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Alfons
23-06-2008, 01:23 AM
three different views on the role and importance of detroit in techno:
http://mnmlssg.blogspot.com/


The comments sections are interresting (if a bit anal...). While I like a lot of the music the purism and elitism around detroit is really some of the worst Ive ever come across! I don't understand why its so powerfull in the minds of a lot of people and why it matters so much. Whats the deal with 313?

Ory
23-06-2008, 09:16 PM
If we take Detroit techno to mean the combination of soul and machines/futurism, then yes, it was very important. But not many people seem to be doing that outside of Detroit, especially these days.

European forms/derivatives of techno would definitely have happened without Detroit. But, D-tech will always be there in the background, influencing those who know and care. They deserve respect for keeping at it while Europe was pumping out crap like big beat and supersaw-mega-trance.

Dance music as a whole needs to pull itself out of this hole of uninspired bullshit. I mean, fuck, any sense of funk has even been shunned out of house music in favour of farty basslines and stripped down, plodding nonsense.

Will Detroit be our saviour? Maybe not, but it'll always be there to remind us that soul has its rightful place in dance music. And that's why it's still relevant after 25 years.

Poisonous Dart
23-06-2008, 09:39 PM
I though this was about the fact that Detroit is currently the Mecca Of Hip Hop right now. I guess I was wrong.

One.

petergunn
24-06-2008, 08:41 AM
I though this was about the fact that Detroit is currently the Mecca Of Hip Hop right now. I guess I was wrong.

One.

oh simmer down and revel in the celtics victory...

http://a633.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/126/l_b5119ce7c9efebabe9ff61811ba42488.jpg

Bang Diddley
24-06-2008, 09:53 AM
in terms of techno detroit has continued to push new sounds that are subsequently copied/incorparated more mainsteam dance.

moodymann - daftpunk/cassius that french filtered house sound
trance - red planet more or less came up with what is generally termed as trance
minimal - robert hood

michael
24-06-2008, 10:28 PM
If we take Detroit techno to mean the combination of soul and machines/futurism, then yes, it was very important. But not many people seem to be doing that outside of Detroit, especially these days.

Fair point, but I have to say someone like Jeff Mills or T-1000 never seemed much about "soul" in any way that I could pin down. I mean "soul" as a musical lineage, not as a nebulous descriptor like "warmth" or "feeling" or whatever.

I guess it's irrelevant though, it's about big picture stuff...

mms
24-06-2008, 10:35 PM
in terms of techno detroit has continued to push new sounds that are subsequently copied/incorparated more mainsteam dance.

moodymann - daftpunk/cassius that french filtered house sound
trance - red planet more or less came up with what is generally termed as trance
minimal - robert hood

and alot of electro, wonky electronic hip hop etc.
Detroit innovated a kind of africanised bright and fruity utopian electronic music and an industrialized electronic funk on the dystopian side. Someone like Jeff Mills has a machine tooled funk rather than a connection to soul imo.
I think if i'm to be honest the Detroit stuff is my favorite as i like music with a genuine sense of funk, there isn't as much good stuff as there was though.

noel emits
24-06-2008, 10:49 PM
Haha, fruitopian! It's true, I love 'Hi-Tech Jazz', but boy is it fruity.

mms
25-06-2008, 12:59 PM
Haha, fruitopian! It's true, I love 'Hi-Tech Jazz', but boy is it fruity.

yeah that ones fruity - maybe i should have said citrus y - bright but bitter-sweet.

noel emits
25-06-2008, 06:08 PM
If Detroit Techno is grounded in funk then why are so many of it's curators and fetishists such tight assed prissy motherfuckers?

General question to the room.

Corpsey
26-06-2008, 01:40 PM
^ see also: Hip-Hop ^

Not to mention the futurist/soul-of-the-machine rhetoric that surrounds techno is what tight arsed prissy curators thrive on.

DJ PIMP
26-06-2008, 03:01 PM
yeah... drexciyan comic book imagery and Underground Resistance etc

mistersloane
26-06-2008, 04:05 PM
curators and fetishists such tight assed prissy motherfuckers?
.

because curators are tight arsed prissy motherfuckers! Curation is the definition of anal! Will to mastery, overdesire to look at things...It's how it is how it is.

What we need is loose curation.

bassnation
26-06-2008, 04:13 PM
three different views on the role and importance of detroit in techno:
http://mnmlssg.blogspot.com/


The comments sections are interresting (if a bit anal...). While I like a lot of the music the purism and elitism around detroit is really some of the worst Ive ever come across! I don't understand why its so powerfull in the minds of a lot of people and why it matters so much. Whats the deal with 313?

yeah and everyone knows the uk rave mythos is much cooler anyway. fuck the purists! but it is kind of fun baiting them, and theres so much material. derrick may (hysterical self-aggranisement, appalling rate of production, patchy djing, obnoxious behaviour - alledgedly) - nuff said. URs preposterous over-serious galactic announcements, lost as some kind of church to the kick drum filled with hawtin clones and not nearly enough girls in fluffy bikinis. rich material indeed.

bassnation
26-06-2008, 04:19 PM
European forms/derivatives of techno would definitely have happened without Detroit. But, D-tech will always be there in the background, influencing those who know and care. They deserve respect for keeping at it while Europe was pumping out crap like big beat and supersaw-mega-trance.

what a load of fucking nonsense. theres loads more to uk flavas than big beat, and detroit dropped the ball a long time ago, probably cos they started beleiving their own BS. and if you want real soul in US dance music you should look equally towards chicago (and if you open those floodgates, then why not philly and a million other places). thats the problem with this mythology, theres holes in it that you can drive an articulated lorry through. its just one small piece of the puzzle and i really don't accept that they are the root of everything good and great, sorry.

don't get me wrong, i love a lot of old detroit djs and records, but my heart is with the uk underground, always has been.

mistersloane
26-06-2008, 05:40 PM
but my heart is with the uk underground, always has been.

I went to see Yazoo last week in Brighton. The sound was fantastic, some of the best live sound I've ever heard, there was so much space you could swim in it.

mms
26-06-2008, 10:37 PM
and not nearly enough girls in fluffy bikinis. rich material indeed.

yuk.:(

noel emits
26-06-2008, 10:44 PM
I went to see Yazoo last week in Brighton. The sound was fantastic, some of the best live sound I've ever heard, there was so much space you could swim in it.
And apparently VC has gone from being Mr. 'I've got every synth ever made' to just using a Macbook and a couple of keyboards.

Where was the gig, at The Dome?

mistersloane
26-06-2008, 11:13 PM
And apparently VC has gone from being Mr. 'I've got every synth ever made' to just using a Macbook and a couple of keyboards.

Where was the gig, at The Dome?

At the Brighton Centre, horrible place. He'd resequenced all of the stuff, resisting the temptation to 'beef' any of it up and it just sounded pristine, amazing. Awful visuals.
They were my Joy Division though so I just stood there and cried.

Mind you (getting back on track although I think talking about Yazoo is on track, but...) alot of early techno does that for me as well. I find alot of Derrick May's stuff unbearably sad, and I miss that, I don't find that with minimal that I've heard. Beyond a point stuff gets too banging to be sad.

mms
27-06-2008, 09:10 AM
At the Brighton Centre, horrible place. He'd resequenced all of the stuff, resisting the temptation to 'beef' any of it up and it just sounded pristine, amazing. Awful visuals.
They were my Joy Division though so I just stood there and cried.

Mind you (getting back on track although I think talking about Yazoo is on track, but...) alot of early techno does that for me as well. I find alot of Derrick May's stuff unbearably sad, and I miss that, I don't find that with minimal that I've heard. Beyond a point stuff gets too banging to be sad.

the yazoo connection is yazoo's 'situation' is sampled in nude photo.
yep i'm listening to relics now, one thing that people forget is that it's ultra intricate and abstract and extremely rhythmic in a way that minimal is never. Some of the strings definitely sound like very sad, course there is all that trippy pitch bending which gives the music a weird smeary feel at times.

mms
27-06-2008, 09:13 AM
URs preposterous over-serious galactic announcements, lost as some kind of church to the kick drum filled with hawtin clones and not nearly enough girls in fluffy bikinis. rich material indeed.

hawtins not from detroit though and the whole self-mythos of ur was fantastically imaginative, esp drexciya.
must admit that mid 90's i did switch some of my allegiance to jungle but there were and still are some amazing records coming out of Detroit.

Bang Diddley
27-06-2008, 10:36 AM
Some Detroit records effect me in a way most of the newer stuff simply doesn't.
desire - 69
winter on the boulevard - derrick may
i wanna be there - model500
urban tribe - covert action
can easily put a lump in my throat, even from the very first listen. so its not a sentimental thing.

The percussion and the strings has a lot to do it. So there is something that those guys manage to capture. but and its a big but, it does not mean that that vibe is exclusive to Detroit. Aril Brika, The Black Dog, B12, Kirk Degregario etc can all touch it too. Skream did it with Emotionally Mute, that tune is a 'king badman!

I dont mind all the scifi and mythos. It just helps with the context like the Drexicyans being ocean living offspring of Africans thrown of slave ships on the way to America. I see it as an affirmation of black identity on techno music.

Cliff Thomas of Submerge has responded to the original poster here . . .

http://mnmlssg.blogspot.com/2008/06/back-to-detroit-part-4-of-3-part-series.html

bassnation
27-06-2008, 01:02 PM
yuk.:(

that was a joke btw, although i do think lost sums up the indie student side of dance music, theres something about those mega-serious techno nights that exclude any kind of glamour. i'm not one of those people who think clubbing is just about music (or drugs come to that). lost seems very monochrome to me, but what would i know. everytime i've been there i've lasted an hour before leaving to go somewhere more interesting.

fokse vektaire xeven
27-06-2008, 01:04 PM
Detroit's produced some of the best house music ever made in the last 10+ years. The Three Chairs axis- Theo Parrish, Omar S, Rick Wilhite, Marcellus Pittman, KDJ etc etc. Pretty much all the FXHE and sound signature 12"s are great, and its not a sound you find elsewhere. Plus there have been some decent UR 12s in the last year or two that show them broadening out their palette a little.
A fair amount of the myth i suppose is predicated on the conditions and appearance of the city itself. A kind of living ghost town.

bassnation
27-06-2008, 01:04 PM
Some Detroit records effect me in a way most of the newer stuff simply doesn't.
desire - 69
winter on the boulevard - derrick may
i wanna be there - model500
urban tribe - covert action
can easily put a lump in my throat, even from the very first listen. so its not a sentimental thing.


yeah and its precisely those strings that sound fucking tired to me. its like the producer wants a pavlovian response "this tune is supposed to be emotional". its as lazy a signifier as any other hoary old cliche in dance music. techno from elsewhere is way more alien and twisted imo. its not burdened with a sense of its own importance.

mms
27-06-2008, 01:27 PM
that was a joke btw, although i do think lost sums up the indie student side of dance music, theres something about those mega-serious techno nights that exclude any kind of glamour. i'm not one of those people who think clubbing is just about music (or drugs come to that). lost seems very monochrome to me, but what would i know. everytime i've been there i've lasted an hour before leaving to go somewhere more interesting.

god i don't think detroit techno fans are indie students - quite the opposite!
My experience at university was total hostility to the music,

agree about hardcore monochrome of any shade, any style, i've never actually been to lost and yet i like detroit techno - probably for those very reasons you state, very serious idolatary, but i don't think lost is particularly good at showing off what it is Detroit has to offer and that's a fair few shades of techno.

noel emits
27-06-2008, 01:35 PM
yeah and its precisely those strings that sound fucking tired to me. its like the producer wants a pavlovian response "this tune is supposed to be emotional". its as lazy a signifier as any other hoary old cliche in dance music. techno from elsewhere is way more alien and twisted imo. its not burdened with a sense of its own importance.
I agree. That's what I meant about prissy neo-Detroit fetishists, still using M1 string sounds or whatever. It's just an unreal form of expression. What those guys were doing in the early days of techno was a product of how they felt and the kind of cheap 80s equipment they had. I know of real people who don't consider stuff to be 'proper techno', or even good music unless it totally follows those same patterns, sounds and keys. It's just the same as old rockers who can only listen to Elvis or something.

mistersloane
27-06-2008, 05:07 PM
alien and twisted

I know what you're saying, but it's sooo easy to make something sound alien and twisted, I'm just like 'oh well done, you made a poo', y'know? What did you want that poo to mean and do, that's what I like hearing, the perpetual shock of the new wears very thin.

bassnation
27-06-2008, 08:26 PM
Detroit's produced some of the best house music ever made in the last 10+ years. The Three Chairs axis- Theo Parrish, Omar S, Rick Wilhite, Marcellus Pittman, KDJ etc etc. Pretty much all the FXHE and sound signature 12"s are great, and its not a sound you find elsewhere. Plus there have been some decent UR 12s in the last year or two that show them broadening out their palette a little.
A fair amount of the myth i suppose is predicated on the conditions and appearance of the city itself. A kind of living ghost town.

well, some of that stuff you mention is awesome and some of it so-so (everything moodyman has done since that planet e comp is distinctly patchy and every album is slightly weaker than the last imo) but the best house music ever? not a chance in hell. that stuff is a technoheads idea of house music. it would take too long to namecheck all the US house dons and everyone knows who they are anyway - marshall jefferson, frankie knuckles, larry levan, phuture (and esp. dj pierre) etc etc. people who aren't afraid to do proper songs as well as tracky loopy shit.

of course, the wildcard in all this is carl craig - there you can easily make the case that the paperclip people project has produced some of the best house ever.

bassnation
27-06-2008, 08:29 PM
I know what you're saying, but it's sooo easy to make something sound alien and twisted, I'm just like 'oh well done, you made a poo', y'know? What did you want that poo to mean and do, that's what I like hearing, the perpetual shock of the new wears very thin.

your poo is alien and twisted? ;)

yeah of course, too much of anything good is erm, bad. but personally thats what i like. of course you need something to throw the alien shit into sharp relief which is why the chicago house djs always trump their detroit counterparts. songs and fucked up mentalism. what more could you ask for?

plus emotive strings all night long make me want to puke. sorry, but they do.

sodiumnightlife
28-06-2008, 12:57 AM
thing is though, while the detroit purists are horrible and boring, the people who make the music generally aren't quite like that. I mean, you get a few, but if you listen to Parrish djing then it's very very far from emotional strings all night. I'm ultra suspicious of any mythologising really, but Detroit puts out enough good records to make it someplace special in my mind. However, it doesn't blot out every other city in the world ever, and that's where the purists get it wrong...

The good detroit techno was always about pulling on a load of diverse references and making it sound like some completely new shit, and I think some detroit producers still do that, especially Omar S.

dubble-u-c
28-06-2008, 07:01 AM
your poo is alien and twisted? ;)

yeah of course, too much of anything good is erm, bad. but personally thats what i like. of course you need something to throw the alien shit into sharp relief which is why the chicago house djs always trump their detroit counterparts. songs and fucked up mentalism. what more could you ask for?

plus emotive strings all night long make me want to puke. sorry, but they do.

who in detroit only plays emotive strings on all of their tracks?

mms
28-06-2008, 10:40 AM
your poo is alien and twisted? ;)



plus emotive strings all night long make me want to puke. sorry, but they do.

you don't need to as no detroit dj has ever done that.
also you're really stereotyping a small part of detroit techno in a way - from a long time ago - it's a much broader church than that, - there aren't even that many detroit tracks with emotive strings - - it's the electronic funk that 's the coining element of the detroit sound

stelfox
28-06-2008, 01:45 PM
i've just been listening to stardancer off the martian's red planet 2 ep. no matter how canon-smashing you want to be, this is possibly one of the best records ever made, as is the riot ep, as is mills' seawolf as world power alliance, as is robert hood's first minimal nation EP, as is jaguar and so much more. hell, the interstellar fugitives comp is one of the strongest showings for techno in history - and it's as funky you like, too. whether some of its fans are idiots or not, detroit is maybe, just perhaps a little bit important.

noel emits
28-06-2008, 02:24 PM
a little bit important.
It's just this kind of excessive hyperbole that really bugs people about Detroit techno fanatics. ;)

luka
28-06-2008, 02:38 PM
how come london doesn't have a myth like detroit techno and new york hiphop? thats my favourite city for music over the last almost 20 years by a long way. i think london kills it.

noel emits
28-06-2008, 02:55 PM
What Detroit managed to achieve was giving the impression of having a definable zero point, a moment where a new future vision was born. I guess a lot that came from the Electrifying Mojo but Cybertron were brilliant realtime mythologisers. In fact that's almost what defines all those Detroit guys, how aware they were of creating mythologies.

Clear our display
Clear, today

London's myths are so big you can barely see them, and multiple. Where does London as music city start, soho jazz clubs in the 50s?

mms
28-06-2008, 04:27 PM
how come london doesn't have a myth like detroit techno and new york hiphop? thats my favourite city for music over the last almost 20 years by a long way. i think london kills it.

course it does but not to the uk

bassnation
28-06-2008, 06:28 PM
i've just been listening to stardancer off the martian's red planet 2 ep. no matter how canon-smashing you want to be, this is possibly one of the best records ever made, as is the riot ep, as is mills' seawolf as world power alliance, as is robert hood's first minimal nation EP, as is jaguar and so much more. hell, the interstellar fugitives comp is one of the strongest showings for techno in history - and it's as funky you like, too. whether some of its fans are idiots or not, detroit is maybe, just perhaps a little bit important.

i love those records too - i'd add to that sex in zero gravity by eddie flashin fowlkes, a track that does bring me to tears actually but not because of mawkish strings, but more such a powerful wave of nostalgia for times lost (and how different my life is now in comparision) that its almost like a punch to the guts. people laud nostalgia but its not always a pleasant feeling.

so yeah i love all that, and i am not arguing that they don't deserve plaudits. but not to the extent where uncritical worship allows those artists to churn out shit and people lapping it up, which lets be honest is the state of play for some (but by no means all). you know some people have their year zero with paul oakenfold et al "discovering house music in ibiza". some people have it in detroit, some people chicago, or paradise garage. picking any one moment as the root of everything, the baseline standard with which all subsequent music is judged is always going to be full of holes, maybe its not the point. maybe i'm as guilty of that as anyone else is, except of course mine is hardcore and i am right where others are wrong (natch).

don't really like jaguar either, its a late synthesis of those mawkish elements that might have seemed real ten years earlier - its probably the most cynical record to come out of the UR stable and i tend to leave clubs when it drops because the difference between that and euro trance is ZERO. i've got loads of UR and related tracks here in front of me, on vinyl, but there was definitely a moment where it jumped the shark. i still buy their stuff sometimes, but its no longer "buy on sight" which is a pity. as abe duke so memorably said, "detroit - what the fuck happened?"

bassnation
28-06-2008, 06:32 PM
you don't need to as no detroit dj has ever done that.
also you're really stereotyping a small part of detroit techno in a way - from a long time ago - it's a much broader church than that, - there aren't even that many detroit tracks with emotive strings - - it's the electronic funk that 's the coining element of the detroit sound

when you say electronic funk, do you mean stuff like hi tech jazz? cos that was the turning point where i stopped loving their output.

i'm not down totally on techno, i reckon i've been to the same places as you over the years, loved the same djs and probably bought many of the same records. this is the kind of criticism only someone who cares can give. i am just turned off by pomposity and self-aggrandisment in any genre.

bassnation
28-06-2008, 06:35 PM
you don't need to as no detroit dj has ever done that.
also you're really stereotyping a small part of detroit techno in a way - from a long time ago - it's a much broader church than that, - there aren't even that many detroit tracks with emotive strings - - it's the electronic funk that 's the coining element of the detroit sound

and i tell you what i'm also finding a bit boring, which was fresh initially is all the myriad basic channel copyists. for a genre thats supposed to be so left field theres a huge amount of generic grainy scratchy dub-by-numbers techno workouts. however, moaning about the ratio of quality is an issue with any music as we know. i'd still rather listen to it than babyshambles, for sure, but its kind of irritating when even left field out there stuff becomes mapped out and predictable. i'm thinking mike huckabee, echospace even. i've got a hard disk full of the stuff, some of it is great but over an hour of it is an underwhelming deja-vu prone experience.

viktorvaughn
01-07-2008, 03:52 PM
I think Inner City's Ahnongay gets a nice plaintive melancholy without being cheesy.

john eden
01-07-2008, 04:34 PM
how come london doesn't have a myth like detroit techno and new york hiphop? thats my favourite city for music over the last almost 20 years by a long way. i think london kills it.

it's being worked on...

;)

Perhaps London falls down by having produced so much awesome stuff.

Berlin has a myth attached to it purely because of basic channel, pole et al - presumably because it is all in the same ballpark.

For London "The 'nuum" (TM) has to battle it out with punk, post-punk, brit pop, the Beatles, etc in a way other places don't.

Tho I guess you can argue that Detroit also had Motown to contend with tho...

IdleRich
01-07-2008, 04:41 PM
"For London "The 'nuum" (TM) has to battle it out with punk, post-punk, brit pop, the Beatles, etc in a way other places don't."
Why do you say the Beatles for London - do you think that's how the rest of the world sees them or that they were adopted by London or what?


"Tho I guess you can argue that Detroit also had Motown to contend with tho..."
And the Stooges, MC5, Funkadelic, Eminem etc

Bang Diddley
01-07-2008, 04:45 PM
phew john. . as well as motown,

people like iggy pop and other non dance artists, non of which i can think of at the moment. duh !

noel emits
01-07-2008, 04:50 PM
Except, I think that across the pond, which is where Detroit techno first made it's mark, most of those artists, even Motown, were not so closely associated with the word 'Detroit' by the casual observer, that was still up for grabs you know.

IdleRich
01-07-2008, 04:54 PM
"Except, I think that across the pond, which is where Detroit techno first made it's mark, most of those artists, even Motown, were not so closely associated with the word 'Detroit' by the casual observer, that was still up for grabs you know."
I reckon Motown (and the Motor City 5) were surely associated with Detroit by most - and even if not by the casual observer it probably isn't the casual observers who create and worship the myths.

noel emits
01-07-2008, 04:57 PM
It's about the word association. Motown is Motown Records, not Detroit Records. So you can still claim the Detroit.com domain so to speak. That's what I think anyway.

john eden
01-07-2008, 04:57 PM
Why do you say the Beatles for London - do you think that's how the rest of the world sees them or that they were adopted by London or what?

And the Stooges, MC5, Funkadelic, Eminem etc

Well the Beatles were based in London at the peak of their international success, but I used them mainly as shorthand for beatles/stones/swinging sixties stuff really.

I can see Detroit had similar individual bands/artists over the same time period but not movements - which I think is what you need before a myth can be created.

Martin Dust
01-07-2008, 09:59 PM
That's not correct Jon, they did have a movement and a party scene, all of Detroit listening to The Wizard or Mojo, all the prep party action, the MI, the Scene TV program etc etc - they just don't report the same as the UK press - it was a proper outsider movement if you ask me.

IdleRich
02-07-2008, 09:10 AM
"That's not correct Jon, they did have a movement and a party scene, all of Detroit listening to The Wizard or Mojo, all the prep party action, the MI, the Scene TV program etc etc - they just don't report the same as the UK press - it was a proper outsider movement if you ask me."
I think he's saying that other detroit music apart from techno didn't have a scene in the same way as techno. I reckon though that you might make a case for The Stooges and MC5 growing out of some kind of garage scene involving ? and They Mysterians and, er, others.

john eden
02-07-2008, 09:28 AM
I think he's saying that other detroit music apart from techno didn't have a scene in the same way as techno. .

Yeah sorry if that wasn't clear.


I reckon though that you might make a case for The Stooges and MC5 growing out of some kind of garage scene involving ? and They Mysterians and, er, others.

I think you could make that case but it hasn't be done yet...

What I am getting it is:

Myth = location + musical movement + media reportage

IdleRich
02-07-2008, 09:54 AM
"I think you could make that case but it hasn't be done yet..."
Well, just to be argumentative, I stuck "garage scene detroit" into google and it came up with this on wikipedia


"Detroit was a center of the 1960s garage rock scene, with such legendary bands as The Amboy Dukes (featuring guitarist Ted Nugent), The Bob Seger, Question Mark and the Mysterians, the MC5, and Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels. In the 1970s, Seger, Nugent, Alice Cooper, and Grand Funk Railroad (from Flint, Michigan) were popular rock stars."
But I accept it hasn't been eulogised in the same way.

Pestario
02-07-2008, 10:20 AM
What I am getting it is:

Myth = location + musical movement + media reportage

Can't grime fit into that model?

Bang Diddley
02-07-2008, 10:30 AM
maybe of interest to those who like lists . . .

top 100 records to come out of detroit

http://metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=12036

Martin Dust
02-07-2008, 12:43 PM
I think he's saying that other detroit music apart from techno didn't have a scene in the same way as techno. I reckon though that you might make a case for The Stooges and MC5 growing out of some kind of garage scene involving ? and They Mysterians and, er, others.

Google Jit, it just doesn't get reported but that doesn't mean there's no scene - ask anyone from Detroit about when the Wizard was on the radio, the whole city just about stood still.

john eden
02-07-2008, 01:07 PM
Can't grime fit into that model?

well I hope so but it's let down by the lack of media coverage, which is the final stage in the mythologisation.

You can see the beginnings of it though with papers like the Telegraph and all sorts reviewing the "an england story" compilation. But basically grime doesn't really appeal to the people in the media who make the myths as yet.

Bang Diddley
02-07-2008, 01:46 PM
i think the media has already made a myth in that grime = violence, it will no doubt take a while for it to loose that stereotype despite plenty of anti violence sentiments in grime.

or the artschool crowd start influencing the media in some way. dunno really.

hamarplazt
02-07-2008, 08:34 PM
http://metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=12036

82 "Strings of Life" Rhythim is Rhythim (Transmat) 1985

This most famous of all Derrick May productions was made with processed piano, layered beats and other effects. Though it seems rather tame today, 20 years ago it was considered the zenith of the electronic dance avant-garde. May clearly took inspiration from Chicago house, gaining cred when DJ Frankie Knuckles apparently played it seven times in a row at the famed Power Plant. But the track really exploded as a staple on outdoor festival sound systems in the UK and in the evolving dance club scene all over Europe. (WW)

Wow, that's actually a pretty accurate and level headed description of this track, quite a surprise. Don't know how big it was in europe outside of the UK, though, personally I've never heard it played anywhere. It might have been played before I got into techno around '91/'92, but in that case nobody seemed to remember it by then.

Bang Diddley
03-07-2008, 11:36 AM
yeah it was nude photo and the dance that were played late 80's. i think strings came more popular with all the piano house coming in the early 90's. i think strings is over rated tbh.

jambo
05-12-2008, 08:28 PM
High Tech Soul: The Creation of Techno Music

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mms
06-12-2008, 04:02 PM
i'm going to see theo parrish tonight and i don't expect monochrome, wishy washy strings, basic channel copyists or anything like that.

Bang Diddley
08-12-2008, 09:54 AM
^^ Nice one Jambo. Ive seen a doc called High Tech Soul a few years ago but the one above seems different looking at the first 10 mins or so. I'll take a look at home.

The recent Theo Parrish CD is pretty good, real murky house but its mostly old material.

jambo
08-12-2008, 02:29 PM
It might be the same doc with some new footage. The Derrick May interview seems a bit older but Richie Hawtin has hair, for instance. ;)