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noel emits
19-06-2008, 10:59 AM
Another young suicide in the Welsh county of Bridgend on Monday. That's 22 since the beginning of 2007. Police and social services have mostly maintained that there's been no link between these but it's certainly a large jump above the numbers to be expected in an area that size.

So I was thinking about 'below-the-radar' causes of psychological disturbance and came across this article (http://www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/infra.htm) on infrasound and it's possble effects.

What is the sustained influence of infrasound on humans and human behavior? Mysterious desert humming sounds fill the night of nomads with superstitious dread. Deep, buzzing, and threatening, these continuous humming tones have produced anxiety and fear among bedouins for centuries. The "ghost wails" appear in the mythology and folktales of the desert people.

But these deep and virtually inaudible humming tones are not confined to the desert plains, where they thrash among themselves across sandy dunes. The Mistral, the northward winds of the African continent, sweeps over the southern Mediterranean coastlands during late fall. These familiar hot winds emerge from their desert journeys with a strange power, lasting throughout the winter. These winds leave an indelible trace among exposed communities, a phenomenon which has been misunderstood for centuries.

Also, did anyone here take part in the Infrasonic experiment (http://www.spacedog.biz/Infrasonic/experiment.htm) at the Purcell Room in 2003?

The two Purcell Room concerts were identical in every aspect, except the use of infrasound. If the generator was on in one piece in the 3pm show, it was off in that piece in the 5pm show (see which pieces had infrasound below). We were careful to use the infrasound at moderate levels so it would be on the cusp of perception. The music masked the infrasound - in theory this meant the audience were never fully aware of its presence. Varying where we put the infrasound enables us to rule out the emotional effects of the other elements of the concert (the music, performance and film).

http://www.spacedog.biz/Infrasonic/images/pipeinshed.jpg

swears
19-06-2008, 11:52 AM
Anyone remember conspiracy nuts in the UK (maybe elsewhere, I dunno) who claimed that the government had placed infrasound transmitters in strategic locations to control the population, particularly those who would reveal their evil plans? I saw a TV documentary a few years back with this rather sweaty middle-aged businessman-looking fella who said that he could feel the effects of these devices all the time, there were even areas he couldn't travel to at all because it would be agony for him.

noel emits
19-06-2008, 12:02 PM
It is possible that a body or a part of it could form a vessel or chamber of just the right size to resonate with vibrations at a particular frequency. There's an interesting bit on the wikipedia infrasound page:

Research by the late Vic Tandy, a lecturer at Coventry University, suggested that the frequency 19 hertz was responsible for many ghost sightings. He was working late one night alone in a supposedly haunted laboratory at Warwick, when he felt very anxious, and could detect a grey blob out of the corner of his eye. When he turned to face it, there was nothing.

The following day, he was working on his fencing foil, with the handle held in a vice. Although there was nothing touching it, it started to vibrate wildly. Further investigation led him to discover that the extraction fan was emitting a frequency of 18.98 Hz, very close to the resonant frequency of the eye (given as 18 Hz in NASA Technical Report 19770013810). This was why he saw a ghostly figure — it was an optical illusion caused by his eyeballs resonating. The room was exactly half a wavelength in length, and the desk was in the centre, thus causing a standing wave which was detected by the foil.

Of course infrasound is pretty much everywhere and can have many causes and unacknowledged physiological effects. Would be a highly inefficient way to achieve population control I should think. Hmm, so not so implausible that the government was behind it after all ;)

nomos
19-06-2008, 06:39 PM
That Tandy story is really interesting. They did some follow up work on it too - found a very similar standing wave at another 'haunted' site.


It is possible that a body or a part of it could form a vessel or chamber of just the right size to resonate with vibrations at a particular frequency.
From a book I picked up recently...

Resonance phenomena of the human body:
- rib cage ~60 Hz
- spine (axial mode) 10-12 Hz
- head (axial mode) ~25 Hz
- wrist 50-200 Hz
- abdominal mass 4-8 Hz
- eyeball, intra-ocular structures 30-80 Hz

and so on.

matt b
19-06-2008, 06:55 PM
old thread that touches on some of this here:

http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=4929&highlight=infrasonic

bassnation
19-06-2008, 09:24 PM
Another young suicide in the Welsh county of Bridgend on Monday. That's 22 since the beginning of 2007. Police and social services have mostly maintained that there's been no link between these but it's certainly a large jump above the numbers to be expected in an area that size.

So I was thinking about 'below-the-radar' causes of psychological disturbance and came across this article (http://www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/infra.htm) on infrasound and it's possble effects.

mate, i love this post - its gone off topic half way through which has to be a first. i grew up near bridgend and yeah its fucking depressing but no more so than any dull uk town. and these days its certainly a better place to live than it was when i was growing up in the eighties. but i never noticed any brain-altering subbass when i lived there, apart from in my mates souped up fiesta as we tore around playing hardcore to the unwilling peds.

noel emits
19-06-2008, 09:29 PM
old thread that touches on some of this here:

http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=4929&highlight=infrasonic
Ah yes of course, going over old ground. I did a search for 'infrasound'. I do think that it should be standard health and safety practice to 'scan' for low frequency emissions at sites where you get these pockets of unexplained maladies, it can't be that difficult?

There's a huge list of sound frequencies and their possible effects / resonances here: http://www.lunarsight.com/freq.htm

bassnation
19-06-2008, 09:35 PM
That Tandy story is really interesting. They did some follow up work on it too - found a very similar standing wave at another 'haunted' site.


From a book I picked up recently...

Resonance phenomena of the human body:
- rib cage ~60 Hz
- spine (axial mode) 10-12 Hz
- head (axial mode) ~25 Hz
- wrist 50-200 Hz
- abdominal mass 4-8 Hz
- eyeball, intra-ocular structures 30-80 Hz

and so on.

and thats not to mention a deeper resonation, less about vibration and more about deep emotional or semiotic recognition. ok, its not going to burst your blood vessels even thought its sometimes felt that intense in the middle of a rave.

bassnation
19-06-2008, 09:37 PM
Ah yes of course, going over old ground. I did a search for 'infrasound'. I do think that it should be standard health and safety practice to 'scan' for low frequency emissions at sites where you get these pockets of unexplained maladies, it can't be that difficult?

There's a huge list of sound frequencies and their possible effects / resonances here: http://www.lunarsight.com/freq.htm

talking about using sound as an offensive weapon, the bland maddingly repetitive train announcement chatter you get when commuting in the morning make my head throb when i'm hungover. even in the quiet carriage its turned up to eleven which i find way more offensive than a loud ipod. in fact i wear sound cancelling head phones not even playing music a lot in london in the morning, otherwise i'd end up attacking someone.

noel emits
19-06-2008, 09:38 PM
mate, i love this post - its gone off topic half way through which has to be a first.
Ha. Well I guess the topic is really 'possible sibliminal causes of psychological and physiological effects'. I just happened to be thinking about the two subjects. Might look a bit random but it's not!

bassnation
19-06-2008, 09:43 PM
Ha. Well I guess the topic is really 'possible sibliminal causes of psychological and physiological effects'. I just happened to be thinking about the two subjects. Might look a bit random but it's not!

people accuse me of this all the time. the association between topics makes perfect sense when you are prior to your own internal monologue, and if people can't keep up, well....

noel emits
19-06-2008, 10:05 PM
It's that old Sherlock Holmes maxim. If you've looked at all the usually accepted causes of a phenomenon and found nothing, you've got to start looking beyond that. I don't even think low frequency disturbance is that unlikely. I just get the feeling that most of these official investigators lack imagination.

bassnation
19-06-2008, 10:09 PM
It's that old Sherlock Holmes maxim. If you've looked at all the usually accepted causes of a phenomenon and found nothing, you've got to start looking beyond that. I don't even think low frequency disturbance is that unlikely. I just get the feeling that most of these official investigators lack imagination.

well, that sounds a lot more likely than "its those evil social networks" like as if bebo is all about assisted suicide rather than a bunch of teens chatting shit. but theres definitely something very weird about it. like i say, it was infinitely more depressing 20 years ago and you didn't have phenonoma like that going on. maybe the harder peoples lives are, the less suicides there are - look at sweden for fucks sake. i've got no figures or hard evidence to back up this theory other than idle conjecture, but this is teh internet and the bar is lower, everyone knows that.

Mr. Tea
19-06-2008, 11:21 PM
maybe the harder peoples lives are, the less suicides there are - look at sweden for fucks sake.

Yeah, I've always thought this whenever people talk about Sweden like it's some kind of socialist utopia. Although the country's high latitude and correspondingly long, dark winters have to be taken into account, I guess.

hucks
20-06-2008, 12:03 AM
And the fact that 30 countries have higher suicide rates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Mr. Tea
20-06-2008, 12:18 AM
And the fact that 30 countries have higher suicide rates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

It's still nearly twice as high as ours, despite almost daily headlines about how drunk/stoned/shallow/slutty/violent/stupid/indebted we all (allegedly) are.

But let's face it, neither us nor our Nordic chums hold a candle to the ex-Eastern Bloc countries in the suicide stakes.

hucks
20-06-2008, 01:30 PM
It's still nearly twice as high as ours, despite almost daily headlines about how drunk/stoned/shallow/slutty/violent/stupid/indebted we all (allegedly) are.

But let's face it, neither us nor our Nordic chums hold a candle to the ex-Eastern Bloc countries in the suicide stakes.

Yeah, first thoughts turn straight to post Communist dislocation, but I wonder if there's a longer term trend? Be hard to get reliable data from that time from eg the USSR, I should think. Five year suicide target met in four years!

noel emits
24-06-2008, 11:01 PM
Suicides 'Linked To Phone Masts' (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/49330/Suicides-linked-to-phone-masts-%5B/b%5D)

The spate of deaths among young people in Britain’s suicide capital could be linked to radio waves from dozens of mobile phone transmitter masts near the victims’ homes.

Dr Roger Coghill, who sits on a Government advisory committee on mobile radiation, has discovered that all 22 youngsters who have killed themselves in Bridgend, South Wales, over the past 18 months lived far closer than average to a mast.

Mr. Tea
25-06-2008, 12:36 AM
Suicides 'Linked To Phone Masts' (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/49330/Suicides-linked-to-phone-masts-%5B/b%5D)

The spate of deaths among young people in Britain’s suicide capital could be linked to radio waves from dozens of mobile phone transmitter masts near the victims’ homes.

Dr Roger Coghill, who sits on a Government advisory committee on mobile radiation, has discovered that all 22 youngsters who have killed themselves in Bridgend, South Wales, over the past 18 months lived far closer than average to a mast.

It's subconscious cerebral absorption of bitchy text messages and happy-slapping videos, innit.

noel emits
25-06-2008, 02:07 AM
It's subconscious cerebral absorption of bitchy text messages and happy-slapping videos, innit.
Could be.

John C. Lilly interviewed by Rebecca McClen & David Jay Brown (http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/lillyint.html)

RM~DB: Do you think that the brain acts as a transceiver?

John Lilly: Yeah, that's right. The brain, the biocomputer, is a huge transmitter/receiver, and we're just beginning to see what it is. Have you ever seen anything like a TV show on ketamine? They're real. The first time I saw that I thought, "My God, all we're doing is increasing the sensitivity of the brain to microwaves." And the problem with microwaves is that they're influencing us below our level or awareness all the time. This morning for instance, on ketamine, I went into this place where all these people were interacting and I got involved. When I came back I realized that I had got into a soap opera on TV and was taking part in it as if it was reality!

Now kids must do this all the time. Marvelous! But you've got to watch out because you may be taken in and think they're extraterrestrial or something, unless you can see something that cues you in that this is a TV station.

Mr. Tea
25-06-2008, 01:43 PM
This morning for instance, on ketamine...

Hahaha, John Lilly's life summed up in six words. :)

noel emits
25-06-2008, 08:31 PM
Potential program idea for Richard & Judy.

Mr. Tea
25-06-2008, 08:53 PM
Potential program idea for Richard & Judy.

I'd buy THAT for a dollar!

http://www.thefader.com/blog/files/buyfordollar.jpg

noel emits
25-06-2008, 09:26 PM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/52/186696323_958c1e506c.jpg?v=0

"Let's see who's, through the k-hole!"

bassnation
26-06-2008, 01:15 PM
"Let's see who's, through the k-hole!"

LOL. yes, thats what we need - ketamine-themed daytime tv. wonder if anyone would notice. certainly not john lilly, as he'd be part of it! i wonder if he also communes with the fruit & veg when he does his weekly shop at sainsburys, on ketamine.

Mr. Tea
26-06-2008, 01:25 PM
A few years back I went with a mate to visit a mutual friend of ours from university who'd gone back to live with his folks in Kettering. The town's near-homophony with a dissociative anaesthetic was not lost on us.

bassnation
26-06-2008, 01:28 PM
A few years back I went with a mate to visit a mutual friend of ours from university who'd gone back to live with his folks in Kettering. The town's near-homophony with a dissociative anaesthetic was not lost on us.

were you tempted to get ketted up in kettering?

Mr. Tea
26-06-2008, 01:36 PM
were you tempted to get ketted up in kettering?

The event we attended was our mate's 21st in the local social club, so it was a pints-of-lager-and-shots-of-Aftershock kind of affair, rather than a dirty squat rave bash. Sadly.

mms
27-06-2008, 09:17 AM
Yeah, I've always thought this whenever people talk about Sweden like it's some kind of socialist utopia. Although the country's high latitude and correspondingly long, dark winters have to be taken into account, I guess.

isn't that swedish high suicide rate a massive slander on sweden via president Eisenhower:


'Sweden is quite far down in the European suicide table, in 15th place. Yet people abroad still tend to describe us as being more suicide-prone than others. The source of the rumour is a speech given by US president Dwight D Eisenhower in 1960, in which he claimed that “sin, nudity, drunkenness and suicide” in Sweden were due to welfare policy excess. People soon forgot the link to welfare policy, but Ike’s suicide label spread round the world.'

leftys see..

Mr. Tea
27-06-2008, 12:24 PM
Looking at the modern data it does seem that Sweden's rate is only slightly higher than the USA's (13.2 vs 11 per 100k people per year), though the relative rates almost 50 years ago could have been very different. You're right that Sweden has a bit of an undeserved reputation as a global suicide hotspot, especially compared to some E. European and Asian countries, and I'm pleasantly surprised to see how far down the list the UK is, actually.

IdleRich
27-06-2008, 01:29 PM
"well, that sounds a lot more likely than "its those evil social networks" like as if bebo is all about assisted suicide rather than a bunch of teens chatting shit."
I remember reading some creepy short story about those social network "suicide groups". Basically one participant was meeting up with members and killing them because he knew he could get away with everyone thinking it was a suicide.


“sin, nudity, drunkenness and suicide” in Sweden were due to welfare policy excess
If that's true then bring on the welfare excess I say.

Mr. Tea
27-06-2008, 01:54 PM
I doubt there's that much drunkenness in Sweden these days, you can only buy booze from special state-run shops and it costs a fortune. Though maybe it's one of those places where everyone makes their own moonshine from apple cores and potato peelings.