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Buick6
19-10-2008, 06:54 AM
Do their reviews dictate which 'indie' bands make it in the USA?

Are they like an on-line NME/Melody Maker??

Not sure how good their 'reviewers' are, but it's kinda scary
how much power they have in American indie circles...

DJ PIMP
19-10-2008, 08:57 AM
PFM has been subject to a great deal of ire for those exact reasons.

I don't understand how people can read their reviews and not become enraged. Truly horrible "this is your brain on indie", eyeball stabbing stuff. Agony without ecstasy.

swears
19-10-2008, 03:21 PM
A couple of the specialist columns like Blackdown's and Philip Sherbourne's are good, and Tom Ewing writes a review now and again, but generally it is pretty dire.

swears
19-10-2008, 03:25 PM
Some good downloads this month in Sherburne's column too!

http://pitchfork.com/article/feature/146496-the-month-in-techno

bassbeyondreason
19-10-2008, 08:06 PM
Melody Maker

*insert ageist comment*

datura
19-10-2008, 08:31 PM
I've found a fair amount of good music from it and they review and cover a wide range of music.

Some of the writing is pretentious tripe, but you could say the same for a lot of music journalism.

Sick Boy
19-10-2008, 09:53 PM
One thing I can't stand is how people swear by their lists ("Best albums of the 70s" etc.). I've met people whose ideas of what makes up canon material is virtually dictated by Pitchfork's idea of it, and if you try to argue against it (I, for one, will never believe that 'The Moon and Antartica' is classic anything), they become very very upset indeed.

The main problem with Pitchfork is how people rely on it so heavily that their ideas of the music they listen to are already decided by the articles they read before they even hear it. Many indie rockers that I've met seem to hate being one-upped or caught not knowing something someone else does, so a lot of them rely on Pitchfork as a cred bible of sorts. Which is obviously a problem with ALL music journalism, but Pitchfork in particular appears to have a much stronger influence on the readership than most music journalism.

Sick Boy
19-10-2008, 10:08 PM
David Cross, by request of Pitchfork, does his "Top Ten Records":

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/10279-guest-list-david-cross-albums-to-listen-to-while-reading-overwrought-pitchfork-reviews

:D

mms
19-10-2008, 10:19 PM
they're ok but they love pavement, i really really hate pavement.

straight
20-10-2008, 05:44 PM
and fucking modest mouse. much as they probably deny it. they were horrible about morgan geist too so they can bog off

nomadthethird
20-10-2008, 07:52 PM
they're ok but they love pavement, i really really hate pavement.

seconded they're kind of like an american indie-rock Oasis

This conversation seems about 8 years out of date, but Sick Boy is right, Pitchfork is really geared toward people who like music as a set of cultural signifiers of their own coolness and "in-the-know" abilities more than they care about music as something sonic. I always get the sense when I read pitchfork that like very few of their writers actually play music. Of course you don't have to play music to know about it, but what's missing is any creative engagement with music beyond "I live in Austin, Texas and I want to know which old and new bands I should name drop to impress people"

Remember when Pitchfork got all into post-punk, only to start bashing anyone who liked it a year later for being trendspotting lemmings? I do...

straight
22-10-2008, 11:57 AM
i think they pull a fair bit of water here amongst hairy ATP ballbags

john eden
22-10-2008, 12:04 PM
I only ever read Stelfox and Blackdown on there.

josef k.
22-10-2008, 05:07 PM
But don't all magazines function to produce canons, and make tastes?

Is the argument here that Pitchcork has especially bad taste?

nomadthethird
22-10-2008, 06:15 PM
Um, if that's why they exist, then you've just explained exactly why I have no interest in reading music journalism. Especially trad rock crit.

nomadthethird
22-10-2008, 06:33 PM
David Cross, by request of Pitchfork, does his "Top Ten Records":

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/10279-guest-list-david-cross-albums-to-listen-to-while-reading-overwrought-pitchfork-reviews

:D

that was the funniest thing I've read in forever

josef k.
22-10-2008, 07:08 PM
Um, if that's why they exist, then you've just explained exactly why I have no interest in reading music journalism. Especially trad rock crit.

I don't know if that's why they exist, but I think they do end up doing it. Same as critical theory, and the marketing thereof. I wonder what the alternative model would be. Fine-writing critics to be read for their own sake?

mms
23-10-2008, 08:08 AM
that was the funniest thing I've read in forever

Jesus fuck me yes that really is the worst they have to offer i hope.

There was a time when they did have a broader remit on music, accepting and writing about all sorts of things they don't now, it's very much a site for established indie labels in the uk and us, with a slant towards us indie. Featuring music that isn't indieish seemed to stop as they grew, although the specialist pages are good.

their top 100 records of the 90's you could predict totally, and two pavement records in the top 10. I tell you i really do hate pavement, hearing their music makes me genuinley angry.

BareBones
23-10-2008, 11:31 AM
i'm gonna stick up for pavement here, i don't listen to them these days but i was well into them as a teenager and i'm pretty (well, very) glad that i was listening to them rather than britpop at the time. plus, i got into loads of other cool bands via them.

and pitchfork is shite for the most part, but nothing compared to the monstrosity that is drowned in sound.

sodiumnightlife
23-10-2008, 11:34 AM
and pitchfork is shite for the most part, but nothing compared to the monstrosity that is drowned in sound.

Amen to that. Pitchfork are ok. Some of it pisses me off admittedly, but really I do value certain reviewers opinions on certain albums. I am guilty of doing that thing though where you click on a review and go "oh only 5.8? Probably won't read the review then."

BareBones
23-10-2008, 11:48 AM
yeah, sadly i've done that too, i've just lost all my underground cred in two posts.

but while i'm at it, i admit what i'm much more guilty of is reading reviews that slate music that i know i hate already. Not to reinforce my own opinions though, just because i think it's funny to read reviews slagging off music i don't like.

STN
23-10-2008, 12:30 PM
I really don't mind Pavement, though Stephen Malkmus is a bit like a supply teacher. All my plaidshirt-n-beard ire is reserved for the likes of Bonnie Prince Billy.

baboon2004
23-10-2008, 12:48 PM
I think Pitchfork is OK for catching up on US indie, which I don;t realyl have much access to otherwise. Also it flags up a good deal of Scandinavian pop that I like.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/38063-the-month-in-grime-dubstep

This might really belong in the thread on funky, but, well, any site that even hosts writing as good/inspirational as this is good enough for me.

Mr. Tea
23-10-2008, 01:06 PM
It's a crying shame SomethingAwful doesn't host its 'fake' frontpages any more, one of them was a PFM pisstake called 'Richdork Media' and was absolutely superb.

mms
23-10-2008, 02:18 PM
I really don't mind Pavement, though Stephen Malkmus is a bit like a supply teacher. All my plaidshirt-n-beard ire is reserved for the likes of Bonnie Prince Billy.

well bonnie prince billy really is a guy with a career on borrowed time but at least he always has a really unneccessary and explicit reference to some kind of sexual act on each of his albums. But pavement, with their plaid shirts and general can't be bothered to not let the dribble run down my cardigan from my useless mouth and lyrics like ' oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god' make me seeth with anger.

Sick Boy
23-10-2008, 03:29 PM
It's a crying shame SomethingAwful doesn't host its 'fake' frontpages any more, one of them was a PFM pisstake called 'Richdork Media' and was absolutely superb.

Hahaha, this thread prompted me to try unsuccessfully to look for that again as well. All about the sidebar with links to reviews that for the most part are all by Radiohead.

IdleRich
23-10-2008, 03:52 PM
"But pavement, with their plaid shirts and general can't be bothered to not let the dribble run down my cardigan from my useless mouth and lyrics like ' oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god' make me seeth with anger."
I remember listening to the radio once and they said that they were going to play a record by an unsigned band every day and at the end of the week you voted for your favourite or something. They then played the track and I idly thought to myself "what a turgid and uninspired load of mediocre nonsense, if that's all they can be arsed to come up with then they haven't got a chance in hell of winning this competition". Then the song finished and the dj said "that was the new one from Pavement, coming up we've still got the unsigned band competition.."

Mr. Tea
23-10-2008, 10:25 PM
Hahaha, this thread prompted me to try unsuccessfully to look for that again as well. All about the sidebar with links to reviews that for the most part are all by Radiohead.

Yeah, like the ratings guide that went from "10.0 - Must be Radiohead" to "Less than 1.0 - Hey, that ain't no Radiohead!". And the links to "Radiohead - the Tool remixes" and "Tool - the Radiohead remixes". :D

STN
23-10-2008, 10:33 PM
well bonnie prince billy really is a guy with a career on borrowed time but at least he always has a really unneccessary and explicit reference to some kind of sexual act on each of his albums. But pavement, with their plaid shirts and general can't be bothered to not let the dribble run down my cardigan from my useless mouth and lyrics like ' oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god' make me seeth with anger.

that's actually part of what annoys me for some reason. isn't harmone Korine involed somehow? That's not really on.

swears
23-10-2008, 11:18 PM
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swears
23-10-2008, 11:25 PM
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I hadn't really heard much Pavement, so I youtube searched them, and at first I was all like "WTF is this crap, it sounds like They Might Be Giants on valium." But now I'm sort of getting into them!

nomadthethird
24-10-2008, 12:40 AM
I don't know if that's why they exist, but I think they do end up doing it. Same as critical theory, and the marketing thereof. I wonder what the alternative model would be. Fine-writing critics to be read for their own sake?

But that's the thing, I can't help but feel that Pitchfork is staffed mostly with the kind of kids who went to colleges where you didn't get grades or any sort of constructive criticism from professors, just narrative "progress reports" and such. Had you turned in writing like that at my school, even in a creative writing course, there would have been red all over it, and lots of words like "clarify" and "word choice" in the margins.

PF's attempts at gonzo journalism entirely miss the point of gonzo journalism, which is that pretentious overwriting, purple prose, whatever, is lame. The more creative most PF writers try to get the worse their work reads...

I think there are a lot of bloggers whose writing on music interests me, and some of them contribute to mags and newspapers, but I just can't even wade through the bad stuff on PF to get to the good.

nomadthethird
24-10-2008, 12:46 AM
I hadn't really heard much Pavement, so I youtube searched them, and at first I was all like "WTF is this crap, it sounds like They Might Be Giants on valium." But now I'm sort of getting into them!

This is one sentence I never thought I'd read on a Swears post! Next thing you know Swears will be in the tank for the Pixies! hehe

I'll admit it, I owned Crooked Rain, and Wowee Zowee and even Terror Twilight when I was a teen, back when Pavement was relevant and whatever. What bothers me more than their sound is their fucking hardcore fans, though, who act like nothing but indie rock has any credibility.

STN
24-10-2008, 06:47 AM
When I was at university, gonzo journalism was always touted as the interest of various boys who wanted to appear desperately intense and at odds with the world. I think most of us were already a bit bored with Hunter S Thompson and his lame middle initial by then.

Yes, girls did always fancy these boys when they could have fancied me...

don_quixote
24-10-2008, 07:59 AM
the pavement are just bad fall rip offs

IdleRich
24-10-2008, 08:56 AM
"PF's attempts at gonzo journalism entirely miss the point of gonzo journalism, which is that pretentious overwriting, purple prose, whatever, is lame. The more creative most PF writers try to get the worse their work reads..."
For purple prose I don't think Laura Barton can be bettered, her columns are hilarious, eg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/jun/15/popandrock.thewhitestripes

STN
24-10-2008, 10:13 AM
I love her, it's always about sitting on some wretched porch listening to some stupid rock music and maybe going for a bloody drive.

STN
24-10-2008, 10:16 AM
should add here that i do like her other writing, it's the wistful open-road rock column i can't stand.

mms
24-10-2008, 10:19 AM
Yeah, like the ratings guide that went from "10.0 - Must be Radiohead" to "Less than 1.0 - Hey, that ain't no Radiohead!". And the links to "Radiohead - the Tool remixes" and "Tool - the Radiohead remixes". :D

yes but they're spot on as people genuinely think like this and alot of people hold radiohead up as a beacon of shining light and faultless brilliance, rather than a modern pink floyd.
like the only intellgent rock music choice is something rather prizzy, existentialist, musical and overblown. If you hate pop and rock that much go listen to something else.
gah.

optimum
24-10-2008, 10:41 AM
For purple prose I don't think Laura Barton can be bettered, her columns are hilarious, eg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/jun/15/popandrock.thewhitestripes

Ha ha, I went to that gig cos a friend had a spare ticket. I thought it was shit

wascal
24-10-2008, 11:00 AM
For purple prose I don't think Laura Barton can be bettered, her columns are hilarious, eg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/jun/15/popandrock.thewhitestripes

Jesus. That reads like Mary-Anne Hobbs talking about Burial on 20 e's

nomadthethird
24-10-2008, 06:55 PM
For purple prose I don't think Laura Barton can be bettered, her columns are hilarious, eg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/jun/15/popandrock.thewhitestripes

hahahahah omg

nomadthethird
24-10-2008, 06:57 PM
When I was at university, gonzo journalism was always touted as the interest of various boys who wanted to appear desperately intense and at odds with the world. I think most of us were already a bit bored with Hunter S Thompson and his lame middle initial by then.

Yes, girls did always fancy these boys when they could have fancied me...

yeah I was the A&E editor at my school and to my delight it was my role to send them the bad news that their writing sucked

nomadthethird
24-10-2008, 06:59 PM
Jesus. That reads like Mary-Anne Hobbs talking about Burial on 20 e's

Do you think Burial makes a Phoenix rise in Mary-Anne's belly?

Sick Boy
24-10-2008, 07:08 PM
When I was at university, gonzo journalism was always touted as the interest of various boys who wanted to appear desperately intense and at odds with the world. I think most of us were already a bit bored with Hunter S Thompson and his lame middle initial by then.

Yes, girls did always fancy these boys when they could have fancied me...

Hey now, there's nothing wrong with Hunter, but yes, there is a world wrong with people who have read Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and decided that being "gonzo" is the perfect answer to becoming a successful writer without actually being a good writer or having any ideas. This is the apathetic middle-class university student's dream: to become famous and admired without putting any of the work in.

It worked when Hunter did it, because he did it in a very unique and motivated way. It is laughable how some of these young writers actually believe that they alone are exciting enough to carry a story.

A girl I know is taking her graduate studies in journalism after an undergraduate degree in political science and writes in this sort of style. Her latest output was a months-long trip to South East Asia, and what happened to her there. Long story short: she got wasted with a bunch of European tourists and it was the third world so it was, like, totally fucked up.

:slanted:

swears
24-10-2008, 08:11 PM
There was a fresher at Liverpool uni a few years back who dressed at all times like Hunter S, with the cricket hat, yellow-lensed aviators and a cigarette in a holder (that he never actually lit).

Mr. Tea
24-10-2008, 08:22 PM
Her latest output was a months-long trip to South East Asia, and what happened to her there. Long story short: she got wasted with a bunch of European tourists and it was the third world so it was, like, totally fucked up.

:slanted:

Do you reckon she bumped into...no, I can't say it.

Mr. Tea
24-10-2008, 08:29 PM
There was a fresher at Liverpool uni a few years back who dressed at all times like Hunter S, with the cricket hat, yellow-lensed aviators and a cigarette in a holder (that he never actually lit).

Haha, no shit - I was talking about Liverpool just earlier to my girlfriend, who did her degree and PhD there, and she was telling me about the yawning cultural chasm, and no small amount of animosity, between the stoodents there (bearing in mid the existence of two other unis apart from Liverpool itself) and the general working-class native population. Hard not to see where that kind of divide comes from when considering people like your fresher dude here.

nomadthethird
24-10-2008, 08:29 PM
Do you reckon she bumped into...

MIA? ha

I was thinking recently that Sarah Palin is to the right as MIA is to Pitchfork readers: both are undeniably beautiful, sexy, whatever, with a great look, but both are one-dimensional characters whose politics are dodgy at best, downright scary at worst. Both are somehow perfectly emblematic of the "perfect female" according to their respective adoring crowds, but neither crowd acknowledges the inherent contradictions and hypocrisies in this adoration.

I could go on and on...

Sick Boy
24-10-2008, 08:37 PM
Do you reckon she bumped into...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/weekinpictures/media/getty_gary_glitter_405.jpg ?

bassbeyondreason
24-10-2008, 08:37 PM
I just dropped out of a creative writing course at Uni, see if you can guess why.

Sick Boy
24-10-2008, 08:39 PM
MIA? ha

I was thinking recently that Sarah Palin is to the right as MIA is to Pitchfork readers: both are undeniably beautiful, sexy, whatever, with a great look, but both are one-dimensional characters whose politics are dodgy at best, downright scary at worst. Both are somehow perfectly emblematic of the "perfect female" according to their respective adoring crowds, but neither crowd acknowledges the inherent contradictions and hypocrisies in this adoration.


Good point, and yes I totally agree. In general, people seem to always like the presentable idea of something, rather than the actual thing itself. Too gritty and time-consuming, and it's much easier (and pleasurable) to stand for something than to actually be it. This is what I hate most about the way people revere celebrities who try (however successfully) to operate on some higher political/cultural level. The devil is in the details.

nomadthethird
24-10-2008, 08:45 PM
There was a fresher at Liverpool uni a few years back who dressed at all times like Hunter S, with the cricket hat, yellow-lensed aviators and a cigarette in a holder (that he never actually lit).

at my school there were a lot of girls who dressed like a combination of courtney love and my great-grandmother, and they all had radio shows where they played riot grrl anthems for hours and hours...i was all like "the 90s called and they want their shitty music back!"

then there were the white guys who were convinced they were jamaican, i think every liberal arts college has those.

then in grad school i had to share buildings with parsons fashion design classes and they all dressed just like Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen. i swear they'd take people magazine and pick out the exact outfits...

Mr. Tea
24-10-2008, 08:47 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/weekinpictures/media/getty_gary_glitter_405.jpg ?


MIA? ha


Heh, both good guesses, but I was thinking of Max Goggarty.

swears
24-10-2008, 08:49 PM
Haha, no shit - I was talking about Liverpool just earlier to my girlfriend, who did her degree and PhD there, and she was telling me about the yawning cultural chasm, and no small amount of animosity, between the stoodents there (bearing in mid the existence of two other unis apart from Liverpool itself) and the general working-class native population. Hard not to see where that kind of divide comes from when considering people like your fresher dude here.

Yeah, if you go out on the lash in Liverpool, the city is very clearly designated into scally, yuppie and student. You don't want to wonder into a club like The Pleasure Rooms (http://www.pleasurerooms.net/) with collar length hair and skinny jeans.

nomadthethird
24-10-2008, 08:49 PM
Good point, and yes I totally agree. In general, people seem to always like the presentable idea of something, rather than the actual thing itself. Too gritty and time-consuming, and it's much easier (and pleasurable) to stand for something than to actually be it. This is what I hate most about the way people revere celebrities who try (however successfully) to operate on some higher political/cultural level. The devil is in the details.

Totally. I know this is petty but it really annoys me that "Paper Planes" is so wildly popular in the U.S. right now, because the only good part of the song is the Clash sample. And whenever I bring that up people are like "what? she didn't write that synth part?" I don't even like the Clash much, but jeeez.

Sick Boy
24-10-2008, 09:38 PM
Another instance of this sort of thing are art school students who want to project themselves as "artists" in their stature (eccentric, misfit "genius"es), but don't really care much at all for the actual development and creation of an artistic vision. There is a guy I live with in my shared house; he is a hyper-tense, and extremely nervous religious nut. A sweet enough guy but you can tell his general fear prevents him from having friends, getting girls, and generally fitting into society in such a way that would foster the admiration of young, hip people. I'm not sure they understand that truly being an "eccentric misfit" generally locks them out of the things they actually enjoy. I think it's sort of an affront to those actually awkward or unfortunate types, the way they take their enviable lifestyles for granted (this is essentially, for me, the main problem with "hipsters", but that's another story.)

On the other hand, I have a friend who is actually an extraordinarily gifted artist, and who likely has a long bright future ahead of him in the art game. To meet him he's a very funny, likeable, adjusted guy who mostly likes to talk about girls. So how did he achieve his genius? Well, he sleeps very little and devotes about 10 hours a week to himself, and the rest to tirelessly perfecting his craft.

You'd think this would be common sense.

nomadthethird
24-10-2008, 09:47 PM
Another instance of this sort of thing are art school students who want to project themselves as "artists" in their stature (eccentric, misfit "genius"es), but don't really care much at all for the actual development and creation of an artistic vision. There is a guy I live with in my shared house; he is a hyper-tense, and extremely nervous religious nut. A sweet enough guy but you can tell his general fear prevents him from having friends, getting girls, and generally fitting into society in such a way that would foster the admiration of young, hip people. I'm not sure they understand that truly being an "eccentric misfit" generally locks them out of the things they actually enjoy. I think it's sort of an affront to those actually awkward or unfortunate types, the way they take their enviable lifestyles for granted (this is essentially, for me, the main problem with "hipsters", but that's another story.)

On the other hand, I have a friend who is actually an extraordinarily gifted artist, and who likely has a long bright future ahead of him in the art game. To meet him he's a very funny, likeable, adjusted guy who mostly likes to talk about girls. So how did he achieve his genius? Well, he sleeps very little and devotes about 10 hours a week to himself, and the rest to tirelessly perfecting his craft.

You'd think this would be common sense.

You've hit on exactly why people dislike hipsters so much, which is really pretty simple: people with deeply held artistic ambitions look at hipsters, who are basically "image artists" and lack any natural or uncontrived talent for the arts, and see them as charlatans. Sometimes this takes the form of resentment, sometimes it takes the form of a more sincere cultural critique. But in the end, I can't think of any hipsters I know who would *really* want to be social outcasts (like you know Van Gogh or something...) nor are they willing to put in the time required to become a good artist if it's doesn't come effortlessly or "naturally"...they mostly want to be perceived as artists whether they can live up to that or not.

Of course, I think people in all demographics or population groups play the "perception" game socially, so it's not just hipsters...but hipsters seem to have the most ambitious pretensions most of the time.

Itchy & Scratchy
25-10-2008, 03:49 PM
It's a crying shame SomethingAwful doesn't host its 'fake' frontpages any more, one of them was a PFM pisstake called 'Richdork Media' and was absolutely superb.This? (http://www.somethingawful.com/fakesa/richdork/)

Mr. Tea
25-10-2008, 03:54 PM
This? (http://www.somethingawful.com/fakesa/richdork/)

You genius! I was trying to find it but I don't think you can get to it from the usual archive links on the SA frontpage any more, for some reason.

Edit: spffffft...


reviews

...............


Radiohead: Big Ugly Headed Thom Yorke Likes The Black Chicks, Oh Yeah

...............

Radiohead: President Bush, More Like President Push (Him Off A Cliff)

BareBones
26-10-2008, 10:03 AM
OMG, that fake banner ad at the top of the rich dork page almost made me piss myself! "Pain Funnel - I love this album so much I hate it!"

Buick6
02-11-2008, 08:32 AM
MIA? ha

I was thinking recently that Sarah Palin is to the right as MIA is to Pitchfork readers: both are undeniably beautiful, sexy, whatever, with a great look, but both are one-dimensional characters whose politics are dodgy at best, downright scary at worst. Both are somehow perfectly emblematic of the "perfect female" according to their respective adoring crowds, but neither crowd acknowledges the inherent contradictions and hypocrisies in this adoration.

I could go on and on...

There's a 10 storey high MySpace billboard (like most in the USA) of MIA next door to Amoeba records in LA.

I got diarrhea soon after seeing it.

ripley
03-11-2008, 04:00 AM
cue dissensus' biannual "why we must talk a lot about hating MIA in a way that doesn't assess her as a musician but as some kind of media experiment" discussion :slanted:

nomadthethird
03-11-2008, 04:24 AM
I think her image is much more interesting than her music, which sucks.

I'd be happy to go on at length about why, if you'd prefer.

Melchior
03-11-2008, 09:35 AM
See, I don't mind pitchfork. And I do have exposure to Pitchfork fans - I sit next to a very nice person who uses it as her music bible and listens to almost nothing but annoying, insipid indie rock.

But they have some good columns, cover some interesting music and this was genius: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/38853-jet-shine-on

Agent Nucleus
02-12-2008, 08:17 PM
reading pitchfork makes my nose bleed for some reason. i think it aggravates some kind of dormant evil in my soul. the only music critic i've really been paying attention to lately is alex ross:

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faustus
09-02-2009, 10:39 AM
whats happened to the grime & dubstep/ dancehall/ techno columns?

gumdrops
09-02-2009, 12:05 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/feb/07/hip-hop


Telepathe appear to be a sign of the times. Once, online music zine Pitchfork - a sort of bible for the serious indie rock connoisseur - sat cosily within its self-proclaimed parameters of guitars, unkempt beards and light irony. A couple of years back, though, hip-hop broke in Pitchforkland, ushering in a new editorial policy where Kanye West sits next to Arcade Fire, Lil Wayne rubs shoulders with Radiohead and fans - and bands - are comfortable walking the join.

Blackdown
09-02-2009, 12:15 PM
whats happened to the grime & dubstep/ dancehall/ techno columns?

they dont seem to want any for jan or feb. :(

faustus
09-02-2009, 12:38 PM
they dont seem to want any for jan or feb. :(

dickheads

claphands
09-02-2009, 04:24 PM
is there a reason there isn't a place I can click to browse all their past "this month in" columns? are they ashamed that they used to have something interesting and worthwhile on their site?

Blackdown
09-02-2009, 11:15 PM
yeah their site search is kinda crap so i built this link (http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p=site&#37;3Awww.pitchforkmedia.com+the+month+i n+grime%2Fdubstep) for my column

mos dan
09-02-2009, 11:35 PM
dickheads

seconded. and, if i may borrow from another dissensus thread, i would add that they are tossclumps.

nomadthethird
10-02-2009, 06:02 PM
The only time I ever lowered myself to writing to them was when somebody there fucking claimed that A Certain Ratio sucked because they were part of a general trend in the pointless fake nostalgia for post-punk among factory bands to "glorify the holocaust" or something equally stupid, because their name refers to something Hitler or sum1 said about Jews.

When in reality, anyone who knows anything instantly recognizes their name as A BRIAN ENO LYRIC you dumb fucks.

STN
10-02-2009, 06:57 PM
Further to this, were they not originally called A Certain Radio anyway?

claphands
11-02-2009, 05:05 AM
yeah their site search is kinda crap so i built this link (http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p=site%3Awww.pitchforkmedia.com+the+month+i n+grime%2Fdubstep) for my column

cheers, I should have thought to just use a google/yahoo search for that stuff

Alfons
18-02-2009, 09:35 PM
an interview about the pitchfork review of the animal collective lp
http://flavorwire.com/7091/critical-review-an-interview-with-pitchfork-managing-editor-mark-richardson-on-animal-collective-review

kind of meta-reviewing, seems weird... but still lets you in on how pitchfork "works" in a way I guess?


also for laughs, the hipster runoff post which deals with the same review amongst others (guessing there might still be 5 people on the entire internet that haven't seen this):
http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/2009/01/animal-collective-is-a-band-created-byforon-the-internet.html

mixed_biscuits
18-02-2009, 10:12 PM
Reviews should be conducted blind, using galvactivators to measure average and peak levels of arousal in a randomly chosen sample of critics over multiple auditions, in various contexts. Only then might one justify using decimal points in one's grading system.