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Benny B
13-08-2008, 07:54 PM
It appears there has never been a thread about R Kelly on dissensus before and it bothers me. There's certainly a lot to talk about! ;)

Just recently acquired the entire discography of R Kelly and have been working my way through it with much pleasure. Faves so far include:



Get up on a room

Chocolate factory (the song and the album)

Make up to break up feat. Jay-Z

Ignition remix (obviously)

I like the crotch on you (!!!)

Bump n grind


...but there's lots more. A year ago I was mocking R Kelly and now I think his music's great. His lyrics are just so funny and ridiculous, but he still manages to sound heartfelt somehow. And then of course the recent court case...:slanted:

Anyway, please go ahead and discuss the man and his work before I embarrass myself any further

jonny mugwump
13-08-2008, 08:12 PM
No no, you are totally OTM.

And, never mind the music...

Have you seen the two dvd's of Trapped In The Closet his Hip Hopera?

It is pure weirded-out genius- genuinely hilarious, surprising and (at the end of dvd 2) shockingly poignant.

i was in the same boat as you- totally taking the piss and then my wife played me Chocolate Factory (Same Girl is so funny, such a riot) and then we both saw Trapped...

Seriously, everybody on Dissensus has to see this.

STN
13-08-2008, 09:28 PM
it's all about Your Body is Callin' and A Woman's Threat. Wicked, wicked stuff.

noel emits
13-08-2008, 09:37 PM
What kind of 2-bit operation do you think you are dealing with here?

http://dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=1677

Actually it's not much of a thread. It deserves more. Trapped In The Closet is kind of astonishing, and while I'm not sure if that's necessarily a good thing, it's fairly rare.

gumdrops
13-08-2008, 09:46 PM
no no NO, its all about....

your bodys calling (and the remix), are you ready, sex me (lol), step in the name of love (not the remix), happy people and various songs hes done for other artists. always liked aaliyahs version of the isleys at your best you are love that he produced - not much diff from the original but i love her version anyway. some good changing faces, sparkle, MJ songs to check out too.

Benny B
13-08-2008, 09:56 PM
Yet to see all of trapped in the closet, just the first couple of episodes. Absolutely bonkers...I'll have to get around to watching the rest of these soon, I think they're all on youtube. Doesn't Bonnie Prince Billy crop up in one of them? I know he covered The world's greatest on his last album.

Anyway back to R Kelly...You heard the album he did with Jay-z, 'The best of both worlds'? Keep coming back to that one.

Amplesamples
13-08-2008, 10:01 PM
R Kelly has done some wicked tunes - couple I remember back in the day were Vibe and Bump N Grind.

Did Bump N Grind at a karaoke recently, it brings the house down (the acapella beginning is so stupendous). Of course it's impossible to do without a bit of dutch courage first (or some amazing vocal talent which I don't have). People still cheer it anyway.

Happy People is a lovely track. Your Body's Calling too.

It was all about the 12 play album when I was at school.....

Trapped in the closet is amazing. Only recently realised that the cop from Trapped In The Closet is Omar Little from The Wire!!!!!

Benny B
13-08-2008, 10:14 PM
Did Bump N Grind at a karaoke recently, it brings the house down (the acapella beginning is so stupendous). Of course it's impossible to do without a bit of dutch courage first (or some amazing vocal talent which I don't have). People still cheer it anyway.



Love it!:D You're a brave man...

Corpsey
13-08-2008, 10:33 PM
Sex in the kitchen
Over by the stove
Put you on the counter
By the buttered rolls

The genius is in the details.

The genius is also in doing a song where he talks about getting so drunk in the club that he throws up and then carries on drinking. Can't think of any other RNB singer that would say something like that!

Mainly the genius is in the melodies, though. I genuinely think he's amazing. There's a very strong level of appreciation which is all about how absurd he is, but it isn't just that.

jonny mugwump
13-08-2008, 10:44 PM
The melodies are sublime and subtle, his music these days being pretty stark and economical so everything just has its perfect place.

I know the absurdity gets bigged up but then its rare to find that level of lyrical brilliance in R&B or any form of pop music at the moment and whats more is that if you don't pay it any attention it just sounds like the usual G business. Like the man said, its in the details.

Benny B
13-08-2008, 11:00 PM
Mainly the genius is in the melodies, though. I genuinely think he's amazing. There's a very strong level of appreciation which is all about how absurd he is, but it isn't just that.

Yeah, I didn't mean this to be a guilty pleasures thread. The man's produced an amazing body of work, his tunes are mint. He's unique. Nobody on earth can do slow jams better than R Kelly.

staypuft
13-08-2008, 11:08 PM
Did Bump N Grind at a karaoke recently, it brings the house down (the acapella beginning is so stupendous). Of course it's impossible to do without a bit of dutch courage first (or some amazing vocal talent which I don't have). People still cheer it anyway.

yeah I love to bust that intro out every once in a while. rock on good sir!

DJ PIMP
14-08-2008, 03:19 AM
Fucking and peeing on minors or not, Kells is great... Vibe, Ignition, I'm a Flirt, etc.

Love the humour and playfulness.

simon silverdollar
14-08-2008, 08:30 AM
Yet to see all of trapped in the closet, just the first couple of episodes. Absolutely bonkers...I'll have to get around to watching the rest of these soon .

you really do need to check the later episodes. the bonkersness goes into completely another level- it gets so sprawling and ridiculous and then kind of collapses in on itself, with all these connections between disparate characters being drawn all at once. it's great.

r kelly is a genius in the truest sense of the word, i think.

didn't someone out of Hot Chip once run a club night that only played R Kelly songs?

it's a bit obvious, may be, but my favourite r kelly moment is the 'bouce, bounce, bounce, bounce' refrain on 'ignition'; so simple, but sublime.

luka
14-08-2008, 08:57 AM
yeah too much r kelly hits to mention, watch as, nonchalantly, he treads the border between genius and insanity

mos dan
14-08-2008, 09:01 AM
didn't someone out of Hot Chip once run a club night that only played R Kelly songs?

idk but hot chip used to do what seemed like mostly weirded-out amateur prince covers. i saw them supporting beans at 93ft e many many years ago and there is no *way* i'd have picked them out for success haha.

okay so, i need to know what more to get from kells. lots of individual song recommendations on here, but albums? most of the stuff i have is random recent hits with jeezy/ti/whoever... gems like 'i'm a flirt'. or if people have clips they want to put up.... this is a random one, but also one of my all-time favourite songs according to last.fm :eek: :cool:

r kelly - feeling on yr booty (jitset remix)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rzcy6t

jitset's a bit of a genius himself imo

trapped in the closet cop = omar from the wire! omg you're right!

luka
14-08-2008, 09:12 AM
r&b and albums don't belong together....
i think someone mentioned sparkle, be careful is one of my all time favourites, such a gorgeous song...

slackk
14-08-2008, 09:36 AM
"The Zoo" is a personal favourite. That whole last album is batshit/brilliant to be honest.


r kelly - feeling on yr booty (jitset remix)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rzcy6t

YES!
Ha, used to play this out all the time before I got bored of DJing anything other than grime and stopped getting booked.

I've got a bass-heavy remix of Sex In The Kitchen that's sick as well, can't remember who did it off the top of my head. And the jungle rmx of "Body's Calling".

But, I digress. He's a don.

Corpsey
14-08-2008, 10:06 AM
What does everyone think ''The Package'' is in TITC?

Me and my mate reckon it's AIDS. That way everyone is going to die, because they've all fucked each other.

Amplesamples
14-08-2008, 10:27 AM
worth checking out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapped_in_the_Closet

as it summarises all the plots from all the Trapped In The Closet Episodes.

Also, it gives you cliffhanger lines from each episode.

Hence my new signature:

Corpsey
14-08-2008, 10:48 AM
lol that bit is so good, the way he teleports backwards into the cupboard.

Audacity is the key.

craner
14-08-2008, 10:51 AM
Kelly is mysteriously called 'Keith' in this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSYYw69yx84). And Nivea is not being properly supervised. I expect 'Keith' really enjoyed this video.

Benny B
14-08-2008, 01:13 PM
This is a beautiful song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZFv4_rJrsY

Amplesamples
14-08-2008, 01:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJBIT67Ri9A

this is amazing, particularly the last 20 seconds or so.

Is R Kelly really unaware of how absurd he is? If he is aware, it's the most finely pitched act I've ever seen.

His lyrics were always a little over the top, but in recent years he seems to have really gone for broke. Can anyone identify when he started going a little more OTT?

Benny B
14-08-2008, 02:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJBIT67Ri9A

this is amazing, particularly the last 20 seconds or so.



Ha! The munch crunch remix!

Love that 'squelch' sample that he uses in the rhythm track. He's a great producer.

Benny B
14-08-2008, 02:26 PM
This is just outrageous:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAma3rhqWLA&NR=1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAma3rhqWLA&NR=1

When he starts fanning his crotch you won't know where to look :eek:

Amplesamples
14-08-2008, 02:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-QQG_BXSVU

I honestly was laughing for two minutes after R's verse on this


Incredible

Benny B
09-11-2011, 10:45 PM
http://www.factmag.com/2011/11/09/r-kelly-rides-the-soulacoaster-the-best-autobiography-title-of-the-year/

version
19-03-2019, 01:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07yZF2lM1y0

other_life
19-03-2019, 02:40 AM
he totally did it

Corpsey
19-03-2019, 08:25 AM
lol that bit is so good, the way he teleports backwards into the cupboard.

Audacity is the key.

I'd like to retract these comments in light of recent events - that bit wasn't good, it was sinister, and audacity was the crime.

On a serious note, is it weird that two of the biggest pop/rnb stars of all time (though of course r kelly is a mere midget to MJs colossus) were/are sexually so fucked up? Obviously, everybody knows that artists are weird, fucked up people, so perhaps it isn't weird at all. To be blessed with such talent and cursed with such libidos (perhaps because they were abused as children themselves), it's probably just random chance, but gives pause for thought.

CrowleyHead
19-03-2019, 10:51 AM
I know I get a reputation for cracking on you a lot but the attempt to forge a connection between being child abuse victims and their sexual misconduct is really ill-thought and bumbling. Please refrain from stuff like that while trying to make sense out of the fact that you got greater enjoyment out of those songs than you felt guilt for victims you never knew until there were highly publicized Exposes.

sadmanbarty
19-03-2019, 11:14 AM
Poor corpse

sadmanbarty
19-03-2019, 11:16 AM
I know I get a reputation for cracking on you a lot but .

The most misleading thing Iíve ever read. I thought you were about to be nice. My guard went down.

luka
19-03-2019, 11:18 AM
Poor corpse

:crylarf: speciLly as everyone in the world liked r Kelly before the revelations, even famous rad fem benny b and cos there are extensive well documented links between child abuse and later predatory sexuality, there's not even any basis for the attack!

sadmanbarty
19-03-2019, 11:19 AM
Surviving Crowleyhead

luka
19-03-2019, 11:26 AM
Makes me feel paternal, "if he's hit you son don't come crying to me, you go over there and you whack him twice as hard"

sadmanbarty
19-03-2019, 11:29 AM
Me and corpse are going to film our pressplay video outside crowlís local chicken shop. Do a Snapchat if us driving past his mumís flat.

Thatíll show him.

sadmanbarty
19-03-2019, 11:34 AM
Remix to Ignition, corpse keeps getting a kicking

sufi
19-03-2019, 06:50 PM
I'd like to retract these comments in light of recent events - that bit wasn't good, it was sinister, and audacity was the crime.

On a serious note, is it weird that two of the biggest pop/rnb stars of all time (though of course r kelly is a mere midget to MJs colossus) were/are sexually so fucked up? Obviously, everybody knows that artists are weird, fucked up people, so perhaps it isn't weird at all. To be blessed with such talent and cursed with such libidos (perhaps because they were abused as children themselves), it's probably just random chance, but gives pause for thought.

Erm Race issues part of that picture perhaps?

Just to clarify: idk about guilt obvs, but neither state nor mob justice is exactly a level playing field, more likely to be a factor than weird random chance anyway, imho

craner
19-03-2019, 07:07 PM
But this stuff has been fairly obvious since Aaliyah back in 1993? Did nobody else find the late in the day Lady Gaga cancellation ridiculous? She was either very stupid or very cynical.

craner
19-03-2019, 07:22 PM
Gaga exploited the shade of controversy I reckon. Until it became a criminal certainty. Cynical.

thirdform
12-05-2019, 11:41 PM
You guys are struggling because of that shitty right wing deleuzianism that exalts the biopolitics of the racialised body over agitprop, seeing it as more organic rather than its own kind of prison where the abject choakhold of masculinity is made desirable and superseeding of the collective political consciousness. It does reinstate the cartesian dualism, but white men are able to occupy a privileged position in this Cartesianism, but it itself is not superseeded.

It's a constant bugbear of critics isn't it. black music is a surrogate for their own raciological theorisations whereas white music is seen as just inherently for white people, but then it all becomes a text and you either get the uncritical oh it's just fat beats man or the greg tate kind of thing (i actually ain't read any tate but i can predict what his argument is) that the platonic ideal of *the text* is revolutionary, politically poignant or subversive. A lot of pop music is very, very unethical, far more than road rap which always seems to trip up critics for whatever reason.

Leo
13-05-2019, 12:23 AM
I have no idea what your first paragraph means, granted I'm rather dim. can you explain your point in more basic terms?

thirdform
13-05-2019, 12:53 AM
it's sexuality as a jackhammer to enforce patriarchal conformity isn't it.

Like yes the religious dualism of free your mind and your ass will follow was problematic, but at least it acknowledged the truth that race based thinking is constituted (though not exclusively) as mental constructs.

thirdform
13-05-2019, 02:52 AM
all i was trying to say is that seeing the artist as mad or depraved kind of lets the underworld mechanics of the industry off. the criminals in pop music actually understand peoples desires and political sentiments more than underground music fans.

That's the way to analyse it imo, not so much spiritual militancy vs materialism. the fact is underground music fandom is self-isolating to achieve that spirituality. but probably good to let this thread die off.

Basically, celebrating sexuality in pop music is a dead end and is less morally sufficient than enjoying it as pop music. once you believe the pop ethos you've been dooped. thhis is why i don't understand poptimism really, it's like yay patriarchal bourgeoisie hello we love you.

Not that i side with rockism in this debate, but... im gonna quote this post in the thread concerning this and hopefully it will die off. now to find the thread...