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stormfield
15-01-2008, 11:14 PM
dear oh dear :rolleyes:

http://defamer.com/344987/the-tom-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientologists-dont-want-you-to-see?autoplay=true

heroesandvillains
15-01-2008, 11:59 PM
cackling with insanity

heroesandvillains
16-01-2008, 12:01 AM
doesn't this interview remind one a bit too much of the interview scene in Magnolia...

noel emits
16-01-2008, 12:19 AM
That was hard to watch, I had to stop. But you know, it's easy to mock. People believe all kinds of stuff. By the way there are subliminal mind control messages in those periodic flashes - if you watched the whole video you are now a sleeper drone and will be completely under their control when the appropriate stimulus is applied. That guitar loop was kind of sinister too.

mms
16-01-2008, 09:07 AM
gwad.
nuts he might as well be talking to a mirror.
The weird guitar riff thing reminded me of tainted love.

Mr. Tea
16-01-2008, 10:25 AM
That was hard to watch, I had to stop. But you know, it's easy to mock.

Exactly - that's why we do it. :D

dominic
16-01-2008, 10:43 AM
The weird guitar riff thing reminded me of tainted love.

it's the mission impossible theme!!!

Betamaxnomates
19-01-2008, 03:58 AM
His laugh is the most horrifically joyless sound I've ever heard.

swears
19-01-2008, 04:54 PM
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing — they believe in anything."

G.K. Chesterton

zhao
19-01-2008, 06:30 PM
so apparently Germany had successfully implemented a complete ban of scientology but the scientologists won some kind of court case and now it's kind of a tie that can still go either way...

good for the germans.

crackerjack
19-01-2008, 06:36 PM
so apparently Germany had successfully implemented a complete ban of scientology but the scientologists won some kind of court case and now it's kind of a tie that can still go either way...

good for the germans.


They're really down on it over there, aren't they. Some govt minister called TC the Goebbels of Scientology when he was in Germany to film Valkyrie.

mms
19-01-2008, 07:03 PM
i still don't get how scientologists in the form of volunteer ministers were at 7/11 and 9/11 bombings after and allowed to give first aid.
also some trauma victims were sent to their free clinics
http://www.purificationpgm.org/

http://luana1980.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/scientology-cure-aids-911-workers/

they get quite alot of cash from private members and wall street as well.
its all quite sinister.

Pestario
19-01-2008, 07:14 PM
jeeez that was boring. Just a bunch of unfinished sentences and other babble. I couldn't see how that could convince anyone to join scientology other than the celeb-endorsement factor.

A pic of Tom Cruise with "Join or I will EAT you" in giant letters would be more convincing.

swears
19-01-2008, 07:28 PM
"they get quite alot of cash from private members and wall street as well.
its all quite sinister."

I wonder how many people join thinking "this is all crazy" but do it to be in with the right crowd and make business connections?

mms
19-01-2008, 07:32 PM
"they get quite alot of cash from private members and wall street as well.
its all quite sinister."

I wonder how many people join thinking "this is all crazy" but do it to be in with the right crowd and make business connections?

well its a fine balance between power influence and madness, scientology is hardly humble rather like it's dear leader the terminally cold-hearted and crooked l ron hubbard. Once you're in too its not as if you can opt out.

noel emits
19-01-2008, 07:37 PM
Can't accuse Britney of not having her finger on the zeitgeist.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/31287/Scientologists-to-marry-Britney

Scientology as the new punk rock.

zhao
20-01-2008, 04:46 AM
I wonder how many people join thinking "this is all crazy" but do it to be in with the right crowd and make business connections?

and it is SO, SO crazy. how can anyone in their right mind... well the surface "self help" level is not so far fetched i suppose, and even the fake machines - if you are extremely gullible and really in need of SOMETHING to hold on to know what i mean? but just a little deeper, all the SP's and Orgs and lizard gods from other dimensions? how in the fuck anyone above the age of 6 can take any of it serious is fucking beyond me.

so the answer in MY humble opinion, having lived in LA for 12 years, is 95%+ of the members are in the social club to be in the right crowd trying to make the right connections. fact that it's on preposterous grounds don't matter one bit -- it's all just ego and money.


Once you're in too its not as if you can opt out.

all the alleged persecution of ex-members - what's scary is there is probably a lot of weight to it when they say "you will never work in this city again". and when they want somebody to disappear? no one probably ever heard from them again.

had a wealthy venture captialist friend who used to tell me stories... straight out of some Raymond Chandler novel. except more crazy. so crazy that it's completely believable.

KernKätzchen
20-01-2008, 01:22 PM
What was with the editing though? I mean, it just seemed like a series of snapshots or soundbites interrupted by those weird subliminal flashes. Might it have made a bit more sense if the clips had been in the right order? Was this a genuine Scientology video designed to influence members and get new recruits? Or did someone outside Scientology get hold of it and edit it to make him look stupid? Ok, so what he says *is* pure bollocks, but you get the feeling that it might at least have made narrative sense if his comments had been set in some sort of context.

mms
20-01-2008, 01:24 PM
What was with the editing though? I mean, it just seemed like a series of snapshots or soundbites interrupted by those weird subliminal flashes. Might it have made a bit more sense if the clips had been in the right order? Was this a genuine Scientology video designed to influence members and get new recruits? Or did someone outside Scientology get hold of it and edit it to make him look stupid? Ok, so what he says *is* pure bollocks, but you get the feeling that it might at least have made narrative sense if his comments had been set in some sort of context.

is it not some kind of hit of key words and phrases to look up on the net etc, over lulling music...
it's basically a classically overconfident misjudgement too.

KernKätzchen
20-01-2008, 01:38 PM
is it not some kind of hit of key words and phrases to look up on the net etc, over lulling music...
it's basically a classically overconfident misjudgement too.

yeah, now millions of people are thinking 'wtf is KSW?'
*i'm* thinking 'wtf is KSW?', tbh...

Edit: now i understand!
http://www.ksw.org.uk/

fokse vektaire xeven
20-01-2008, 01:43 PM
Doug E. Fresh is a scientologist.

They should get him to do a video.

There's something dead behind the eyes with Cruise that's genuinely unnerving, very effective in Magnolia as has already been said...

zhao
20-01-2008, 06:48 PM
curios fact: Anthony Braxton was briefly a scientologist for a couple of years in the 70s...

Mr. Tea
20-01-2008, 07:12 PM
curios fact: Anthony Braxton was briefly a scientologist for a couple of years in the 70s...

But did he inhale?

zhao
21-01-2008, 02:33 AM
BBC documentary, Scientology and Me in 3 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr-Yaw1TTrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KxZ7Xcix3Id
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oYURmtjG1I

zhao
22-01-2008, 12:01 PM
several times in LA i encountered these people on the streets with a little stand and pamphlets and shit and their big deal was trying to convince passers by that the Frankfurt School were nazis who conspired with the 3rd Reich on many accounts before and during WW2.

which is very strange because i doubt 1 in 100 random people on Melrose or Venice Blvd. has any idea who Theodore Adorno is or have ever heard of the Frankfurt school.

i got into it with them once and nearly pulled out my 9, fucking ignorant loser motherfuckers.

to this day i don't know what the fuck that shit was about. probably something to do with scientology.

anyone know what i'm talking about?

nomadologist
22-01-2008, 12:29 PM
um no Zhao are you kidding? That's LA for you, I guess.

Scientology is a supercreepy cult. Not to overstate the obvious, but it's really, really insane what they do, especially to celebrities. Basically there's a whole "initiation" period before you become a real scientologist where you "confess" everything you've ever done wrong to the elders, who then give you membership, but bribe you for money and evangelical "support" as soon as you've achieved membership using this knowledge. (Tom Cruise and gayness, for example)

The power structure within scientology is all wrapped up in the Hollywood powerstructure, which makes for some supercreepy goings on. Like the Cruise-Holmes marriage. Apparently Nicole Kidman refused to convert to scientology and was very scared of the whole thing. Cruise's people basically put up "Tom Cruises Scientologist Wife" as a bid in Hollywood and came up with Katie Holmes.

I have heard so much from LA people about scientology that truly frightens me for its members. Anyone read about those two artists who were friends with Beck who both claimed scientologists were "after them" shortly before they both turned up dead of "apparent overdose." There's a good article in the Times I think...

zhao
22-01-2008, 04:09 PM
no i wasn't kidding... yes, that is indeed LA.

very strange that the entire Hansen family are scientologists. the Fluxus "Piano Drop" grandfather all the way down to Beck. a family of very smart and worldly artists and musicians. i used to be friends with his brother, who i think is the only one who won't touch that shit with a 10 foot pole. met his mom, who turned up at the barbeque in sunglasses at night... really funny and charming woman. all scientologists. :confused:

DJ PIMP
23-01-2008, 05:27 AM
no i wasn't kidding...
you carry a gun?

D84
23-01-2008, 08:08 AM
um no Zhao are you kidding? That's LA for you, I guess.

Scientology is a supercreepy cult. Not to overstate the obvious, but it's really, really insane what they do, especially to celebrities. Basically there's a whole "initiation" period before you become a real scientologist where you "confess" everything you've ever done wrong to the elders,

Apparently this is standard mind control procedure for most cults, eg. Skull & Bones (all US frat clubs? dunno)


The power structure within scientology is all wrapped up in the Hollywood powerstructure, which makes for some supercreepy goings on. Like the Cruise-Holmes marriage. Apparently Nicole Kidman refused to convert to scientology and was very scared of the whole thing. Cruise's people basically put up "Tom Cruises Scientologist Wife" as a bid in Hollywood and came up with Katie Holmes.


Yeah what's up with Holmes? She used to look kinda hot... Now she looks like some tragic spinster..

zhao
23-01-2008, 10:00 AM
you carry a gun?

ha... figure of speech. like many rap nerds i have thug-life fantasies... :o


Apparently this is standard mind control procedure for most cults, eg. Skull & Bones (all US frat clubs? dunno)

the initiation rites of some of the more exclusive clubs in wealthy circles for debutantes... i've heard some incredible stories...

Gavin
23-01-2008, 02:22 PM
the initiation rites of some of the more exclusive clubs in wealthy circles for debutantes... i've heard some incredible stories...

Well...? You want us to beg? :p

mistersloane
23-01-2008, 03:35 PM
Yeah what's up with Holmes? She used to look kinda hot... Now she looks like some tragic spinster..

I think I'd look rough too if I'd just given birth to the anti-christ.

zhao
23-01-2008, 04:27 PM
Well...? You want us to beg? :p

well ok... the following might sound made-up, but it came from my ex of 12 years, who witnessed it first person, and who is not in any way a person that likes to lie/make things up/play tricks.

so she grew up in Carmel, northern Cali, and went to a private all girl highschool for the daughters of the very rich. and the initiation ceremony for maybe the most prestigious frat clubs take place annually, at a private mansion at night. (my ex wasn't one of the coolest girls so she was invited to the parties but never was one of the "in" girls) so it's a wild party, in which the candidates, the most beautiful girls in the school, are dressed in the sluttiest clothing possible, and made to drink and toke more than they can handle. and the climax of the evening involves lining them up, beauty pageant style, probably in the back yard, with audience members cheering and cameras ready... so the 16 or 17 year old girls are drunk and high beyond belief... and after some speeches or whatever, flood lights like in a sports arena all of a sudden turn on, and they are sprayed and showered upon with water-balloons and fire extinguishers -- filled with feces and urine.

Mr. Tea
23-01-2008, 04:33 PM
Mental.

Is it a big secret that this happens at the 'climax' of the ceremony? I mean, do they have any clue what's going to happen, or is it all a surprise, like the bucket of pig guts in Carrie?

Edit: I bet the whole thing is filmed for some 'Girls Gone Wild' video...

zhao
23-01-2008, 04:39 PM
the events are organized by the older girls, and of course the initiates don't know anything about what is to take place... and it is surely forbidden to be talked about afterwards.

and i should add that this was in the late 70s (my ex is 10 years older than me), and i've no idea if they still do this today.

Mr. Tea
23-01-2008, 04:48 PM
I bet those Health And Safety killjoys have put a stop to it. :( :( :(

zhao
23-01-2008, 04:59 PM
no one outside the inner circles knows anything about it, so unlikely Health and Safty regulations are a concern.

Mr. Tea
23-01-2008, 05:01 PM
no one outside the inner circles knows anything about it, so unlikely Health and Safty regulations are a concern.

I'll put and tags in next time. ;)

Pestario
23-01-2008, 06:26 PM
How do you put faeces and urine in a fire extinguisher:slanted:

noel emits
23-01-2008, 06:30 PM
This place is especially full of shit today. ;)

-----

Apparently these are some of the questions asked at a Scientology auditing sesh:

• Have you ever enslaved a population?

• Have you ever debased a nation's currency?

• Have you ever killed the wrong person?

• Have you ever torn out someone's tongue?

• Have you ever been a professional critic?

• Have you ever wiped out a family?

• Have you ever tried to give sanity a bad name?

• Have you ever consistently practiced sex in some unnatural fashion?

• Have you ever made a planet, or nation, radioactive?

• Have you ever made love to a dead body?

• Have you ever engaged in piracy?

• Have you ever been a pimp?

• Have you ever eaten a human body?

• Have you ever disfigured a beautiful thing?

• Have you ever exterminated a species?

• Have you ever been a professional executioner?

• Have you given robots a bad name?

• Have you ever set a booby trap?

• Have you ever failed to rescue your leader?

• Have you driven anyone insane?

• Have you ever killed the wrong person?

• Is anybody looking for you?

• Have you ever set a poor example?

• Did you come to Earth for evil purposes?

• Are you in hiding?

• Have you systematically set up mysteries?

• Have you ever made a practice of confusing people?

• Have you ever philosophized when you should have acted instead?

• Have you ever gone crazy?

• Have you ever sought to persuade someone of your insanity?

• Have you ever deserted, or betrayed, a great leader?

• Have you ever smothered a baby?

• Do you deserve to have any friends?

• Have you ever castrated anyone?

• Do you deserve to be enslaved?

• Is there any question on this list I had better not ask you again?

• Have you ever tried to make the physical universe less real?

• Have you ever zapped anyone?

• Have you ever had a body with a venereal disease? If so, did you spread it?

Mr. Tea
23-01-2008, 07:20 PM
This place is especially full of shit today. ;)

-----

Apparently these are some of the questions asked at a Scientology auditing sesh:

• Have you ever enslaved a population?

• Have you ever debased a nation's currency?

.................................................. .................................................

• Have you ever tried to make the physical universe less real?

• Have you ever zapped anyone?

• Have you ever had a body with a venereal disease? If so, did you spread it?

Would you like to? Then STEP RIGHT UP!!!

henry s
23-01-2008, 07:50 PM
i still don't get how scientologists in the form of volunteer ministers were at 7/11 and 9/11 bombings after and allowed to give first aid.
also some trauma victims were sent to their free clinics
http://www.purificationpgm.org/

http://luana1980.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/scientology-cure-aids-911-workers/

they get quite alot of cash from private members and wall street as well.
its all quite sinister.

Scientologists were also allowed (maybe still are) to set up those "stress test" booths at will in NYC subways, and in fact city-sanctioned ads for the subway system promoted them, until public outcry forced the city to remove them...

Mr. Tea
23-01-2008, 07:54 PM
I want to see adverts on the Tube, featuring this concerned-looking dad, that start "Drugs saved my son from Scientology...".

Gavin
23-01-2008, 09:51 PM
• Have you given robots a bad name?


:cool:

crackerjack
23-01-2008, 09:57 PM
• Have you ever been a professional critic?

I know critics aren't the most popular people, but that's quite some company :eek:.

heroesandvillains
24-01-2008, 03:32 AM
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IdleRich
24-01-2008, 09:02 AM
Why do they ask the "killed the wrong person" question twice?
Where did that list come from?

noel emits
24-01-2008, 12:22 PM
The list was here: http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/01/tom-cruise-scientology-sec-whole-track-questionnaire.php

Don't know if it's genuine.

Some other stuff here: http://reddit.com/info/66equ/comments/

Ugh, that Radar magazine looks pretty vile but they did link to this which like yesterday's refusnik bus goths I find oddly cheering:

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craner
24-01-2008, 05:16 PM
The best thing about Scientology is the story of L. Ron Hubbard's private navy (http://www.xenu.net/archive/so/). I can't really see the Beckham's going in for this sort of thing. Michael Jackson kept well away, to his credit.

vimothy
24-01-2008, 05:29 PM
The best thing about scientology is Jack Parsons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons)

http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/v/G/2/babalon.jpg

KernKätzchen
25-01-2008, 10:17 AM
• Have you ever tried to make the physical universe less real?



? :confused:

D84
25-01-2008, 10:47 AM
After reading this bit of news (http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,23107452-5014239,00.html)

A NOTORIOUS group of internet users known as "Anonymous" have taken down a Scientology website after declaring war on the church...

The group also claimed to have downloaded many of the church’s “secret documents” – which can now be downloaded from popular file-sharing sites.

I googled "anonymous scientology " and found this:

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swears
25-01-2008, 11:00 AM
Oddball stuff people you know believe in:

Woman I used to work with 100% thought fairies were real.

Some nutter filmed a streetlight pissed on his phone, told everyone it was a UFO.

Guy at sixth form who constantly argued that "The Nazis were really good except for all the racist stuff."

STN
25-01-2008, 11:07 AM
I used to live with a woman who believed that people used to live to be well over 100 in like the middle ages and stuff.

swears
25-01-2008, 11:14 AM
There was one guy in Liverpool handing out flyers that said that people can live to be 4000 years old if they do these breathing exercises he invented.

dHarry
25-01-2008, 11:15 AM
Zhao? ;)

straight
25-01-2008, 01:05 PM
sorry to hop in late, we knew cruise was barking so i stayed out of it.


so apparently Germany had successfully implemented a complete ban of scientology but the scientologists won some kind of court case and now it's kind of a tie that can still go either way...

good for the germans.


has there been an influx of german scientologists to this country? i was accosted by a group of them in the NQ in manchester the other day, they had one of their anti psychiatry roadshow shindigs on and after seeing the museum theyve dedicated to it on TV i nearly went in out of morbid curiosity. i politely declined as i was feeling particularly directionless at the time and in danger of being extremely suggestable.

swears
25-01-2008, 01:13 PM
I would have checked that out, I love cranks. I'd have feigned an interest to hear some Grade-A wacky theories.

mms
25-01-2008, 01:59 PM
http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2008/01/ufos-and-scientology.html

this is interesting and will explain some of the background of the relationships that scientologists have.

noel emits
25-01-2008, 02:04 PM
has there been an influx of german scientologists to this country?
In that Panorama doc they say something about Scientology 'relaunching' in the UK.

The Subgenius thing is largely a spoof on Scientology isn't it, although I like to think of it as the Scientology that works ;) Funnier than TOPY anyway :rolleyes:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514W3KYA0QL._AA240_.jpg

straight
25-01-2008, 02:32 PM
Guy at sixth form who constantly argued that "The Nazis were really good except for all the racist stuff."


you went to school with brian ferry?

Mr. Tea
25-01-2008, 03:16 PM
you went to school with brian ferry?

He probably just admired their dress sense. Which is fair enough, really.

jonny mugwump
25-01-2008, 04:25 PM
more anonymous excitement :D (from the Strange Attractor site)

http://www.strangeattractor.co.uk/further/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/1201116421097ig4.jpg

Mr. Tea
25-01-2008, 05:53 PM
Is Scientology homophobic? Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they regard gayness as 'aberrant' or 'pathalogical', and possibly related to paracetamol use... :slanted:

Gavin
25-01-2008, 07:52 PM
Is Scientology homophobic? Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they regard gayness as 'aberrant' or 'pathalogical', and possibly related to paracetamol use... :slanted:

They claim to cure gay people (celebs like Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kirstie Alley -- gay rite?) with their tech.

heroesandvillains
26-01-2008, 02:49 AM
http://sf.irk.ru/www/xenuleaf.htm

OT III


Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack.

Xenu the alien ruler Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.

Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers).

These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth where the paralysed people were stacked around the bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions. When they had finished stacking them around then H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and everyone was killed.

The story doesn't end there though. Since everyone has a soul (called a "thetan" in this story) then you have to trick souls into not coming back again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by the nuclear winds he had special electronic traps that caught all the souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams were sticky like fly-paper).

After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called "implanting".

When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies.

As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and they locked him away in a mountain on one of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery and Xenu is still alive today.

http://sf.irk.ru/www/Xenu.jpg

zhao
26-01-2008, 07:32 AM
glossary of terms (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1579963/20080118/index.jhtml)

glossary is one of those words that i don't need to repeat very many times before it loses its meaning and become a very strange combination of syllables.


SCIENTOLOGISTS HIT BACK AT GERMAN NEWSPAPER OVER CRUISE-GOEBBELS COMPARISON (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23433436-details/Scientologists&#37;20hit%20back%20at%20German%20newspa per%20over%20Cruise-Goebbels%20comparison/article.do)

mms
26-01-2008, 11:06 AM
SP: "Suppressive Person." An SP is someone who commits suppressive acts, like murder, criticizing Scientology or altering LRH's teachings, according to former and current members. Journalists are automatically considered SPs because they traffic in bad news and so are barred from entering Scientology. Psychiatrists would also be SPs, so Cruise says, "Crush these guys! I've had it! No mercy! None! Go to guns!" as a call to arms. Since all's fair in war, LRH once issued a policy called "Fair Game" that decreed that anyone who opposed Scientology could be "tricked, sued or lied to and destroyed." The church says it no longer officially practices this, however, it is still a fairly contentious organization.

PTS: "Potential Trouble Sources," as in Scientologists who are losing the faith or are being influenced by an SP.

PTS/SP: A course in how to "handle" and/or "disconnect" PTS and SPs, which usually costs about $1,600, according to estimates from church members.

love the way that scientology mirrors neo con capitalism

Mr. Tea
26-01-2008, 12:45 PM
This stuff makes mainstream religion sound positively rational by comparison.

It's as if LHR went out of his way to out-weird every known faith: "So you guys have got an elephant-headed dude with six arms, yeah? Well WE'VE got an alien warlord kept alive by an everlasting battery, so NER!"

mistersloane
26-01-2008, 02:50 PM
more anonymous excitement :D (from the Strange Attractor site)

http://www.strangeattractor.co.uk/further/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/1201116421097ig4.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ

slackk
29-01-2008, 02:16 AM
This is the website behind the "Anonymous" group=
http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology

Well, the centrepoint. I don't know why they have a pokemon as the central image. It's continually being hacked so watch any links you click on because they may be NSFW.

Mr. Tea
29-01-2008, 09:58 AM
Operation Clambake is a sort of 'official' Scientology-debunking website:

http://www.xenu.net/

noel emits
29-01-2008, 10:11 AM
Scientology-debunking
The words 'fish' and 'barrel' shoot to mind.

Mr. Tea
29-01-2008, 12:35 PM
The words 'fish' and 'barrel' shoot to mind.

Well OK, they go a lot further than merely 'debunking' it - explaining what it's about, exposing their dodgier activities, co-ordinating pickets and stuff like that.

swears
29-01-2008, 05:28 PM
A scientologist touches me in a way I don't like. What can I do?

If he touches your genital parts or tells you to touch his, then it is a crime, even if the scientologist is "upstat" or "OT". Please do not report it to scientology because a case at "Flag" has shown they won't do anything! Go right to the police and tell all. If you think you could trust your parents in the past, then discuss the matter with them. You do not have to feel guilty. It is the fault of the other person.

Mr. Tea
29-01-2008, 05:38 PM
A scientologist touches me in a way I don't like. What can I do?

If he touches your genital parts or tells you to touch his, then it is a crime, even if the scientologist is "upstat" or "OT". Please do not report it to scientology because a case at "Flag" has shown they won't do anything! Go right to the police and tell all. If you think you could trust your parents in the past, then discuss the matter with them. You do not have to feel guilty. It is the fault of the other person.

Voice of experience?

AcidBeard
29-01-2008, 06:04 PM
They always used to have a stool down in Brighton with a free stress test. I've never really engaged with the whole thing until recently but it is definitely a shady organisation looking to exploit and make money and somehow doing it very well. I had no idea they were so big, they've even got a massive cruise ship or something its ridiculous.

This youtube video shedded a completely different light on them. Unbelievable if true.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

zhao
30-01-2008, 11:41 AM
a cruise ship? they probably have a hundred of them. the money and power behind the organizatio should not be underestimated. i wouldn't surprised if they have considerable behind doors political leverage in the US.

heroesandvillains
30-01-2008, 12:09 PM
This youtube video shedded a completely different light on them. Unbelievable if true.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

ugh i watched this video last night and had a nightmare about being chased by scientologists...

noel emits
30-01-2008, 12:26 PM
South Park

http://allsp.com/l.php?id=e137

zhao
30-01-2008, 02:16 PM
ok you guys ready to get like, TOTALLY WEIRDED OUT?

Massive archive of secret scientology documents from when the Anon group hacked into their servers:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P8WOFOLG

would be fucking hilarious if it wasn't so creeeeeeeeeepy....

slackk
30-01-2008, 10:13 PM
that went down fast.
i reupped it.
http://rapidshare.com/files/87927148/SECRETDOX.rar.html

mms
04-02-2008, 07:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrkchXCzY70&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS37LCU9DLA&feature=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ufcHYIQnks&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf6MbrJ-T2w

blimey!

zhao
04-02-2008, 08:15 PM
Anthrax Hoaxes Hit Scientology HQs, Bad Thetans (http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/02/draft-white-pow.html)

Feb. 10th, huh?

mms
04-02-2008, 09:19 PM
cor i luv anonymous
http://www.partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology#History

mms
05-02-2008, 07:48 PM
anyone fancy this thing on sunday in lndon then?

swears
05-02-2008, 08:41 PM
If I lived down south, I'd definitely check it out...

Somebody try and let us know what happens.

Dusty
06-02-2008, 09:51 PM
I can't see Scientology ever gaining a serious foothold in the UK - people are just too bitter and cynical to fall en-masse for stress tests.

Having said that, I'm still well up for taking the cunts down.

No offence Tom.

IdleRich
07-02-2008, 05:44 PM
Don't think that this has been mentioned yet

http://jodm.com/blag/anonymous-victory-katie-holmes-leaving-tom-cruise/

Mr. Tea
07-02-2008, 06:00 PM
Don't think that this has been mentioned yet

http://jodm.com/blag/anonymous-victory-katie-holmes-leaving-tom-cruise/

Haha, owned.

zhao
07-02-2008, 06:26 PM
i feel no guilt taking pleasure in this.

zhao
07-02-2008, 07:31 PM
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Dial
08-02-2008, 03:09 AM
Ah, schadenfreude!

swears
08-02-2008, 12:13 PM
Don't think that this has been mentioned yet

http://jodm.com/blag/anonymous-victory-katie-holmes-leaving-tom-cruise/

"...spooky, amorphous hacker group Anonymous"

Love this description of them, very Lunar Park.

jonny mugwump
08-02-2008, 03:35 PM
oh, i'm definitely up for the march/ protest whatever the hell it is and i'll be documenting it so i'll upload anything worthwhile i get.

isn't it the chinese new year on sunday too?

london is the place to be this weekend then :D

IdleRich
08-02-2008, 03:58 PM
Celebrations on Sunday in London, the actual first day was yesterday.

jonny mugwump
08-02-2008, 06:52 PM
thanks for that mr rich- thats one cultural embarrassment averted- now, does anybody know where i can get a tom cruise mask?

mistersloane
09-02-2008, 02:02 AM
John Travolta mask

http://www.escapade.co.uk/Masks-sale/Famous-Character-Masks/John-Travolta-Mask-1730O.asp

mms
10-02-2008, 11:09 PM
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_international_report:_%22Anonymous%22_hol ds_anti-Scientology_protests_worldwide

mistersloane
10-02-2008, 11:45 PM
http://tanya-n.com/?p=104

UFO over easy
12-02-2008, 12:46 PM
I don't want to click on any links or anything cos I'm at work but did anyone go to that thing on the 10th? I'm quite disappointed I only just read this thread, sounds like it would've been interesting just to observe. And a fun opportunity to make a badass superhero mask.


I had no idea they were so big, they've even got a massive cruise ship or something its ridiculous.


I found this sentence really funny by the way :D It sounds like a really awesome chinese whisper or something


I can't see Scientology ever gaining a serious foothold in the UK - people are just too bitter and cynical to fall en-masse for stress tests.

There's a lot of very rich people looking for reasons why they're so bitter. Cynicism and depression if anything makes you more vulnerable to this crap imo..

Sick Boy
13-02-2008, 04:32 AM
From the Toronto, Canada protests:


One protester possessed a cap gun, however other protesters in his vicinity quickly pointed him out to the police, who confiscated it without charge.

A Church member was seen throwing rock salt at some protesters for a short period of time, but later went back into the Church."

God bless Canada. :D

IdleRich
13-02-2008, 10:10 AM
"thanks for that mr rich- thats one cultural embarrassment averted"
I only knew 'cause I was talking to the (chinese) girl sitting next to me about it just as you posted that.

mistersloane
13-02-2008, 11:34 PM
I don't want to click on any links or anything cos I'm at work but did anyone go to that thing on the 10th?

yeah i went down - there's an embarrassing picture of me on that tanya's website, which I searched out cos I hated her attitude with regard to photographing people. She had such a pap persona I thought she was from the Sun.

It was very sweet, high point was the crowd singing Rick Astley's 'Never Gonna Give You Up' at the building, then someone playing it from a ghetto-blaster. It was much like protests seem to be nowadays - jovial, I went down because I was impressed by the threatening tone of the internet campaign, and was hoping for a V for Vendetta-style silent protest, but nope. So I left pretty fast, didn't go down to Tottenham Court Road.

*edit* that sounds like I'm knocking it, I'm not, it was very enjoyable, just a bit chaos magician for my tastes.

UFO over easy
14-02-2008, 10:30 AM
cool

on a completely unrelated note, I actually thought you lived in the US sloane :)

jonny mugwump
14-02-2008, 11:34 AM
yeah i went too- it was fun but kind of directionless really- witty though.

They played the theme to prince of bel air and mission impossible and played some will smith and the afore mentioned rick astley. a fair proportion of people had the v masks so it looked really impressive. they also played their mission statement which had a vocodered voice and that sounded really cool and really serious but their 'mission' does sound more threatening than the protest appeared.

early days though i guess- i'm definitely following this one- i hope it progresses more sinisterly than jovially...

UFO over easy
14-02-2008, 12:31 PM
i hope it progresses more sinisterly than jovially...

it'd be pretty awesome if it became a cult in its own right

mistersloane
14-02-2008, 01:34 PM
cool

on a completely unrelated note, I actually thought you lived in the US sloane :)

wow really? i did for a while years back, but no, laaaaaahdahhhhn through and through, can't.seem.to.escape.

woops
22-02-2008, 05:24 PM
what a non event,
scientology apparently has some kind of attention span

UFO over easy
03-03-2008, 12:41 PM
bumpbumpbump

this morning has absolutely flown by, I've spent a very enjoyable few hours link-jumping around scientology debunking articles. the thing that's weirded me out the most is an article about the actions of CoS on 9/11. apparently a bunch of 'volunteer ministers' set up e-meter booths at ground zero, targetting the bereaved and the injured, and attempting as far as possible to disrupt the work of psychiatrists in the area - http://www.solitarytrees.net/cowen/misc/ground0.htm

madness!

there's some wonderful stuff in there about their psychiatry-based conspiracy theories. the leader of the church issued some kind of notice all about how the nazis, the soviet union and al-qaeda were and still are a direct consequence of the spread of practising psychiatrists.

here's a good bit -

'[memo from David Miscavige, current head of the church]
"World War II and its mission of genocide was spurred on by a psychiatric myth of racial superiority. Reducing Hitler's army to dust, killing millions in the process, did not end it.

Suicide bombings at Pearl Harbor led to atomic bombs wiping out whole cities. Yet suicide bombings of an even more brutal nature — previously unimaginable — have now occurred.

Every one of these attacks, and endless world conflicts can be traced to a lack of real technology of the mind and reliance on false mental therapies of psychiatry and psychology. Don't be fooled. It is not normal for people to agree to suicide missions in killing others. Such people are not born, they are made. It is done through drugging, hypnotism and implanting — the stock in trade of the psych. This not conjecture. It is fact. And if there is any doubt, consider the fact that the primary suspect — Osama bin Laden — has a psychiatrist as his right-hand man."

(For the record, Pearl Harbor was not a suicide bombing — the kamikaze did not appear until Japan's defeat was in sight, in 1944. Nazism was not the creation of psychiatry; its racialist policies had antecedants that went back long before psychiatry even existed. Its 20th century inspirations included "sciences" such as eugenics that had widespread if misguided support from intellectual elites across Europe and the United States, some of which happened to include psychiatrists, alongside representatives of many other professions. Osama bin Laden's right-hand man, Ayman al-Zawahiri, is actually a surgeon, not a psychiatrist. Scientology's dubious claim of his psychiatric links appears to rely on the sole source of unnamed "officials in the Egyptian government". Since 9/11, Scientology has developed a complex conspiracy theory that involves al-Zawahiri as the &#233;minence grise and master brainwasher behind al-Qaeda, with the nineteen hijackers and even bin Laden himself as his improbable victims. It quotes approvingly claims that Zawahiri "was able to reshape bin Laden's thinking and mentality and turn him from merely a supporter of the Afghan Jihad to a believer in and export of the Jihad's ideology." Few outside Scientology give the theory any credence.)'


what a non event,
scientology apparently has some kind of attention span

I don't really understand the second part of that sentence, but what were you expecting to happen?

there's another protest being co-ordinated by anonymous for the 15th March

noel emits
03-03-2008, 01:20 PM
the thing that's weirded me out the most is an article about the actions of CoS on 9/11. apparently a bunch of 'volunteer ministers' set up e-meter booths at ground zero, targetting the bereaved and the injured, and attempting as far as possible to disrupt the work of psychiatrists in the area - http://www.solitarytrees.net/cowen/misc/ground0.htm
Apparently they were there in London on 7/7 too. I'm sure I've seen pictures of their little booths.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/fivelive/aod.shtml?fivelive/flreport_scientologynew

I suppose you could just see it as an attempt at some kind of PR. They're a bit weird so of course it comes across as creepy.

UFO over easy
03-03-2008, 01:36 PM
I suppose you could just see it as an attempt at some kind of PR. They're a bit weird so of course it comes across as creepy.

that's a pretty massive understatement I reckon.. of course it's fairly standard practise for religion to reach out to those suffering, but where it differs is that in this case the 'outreach' is treated as a recruitment drive, directly targetting the most vulnerable with the end goal being convincing them to donate huge sums of money to the cause.

that's not even touching on the attempts to disrupt crucial work being carried out by mental health professionals on site. must make you feel pretty sick to think of the people denied that at such a terrible time?

noel emits
03-03-2008, 01:39 PM
that's a pretty massive understatement I reckon..
I know, I'm sort of kidding. I just prefer to laugh at these fuckers. That South Park episode is pretty fantastic.

But then in terms of 'missionary' work and soliciting money it's not all that different to how some other 'religious' organisations operate at all. They're modus operandi are really quite nasty but in many ways it's the same process.

The Scientologists on the ground may well believe they are doing the right thing, just as Christian missionaries did when they were trying to civilise the savages. And they both get they're psychological claws into people by offering these outlandish mythical worldviews as being the truth.

UFO over easy
03-03-2008, 01:41 PM
persy :)

zhao
03-03-2008, 03:12 PM
that shit is wacked out beyond belief

UFO over easy
03-03-2008, 03:25 PM
The Scientologists on the ground may well believe they are doing the right thing, just as Christian missionaries did when they were trying to civilise the savages.

Of course they do, all the more reason why it's so fucked.


it's not all that different to how some other 'religious' organisations operate at all. They're modus operandi are really quite nasty but in many ways it's the same process.

Of course there's the temptation to look at all organisations based on 'faith' in the same cynical light.. but I think there's a difference. when something is so obviously insane, and so obviously twisted, there's really no room for error. Christianity and other major religions are vague enough to mean some good can come from them I think, whereas Scientology is such a fixed set of absolute rules with no room for interpretation.. you donate to the cause, you're donating to a disgustingly ruthless, amoral, power hungry organisation. 'Period', as Tom Cruise would say.

Mainstream CoE Christianity in the UK, from my not particularly well informed perspective, looks to me not even to be very ambitious anymore. There doesn't seem to be any real attempt to attract new members, outsiders aren't treated like the 'enemy' (L Ron actually described everyone in the world even minutely concerned about scientology as 'the enemy'), and it seems as though most of the money donated to the church goes alternately towards fixing their continuously fucked rooves and other registered charities and approved causes.

I can obviously see the parallel though, and I think it's almost as messed up seeing Christian evangelists trawling through hospital wards offering desperate people salvation. Even here though, there's a difference. With the Christian worldview, everyone is the same in the eyes of God; for them, everyone is a target. In an official memo from L Ron in that same article I linked to before, he makes it clear that Scientology is not interested in the terminally ill, or the comatose.

Check it out -


Don't pick on the very bad off [sic] unconscious cases. Hit the fracture ward and the maternity ward. Go around and say hello to the people and ask if you can do anything for them. … This is a pretty routine drill really. You get permission to visit. You go in and give patients a cheery smile. You want to know if you can do anything for them, you give them a card and tell them to come around to your group and really get well, and you give them a touch assist if they seem to need it but only if they're willing. And you for sure make sure that there is someone on the other end when they ring up. But your statement, "the modern scientific church can cure things like that. Come around and see." will work. Its [sic] straight recruiting!

noel emits
03-03-2008, 03:33 PM
That's why it's actually usefully comical to treat Scientology as if it's like those other religions. The comparison makes it look even more absurd.

D84
13-04-2008, 01:16 PM
In today's Herald:

Why I fled Scientology (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/why-i-fled-scientology/2008/04/12/1207856911093.html)


AN AUSTRALIAN man who was a former high-ranking member of the Church of Scientology is calling for the religion to be "totally dismantled" because of the human rights abuses he says it inflicts on its followers.

mms
24-05-2008, 07:40 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/20/1

15 year old faces prosecution for calling scientology a cult!

Mr. Tea
24-05-2008, 08:49 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/20/1

15 year old faces prosecution for calling scientology a cult!



The unnamed 15-year-old was served the summons by City of London police when he took part in a peaceful demonstration opposite the London headquarters of the controversial religion.

Officers confiscated a placard with the word "cult" on it from the youth, who is under 18, and a case file has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service.

Good to know there are still papers that don't talk down to you!

Still, it's a fucked-up story. Whatever happened to freedom of expression? Oh yeah, sorry, it might be used in such a way as to offend someone... :(

mms
24-05-2008, 09:47 PM
Good to know there are still papers that don't talk down to you!

Still, it's a fucked-up story. Whatever happened to freedom of expression? Oh yeah, sorry, it might be used in such a way as to offend someone... :(

i've never really understood what's so bad about causing offence and why it's such an important thing nowdays that it's actually punishable by law.


laws against fraudulent mediums and spiritualists??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7351199.stm


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7354089.stm

bit off the topic but part of the same problem no?

mistersloane
24-05-2008, 11:55 PM
Marina Hyde especially good today about links between City of London police and Scientology

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/24/religion.law1

Ironic given that the City of London have a specialist fraud squad.

zhao
25-05-2008, 12:32 PM
Marina Hyde

http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/contributor/2007/09/28/marina_hyde_140x140.jpg

kind of cute

mistersloane
25-05-2008, 03:33 PM
http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/contributor/2007/09/28/marina_hyde_140x140.jpg

kind of cute

You know what? I totally looked at the picture and the name and thought 'that's one of my mates on the Guardian under an assumed name and picture, the whole package is too good'. Marine Hyde...

zhao
25-05-2008, 07:12 PM
maybe i should seek employment with the Guardian? hmmm...

Mr. Tea
25-05-2008, 08:44 PM
Frankly, I'm offended by the boy's placard too. It's a sad indictment of our education system that a 16-year-old confuses the particles a and for and can misspell the word 'cunts' quite so badly.

noel emits
26-05-2008, 07:52 PM
laws against fraudulent mediums and spiritualists??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7351199.stm
So, it's illegal to describe Scientology as a cult but it's proposed that mediums and spiritualists must prove their claims or be subject to prosecution? Has the world of religion gone mad?

Or rather what's implied is that if you are legally defined as a 'religion' then everyone must accept and respect whatever you claim to believe. Brilliant, it's clearly the best wheeze going, tax breaks, charitable status and legal protection from being called a liar.

elgato
27-05-2008, 11:41 AM
Still, it's a fucked-up story

fucked up but also quite inspiring. all about a 15-yr-old quoting a court ruling to the police, standing by his word, taking them to the line and backing them down - legend

Mr. Tea
27-05-2008, 11:49 AM
Has the world of religion gone mad?


Oh noel, you are an inspired ironist at times. :)

Mr. Tea
27-05-2008, 11:56 AM
Actually, this isn't the first recent story about a disquieting accord between a police force and a religious group - there was the (wholly deserved) legal drubbing handed out to West Midlands police just the other day over their complaints about a Channel 4 documentary that had the gall to expose extremist bigots as, er, extremist bigots...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/7401704.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/15/channel4.television1

jambo
07-01-2009, 01:41 PM
Is it worth picking up Battlefield Earth DVD for 75p for a laugh?

Mr. Tea
07-01-2009, 02:07 PM
Were you reminded of this thread because Travolta's son died yesterday, by any chance? It's very sad, but I just hope to god he didn't refuse any treatment for the kid because of his ludicrous beliefs or anything like that...

jambo
07-01-2009, 02:16 PM
This seems to be the default CO$ thread.

Yes it's sad about the kid. People are naturally always ready to stick the boot in but it's hard to say what the actual circumstances were.

woops
23-06-2009, 04:53 PM
f***ing mad too much information Co$ video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6812164614976718979)

scottdisco
07-10-2010, 10:23 AM
the reason Scientology is struggling to establish itself is because it is a stupid cult.

OK if you're a hardcore atheist you might say much the same about big religions but at least you have the consolation of oh i don't know, Islamic calligraphy or Gregorian plainchant or Iberian synagogue designs or etc etc.

what have this lot got?

Battlefield Earth DVDs.
:rolleyes:

i count this as the third Don't Panic spam in recent days on the board.

michael
07-10-2010, 10:49 AM
Yeah, the previous user was banned. Use the "report post" button!

I hate that URL shortening services can be used to obfuscate this kind of nastiness... must be a dream for phishing.

nochexxx
07-10-2010, 11:07 AM
apologies if this has already been mentioned upthread, but there's a follow up to that 1st (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuJlZ_f1594)Panorama Scientology doc.

the new one is available on the iplayer http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00v1ykr/Panorama_The_Secrets_of_Scientology/

matt b
07-10-2010, 11:29 AM
I'm now going to delete anything to do with Don't Panic and ban anyone who links to their site, or even thinks about them.

martin
07-10-2010, 04:09 PM
I'm now going to delete anything to do with Don't Panic and ban anyone who links to their site, or even thinks about them.

In the spirit of Anonymous, I think the least Dissensus could do is raid Don't Panic and spam all the comments boxes to fuck. C'mon! Let's see some action, you mods should be leading by example. They've just shat on your collective porch, three times. You can't let 'em get away with this!

sufi
07-10-2010, 05:23 PM
their office is 100 meters from where i am sitting now, they always leave their windows open...
spamming is their bisnis real life bigtime tho, ... how to spam a spammer?
(& sorry which is the 3rd spam? i missed it i think)

mms
08-10-2010, 04:57 PM
i only came on this thread to read the don't panic post.

crackerjack
07-02-2011, 10:05 PM
Interview with Paul Haggis on leaving CoS, causing a stir (though nothing shocking if you've even half followed them).

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/02/paul_haggis_scientology.html

Nice get-out clause at the end, giving him a good defence for all future scandals & misdemeanours ;)

cobretti
22-02-2011, 11:12 AM
I read that mammoth Paul Haggis/New Yorker article the other day, prompted by a piece on Gawker about Scientologists labouring on gifts & luxuries for Tom Cruise for a meager wage. Gawker's move to a shitty new layout seems to be causing problems with hotlinking to stories but hopefully this works:

http://gawker.com/#!5757217/tom-cruises-favorite-toys-were-built-for-free-by-scientology-slaves

It just gets scarier and scarier.

muser
14-03-2011, 12:20 AM
looks like channel 4 are repping scientology now, with those mini shows-between-shows that no-one really notices but probably watches anyway. a little sinister maybe..

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/4thoughttv/4od#3169119

Mr. Tea
14-03-2011, 11:41 AM
looks like channel 4 are repping scientology now, with those mini shows-between-shows that no-one really notices but probably watches anyway. a little sinister maybe..

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/4thoughttv/4od#3169119

Hmm, they're not all pro-Sc'ly, but it looks like 4/7 of them are. :slanted: Doesn't help that the chief exec of the Mental Health Foundation sounds like an absolute weirdo while CoS PR is notoriously slick.

But we all know C4 doesn't shy away from 'controversy' - remember that infamous 'anti-warmist' programme they had about climate change a couple of years ago?

muser
15-03-2011, 12:09 PM
yes I remember that, didn't watch it though but remember hearing about it being full of a load of nonsense and inaccurate data, as if all the doubters needed "science" to affirm their beliefs, pretty dubious.