has to submit ID card details to facebook, for starters? Or consumer preferences, for that matter? Surely anyone who signs up to such sites is hopelessly naive if they think the data they enter isn't going to strip-mined, and if you buy things through it, then your consumer data too.

I notice they've printed a correction today:

"The following correction was printed in the Guardian's Corrections and clarifications column, Wednesday January 16 2008

The US intelligence community's enthusiasm for hi-tech innovation after 9/11 and the creation of In-Q-Tel, its venture capital fund, in 1999 were anachronistically linked in the article below. Since 9/11 happened in 2001 it could not have led to the setting up of In-Q-Tel two years earlier."

Thirdly, a close friend of mine had very unpleasent dealings with the editors of the Idler. They sounded like a right bunch of cunts.

crackerjack
16-01-2008, 01:58 PM
Thirdly, a close friend of mine had very unpleasent dealings with the editors of the Idler. They sounded like a right bunch of cunts.

That's where he's from, knew i'd seen the name before. Someone gave me his How To Be Free book for my birthday. Pile of arse. Just another chancer working his op-ed angle.

IdleRich
16-01-2008, 02:06 PM
"Thirdly, a close friend of mine had very unpleasent dealings with the editors of the Idler. They sounded like a right bunch of cunts."
Good name though...

continuum
16-01-2008, 06:19 PM
I didn't think too much of that article either although it did have some interesting points.

Tom Hodgkinson also wrote a book called 'How To Be Idle' which is pretty good although I lost interest towards the end. Still recommend it though.

Lichen
16-01-2008, 08:48 PM
It's always puzzled me how anyone purporting to be idle could get round to editing and publishing a magazine.

IdleRich
17-01-2008, 09:24 AM
Jerome K Jerome managed to write a book on the subject (although not one of his best).

poetix
17-01-2008, 09:33 PM
http://codepoetics.com/poetix/?p=499

"Facebook is not what the internet should be. It is the internet redesigned by people who want information to be owned, and specifically owned by them. It is the internet enclosed, territorialized, packaged up and sold off. The internet for dummies..."

bassnation
17-01-2008, 09:38 PM
http://codepoetics.com/poetix/?p=499

"Facebook is not what the internet should be. It is the internet redesigned by people who want information to be owned, and specifically owned by them. It is the internet enclosed, territorialized, packaged up and sold off. The internet for dummies..."

little bit overplayed imo - its a private company, people are well aware of what it is. if you don't want to use it, then don't use it. i think not being able to delete your profile sucks, but they aren't any better or worse than google, ms, or yahoo. yahoo in particular - people have been tortured and imprisoned in china because of them - don't think facebook are even in the same league are they?

gek-opel
17-01-2008, 10:14 PM
http://codepoetics.com/poetix/?p=499

"Facebook is not what the internet should be. It is the internet redesigned by people who want information to be owned, and specifically owned by them. It is the internet enclosed, territorialized, packaged up and sold off. The internet for dummies..."

OTM, and it doesn't make any less so that it is flagrantly obvious to most that Facebook was always as described here. Also there is the compulsory nature of its creep into defining the social for a broad tranche of teenagers and twenty-somethings (recall the look, somewhere between bemusement and horror, when you inform a new acquaintance that you're not actually on Facebook!) Heaven forfend that you might not want either to deliver immense amounts of data into potentially unscrupulous hands or keep up with a bunch of unremitting cunts from school who you never actually liked in the first place...

vimothy
28-01-2008, 12:22 PM
interesting article on facebooks neocon politics .

kind of confirms my suspicions about it being used for social engineering.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook

This article is pretty annoying. Whenever I read things like, "like PayPal before it, it is a social experiment, an expression of a particular kind of neoconservative libertarianism," I loose all faith in the author. A particular kind of neoconservative libertarianism?! What the fuck is he talking about? I don't think he has a clue, but I guess that's what you'd expect from the Guardian, where this particular kind of paternalistic psuedo-radicalism (geddit) is all the rage ...

"But hang on. Why on God's earth would I need a computer to connect with the people around me?" Yeah, good question Tom. Why on God's earth would you need a telephone to connect with people, since you all meet in the pub every evening for pork scratchings and face-to-face cockney communality. While we're at it, why are you bothering writing this in a national newspaper and having it broadcast over the internet, when you could just as easily tell everyone you care about what your thoughts are at 7:30 tonight in The Jellied Knacker's Bits?

"And does Facebook really connect people? Doesn't it rather disconnect us, since instead of doing something enjoyable such as talking and eating and dancing and drinking with my friends, I am merely sending them little ungrammatical notes and amusing photos in cyberspace, while chained to my desk? A friend of mine recently told me that he had spent a Saturday night at home alone on Facebook, drinking at his desk. What a gloomy image. Far from connecting us, Facebook actually isolates us at our workstations."

What a self-righteous, patronising arsehole. What a cliched, sub-Keanu Reeves analysis. Tell me what I need, Tom -- with friends like these, no wonder people end up on facebook, etc ...

tox
28-01-2008, 12:46 PM
I agree with Vimothy, the beginning of that article is absolutely ridiculous, which is a shame because it obscures some of the more interesting points about the beliefs and intentions of its backers.

Facebook provides another way to interact with one's friends, with its own advantages. No-one in their right mind stays in on Facebook on a weekend evening rather than going out, as the article suggests happens. That kind of statement makes me wonder whether the author has ever been on a social networking site as they tend not to provide synchronous communication. What they can do is let you plan your nights out without resorting to endless phone calls and texts. It also provides a way to share all those digital photos which people don't get round to printing.

The anti-facebook brigade seem to think that the site dictates the way you socialize. This is not true. Just because you use facebook doesn't mean you suddenly become vain, tagging yourself in pictures and constantly updating your profile and status. Of course some people do, but then again some people talk too loud on their mobile in public places. That's not to say mobiles make you into an inconsiderate twat. You don't have to accept friend requests from people who wouldn't talk to in real life, just add the people you want to drop a note to now and again. Similarly you don't have to put up pictures of yourself drunk on a night out, rather you can share holiday pix with friends and family. You don't even need to expose yourself to marketing. Just leave your details blank and there's not a problem.

I honestly don't think its as much of a big deal as that article makes out.

vimothy
28-01-2008, 01:44 PM
(recall the look, somewhere between bemusement and horror, when you inform a new acquaintance that you're not actually on Facebook!)

Time to move out of Shoreditch?

Sick Boy
06-03-2008, 05:25 AM
I agree with Vimothy, the beginning of that article is absolutely ridiculous, which is a shame because it obscures some of the more interesting points about the beliefs and intentions of its backers.

Facebook provides another way to interact with one's friends, with its own advantages. No-one in their right mind stays in on Facebook on a weekend evening rather than going out, as the article suggests happens. That kind of statement makes me wonder whether the author has ever been on a social networking site as they tend not to provide synchronous communication. What they can do is let you plan your nights out without resorting to endless phone calls and texts. It also provides a way to share all those digital photos which people don't get round to printing.

The anti-facebook brigade seem to think that the site dictates the way you socialize. This is not true. Just because you use facebook doesn't mean you suddenly become vain, tagging yourself in pictures and constantly updating your profile and status. Of course some people do, but then again some people talk too loud on their mobile in public places. That's not to say mobiles make you into an inconsiderate twat. You don't have to accept friend requests from people who wouldn't talk to in real life, just add the people you want to drop a note to now and again. Similarly you don't have to put up pictures of yourself drunk on a night out, rather you can share holiday pix with friends and family. You don't even need to expose yourself to marketing. Just leave your details blank and there's not a problem.

I honestly don't think its as much of a big deal as that article makes out.

I'm going to have to agree. I consistently find Facebook pretty useful on the whole.

Mr. Tea
06-03-2008, 12:53 PM
The whole "why sit at a computer when you can go out and socialise IN PERSON?!?!" argument is utterly stupid, as it implies that everyone has no job (but has enough money to be a person 'of leisure'), lives in the same postcode as all their friends, relatives and acquaintances and has nothing more pressing on their time than clubbing, dinner parties, football games, nature rambles or whatever the hell it is these wonderfully liberated anti-Facebook types spend 24 hours a day doing.

UFO over easy
06-03-2008, 03:07 PM
whatever the hell it is these wonderfully liberated anti-Facebook types spend 24 hours a day doing.

innit. the writer of that article is probably addicted to coronation street and meticulously ironing his shirts every evening

it's just another example of what I was moaning about the other week of it being really cool at the moment to come across as bitter and disillusioned with everything lots of people really enjoy. the endless quest to subvert the norm.. a lazy attempt to avoid being considered average - it's much easier to moan about normal things and normal people than it is to elevate yourself above what you perceive as average by actually doing things.

ether
06-03-2008, 04:24 PM
it would have been interesting to see what mcluhan would have made of the whole social networking phenomena.

Gavin
06-03-2008, 06:01 PM
it would have been interesting to see what mcluhan would have made of the whole social networking phenomena.

There are lots of contemporary media scholars interested in it. Henry Jenkins (http://www.henryjenkins.org/) is occasionally called "the new McLuhan," maybe because like McLuhan he prefers to use his insights to garner consultant work for corporations (so MIT rite?). He is really smart, I just wish he tried to do more with his scholarship than improve video games. Mark Andrejevic (http://www.uiowa.edu/~commstud/faculty/andrejevic/index.html) hasn't written about Facebook specifically that I know of, but he does other work with internet interactivity and surveillance -- I really recommend his book on reality tv (really about much much more) -- plenty of stuff he discusses in it applies to Facebook.

turtles
06-03-2008, 07:43 PM
My two beefs with facebook:

1. In my experience its primary use is as a really really big, really really fast gossip network. Fuck caty gossip.

2. It makes keeping up with your friends and browsing through books at amazon.com into disturbingly similar activities.

bassnation
06-03-2008, 08:04 PM
My two beefs with facebook:

1. In my experience its primary use is as a really really big, really really fast gossip network. Fuck caty gossip.

2. It makes keeping up with your friends and browsing through books at amazon.com into disturbingly similar activities.

really? i dunno about the catty gossip thing, suppose it depends on the people. if you strip out the bullshit its just a reasonable way to keep in touch with people you might not email, meet or call for long periods of time otherwise.


what i don't like is the spam aspect - i accidently marked up 20 of my mates as "most eligible single friends" even the ones who were married and stuff. oops. it makes it too easy to make a tit of yourself basically.

swears
29-05-2008, 04:16 PM
If I remove someone as a friend, it doesn't notify them, right? If they click a link to my profile, what happens? Same as if I hadn't added then in the first place?

I don't want to to be updated on every minute detail of this person's life, but I don't want to piss them off, either.

Itchy & Scratchy
29-05-2008, 06:51 PM
If I remove someone as a friend, it doesn't notify them, right? If they click a link to my profile, what happens? Same as if I hadn't added then in the first place?

I don't want to to be updated on every minute detail of this person's life, but I don't want to piss them off, either.They won't be informed that you've removed them. The first they'll ever come to noticing that you've removed them (if they notice at all) will be when they try and visit your profile and get instead a pop up asking if s/he want to be your friend. No incriminating messages will come up saying "So and so has deleted you!" :p

Failing that you can go to the preferences at the bottom of the news feed and change your options to see "fewer" stories about him/her. Dunno how well that works though.

Mr. Tea
29-05-2008, 07:01 PM
Swears, if you're worried that someone you've deleted as a Friend hasn't noticed, you can probably install an add-on that sends the ex-friend in question a bit animated FUCK OFF, YOU BORING PRICK! notice or something, just to let them know and hence avoid any confustion. And if there isn't, there should be.

bassnation
29-05-2008, 09:18 PM
Swears, if you're worried that someone you've deleted as a Friend hasn't noticed, you can probably install an add-on that sends the ex-friend in question a bit animated FUCK OFF, YOU BORING PRICK! notice or something, just to let them know and hence avoid any confustion. And if there isn't, there should be.

yeah i'm having to dump someone who sends me animated teddies and other such useless fucking fluff to my "funwall" ten times a day.

Eric
30-05-2008, 08:40 AM
facebook is useful mostly for scrabulous and other timewasting devices

but i found a friend from highschool on there that I had been wanting to contact for 10 years or so ...

Itchy & Scratchy
30-05-2008, 10:03 AM
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9141/1074lz3.gif (http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1074.html)

zhao
11-12-2008, 02:19 PM
i just joined but there is no way to make a "music" profile like on myspace??? like with tour dates and tracks and things???

empty mirror
11-12-2008, 03:50 PM
I recently joined as my large extended family (who happen to be scattered all across the USA) are all on there. I have quit several times (paranoia) but all it takes to reactivate one's account is to log in again! What keeps me on the site are the old family photos that my relatives scan in. We have, like, frequent family get togethers, and FB is good for planning all that stuff, and generally staying connected with birthdays, who just got their driver's license, who just lost their two front teeth, who is feeling under the weather, and whatnot.

My account, of course, is largely invisible to all but my kin, and my dearest friends. The privacy settings for FB are pretty amazing.

urbanite
11-12-2008, 04:10 PM
i just joined but there is no way to make a "music" profile like on myspace??? like with tour dates and tracks and things???

yeah there is... just look at the ads and pages app... it's nice because it completely separates from your personal account the music or whatever else page and gives you some basic tracking in case you're planning to promote it loads.

zhao
12-12-2008, 03:18 PM
yeah there is... just look at the ads and pages app... it's nice because it completely separates from your personal account the music or whatever else page and gives you some basic tracking in case you're planning to promote it loads.

ads? pages app? i suppose these things will reveal themselves on a closer look... thanks.

anyone know of, or have a good facebook music page? i can't even search on it, it's like a different universe.

Badga Tek
12-12-2008, 04:34 PM
I've been on for a good few years now.

For me, it works best as an emailing facility (particularly for people you don't see too often) and to keep up to date with music events, parties, etc.

In addition, I help run a club night and we do almost all the organising through a FB group. Indeed, I originally met some of the co-founders through FB (including Dissensus' very own Ben UFO). In that sense, for me its proved invaluable.

nomadthethird
12-12-2008, 10:30 PM
The design of facebook is much better than myspace, but it's harder to hide your last name. My coworkers always added me on facebook so I avoid it except for finding contact info for friends who've moved.

I know people who get their facebook alerts texted to their cellphones.

empty mirror
18-02-2009, 04:07 PM
big shitstorm regarding facebook's new terms of use
everything you post on facebook is their property
when you quit, your info stays

ripley
23-02-2009, 08:10 PM
they've backed down (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/19/2495735.htm) on their insanse TOS

eternal vigilance!

Sick Boy
27-02-2009, 05:40 PM
You know that trend of chain letters disseminated on facebook with subjects like "25 Random Things About Me" or "25 Records That Have Shaped My Life" or even worse "150 Questions Including Such Things As Who The Last Person Who Texted You Was, And What Kind of Dorito You Prefer?"

Does anyone else find that inherently creepy, and perhaps a little bit sad?

Tentative Andy
27-02-2009, 05:55 PM
Not a fan either, can never find nearly enough things to say. It amazes me how quickly some people can reel off a response to them.

Sick Boy
27-02-2009, 07:50 PM
I think if exhibiting is the name of the game someone should make up one that really gets to the crux of the matter:

1) Do you fear death?
2) Have you ever had a homosexual experience? Were you, or are you still, ashamed?
3) Do you feel like you are constantly delaying a horrifying inevitable?
4) When you look at yourself in the mirror, what do you think?
5) How long do you continue doing this for?
6) Do other people prove you exist, or prove you exist a particular way?
7) Are you that way, honestly?

In fact, at the end of writing that list, I realize how ill-advised it would be to go through with this plan because of how all too ready most people would be to participate.

Agent Nucleus
27-02-2009, 07:54 PM
"i am a sexual predator and i use facebook."

Sick Boy
27-02-2009, 08:24 PM
I met this girl on Facebook. I knew she was only 14, but she was funny and cute and sexy so I just went with it. The other day she told me she was a cop.

I thought "They let you be a cop at 14? How cool is that?!"

vimothy
02-03-2009, 05:22 PM
#30 (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:1194679739296.jpg): There are no girls on the internet.

scottdisco
02-03-2009, 05:53 PM
i note number 32 is 'You must have pictures to prove your statements'.

well Dissensus has proved the truth of that old universal during some memorable episodes!

mms
02-03-2009, 06:09 PM
i met this girl on facebook. I knew she was only 14, but she was funny and cute and sexy so i just went with it. The other day she told me she was a cop.

I thought "they let you be a cop at 14? How cool is that?!"

:d

nomadthethird
02-03-2009, 09:41 PM
I met this girl on Facebook. I knew she was only 14, but she was funny and cute and sexy so I just went with it. The other day she told me she was a cop.

I thought "They let you be a cop at 14? How cool is that?!"

It's like I always say if you can't date your age date your maturity level.

littlebird
04-03-2009, 12:29 AM
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9141/1074lz3.gif (http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1074.html)

I need one of those.

littlebird
04-03-2009, 12:31 AM
I have quit several times (paranoia) but all it takes to reactivate one's account is to log in again!

This is due to the fact that Facebook owns everything you post, and never deletes anything from their logs. This has quite a bit of a stir with artists/photographers who share their work through this particular networking site.

But yes, once you sort them out, the privacy settings are good, for what it is.

littlebird
04-03-2009, 12:33 AM
#30 (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:1194679739296.jpg): There are no girls on the internet.

ha!

vimothy
04-03-2009, 01:25 AM
;)

Agent Nucleus
04-03-2009, 05:17 AM
so everyone on the internet is a man, or one should operate under that assumption? why would anyone want to use the internet then. i guess anyone you know exclusively online should be regarded with suspicion. that's why most people prefer reality i suspect.

that ogrish group sounds like a bunch of twats. sorry.

for the /b/ fans:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090304/ap_on_re_us/sex_tape_trial


A man tracked down after a video of him sexually assaulting a 2-year-old girl was found in the Nevada desert was convicted Tuesday of that attack and another on a 6-year-old.

Chester Arthur Stiles displayed no emotion as guilty verdicts were read against him for 22 felonies, including sexual assault. He faces multiple life prison terms at sentencing, set for May 8.

Nineteen of the charges stemmed from acts Stiles videotaped of himself with the toddler in 2003. The jury viewed the graphic video Friday.

Outside the presence of the jury, Clark County District Court Judge Jennifer Togliatti called the recorded images "clearly child pornography in its most graphic form."

vimothy
04-03-2009, 01:06 PM
Is that aimed at me?

josef k.
04-03-2009, 02:04 PM
Alice Matthias had a good piece on Facebook:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/06/opinion/06mathias.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all

I sometimes wonder if Alice Matthias is Matthias Schwarz's pseudonym.

Agent Nucleus
04-03-2009, 07:42 PM
Is that aimed at me?

not aimed at anyone specifically, but someone (maybe you) linked to a site that reminds me of ogrish or rotten. it seems like if you're going to waste time with shit like that, why not just take it all the way and film yourself raping toddlers and whatnot?

vimothy
05-03-2009, 11:31 AM
Oh. Are you insane?

Agent Nucleus
05-03-2009, 09:57 PM
what makes you ask that, vimothy? is it crazy to think that people who get off on that stuff are sociopaths/losers?

vimothy
05-03-2009, 11:38 PM
I think I was a bit annoyed because you basically said that since I enjoy ogrish and rotten -- two (I assume) sites that I have never heard of -- I should film myself raping toddlers.

But then I read your nice comment at my blog and the annoyance passed. I agree that it's just a board and not worth getting too excited about. And I don't know if this is an issue, but the pretentious crap stuff is meant to be (among other things) gently self-depreciating, not an attack on you as an Eng Lit student. I am quite pretentious.

Agent Nucleus
06-03-2009, 07:11 AM
no one should film themselves raping toddlers ;)

not sure why i made the connection to ogrish, probably thinking of a different thread. there was a story on Primetime ABC about this girl (maybe 19) who was killed in a car accident, and i guess this ogrish site got a hold of the forensic photos. some of the comments those people made ("she deserved it. she was a whore" etc) were beyond appalling.

i retract everything i said about /b/. i've never visited the website. and almost all of my posts are written in a state of extreme cannabis intoxication.

vimothy
06-03-2009, 11:11 AM
Heh. I've read similar stories about /b/, TBH. Of course, such actions are reprehensible. But I don't think it's necessary to think that troll culture is a totally "good thing" to find it interesting.

john eden
18-06-2009, 06:59 PM
Can anyone explain why I am getting lots of emails about people I know adding me on Facebook, when I am not actually on Facebook myself (and have never opened an account there)?

It is confusing and weird. :confused:

Sick Boy
18-06-2009, 07:10 PM
I think if you try and add someone that doesn't have Facebook, you get a prompt asking if you'd like to email them and invite them to Facebook. I'm not sure why they wouldn't do it their bloody selves though.

john eden
18-06-2009, 07:15 PM
oh right, yeah that makes sense. I've had about a dozen in the last few days.

polystyle desu
19-06-2009, 12:01 AM
I have been hearing from quite a few people who have been getting 'join Facebook' emails.
Having joined a few weeks ago, I;ve found it -like many things - ok and useful for awhile.
Those first days on it if one happens to be looking for whatever ...

did find the last old friend from Elementary school I'd been looking for on and off,
another x classmate who I had heard gone to Paris and became a model and married John Delorean ( not true , it was a middle east prince or so )
and could be talking with one of the cats who programmed Planet Rock.

So it's been some fun, not much bother and you can adjust it to fit.

zhao
19-06-2009, 05:44 AM
it's cool for staying in connect with peeps but
absolute shit for music promotion!
i've been on myspace only a few months longer than face book
almost 3000 myspace friends
lots of good things have happened because of it
and only 5 "fans" on facebook.
there seems to be no way of getting it out there or for people to find it
i feel that page is just going to rot there for ever :(

Sick Boy
19-06-2009, 02:26 PM
It was only when I stopped using facebook that I realized how little it actually did for me. It creates this convenience that only exists in your mind after you start using it.

I never deleted my account though. I never take photos of anything, and one thing I like about Facebook is that it sits there collecting photos other people have taken. That is extremely convenient.

alex
19-06-2009, 02:50 PM
account deletion 1 hour after I made it, its just one big marketing tool

polystyle desu
19-06-2009, 03:01 PM
This week saw articles on how Facebook had caught up with Myspace in number of users, articles asking 'Are you still on Myspace ?' and Myspace scorn from FB users has been apparent in the few weeks i've been on.
But alot of music people, groups, bands are still on Myspace even with the new music player that sounds like a hassle to dl ...
One of our groups was found by Denmark indie label via Myspace , a plus in our camp.

For my part I've barely cared to post about music on FB as yes - the people there are sometimes just like the ones you left in school, at your last job or who will populate your next job.

Now if you want to send a 'Noise Gods' , '80's groups', 'post punk' album
cover or favorite label icon as 'gift' to someone - FB has it !

Plus -minus if you ask me.
But alot is like that these days.

Every time there's an 'upgrade' in these social networks ( or often Apple 's products , other software ) something else gets lost.

sufi
19-06-2009, 03:20 PM
Dear all,

Please note: I never created a facebook account for myself - I am not a facebook user. Someone apparently created my profile on facebook on my behalf. If someone knows how to erase this info on the web, please let me know. Thanks

Caros amigos,

E favor notar que eu nunca crei uma conta com Facebook. Nao utiliso Facebook. Alguem criou os meus dados por mim. Se alguem sabe come iliminar minha informacao no web e favor dizer. Obrigada.

Beijjos para todos. P

any ideas?

polystyle desu
19-06-2009, 05:36 PM
Sufi , not having tried to 'erase' false info /FB entry,
sorry but no experience with that.

bassnation
21-06-2009, 10:45 PM
oh right, yeah that makes sense. I've had about a dozen in the last few days.

it would be great if you joined. i use it for music and political discourse all the time. it depends on who your friends are, i suppose. i don't add people from my work for instance, unless i actually regard them as friends who have interesting things to say.

nomos
22-06-2009, 03:51 AM
Can anyone explain why I am getting lots of emails about people I know adding me on Facebook, when I am not actually on Facebook myself (and have never opened an account there)?

It is confusing and weird. :confused:

er, whoops. yeah, i blame gutta. i thought you already in the system when i did that :o

polystyle desu
06-07-2009, 03:07 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/world/europe/06britain.html?hp