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luka
27-11-2008, 11:05 AM
When I say the enemy i mean, broadly, in the sense of the enemies described in burroughs, the matrix, david icke, the invisibles etc etc. this was an idea i had never seriously entertained until recently. but im entertaining it now. its one of the most terrifying concepts ive ever encountered. sort of exciting, in a role play sort of way though i spose. its got obvious potential to tip you into outright howling paranoid lunacy but it also has a neatness to it. an efficiency. i like ickes metaphors. i mean, it simplifies things, who cares about raping the planet until there's nothing left to exploit if its simply a mine. a place you extract energy from and then return home to some distant planet. neat. tidy.
an enemy opertaing as much in psychic space as physical needless to say.
of course if there is such an enemy maybe i can induce them to enter into civilzied converation here in this neutral space. we can tell each other a bit about ourselves/ maybe some of you are agents of the enemy. maybe some of you have locked horns with the enemy. im not being fascetious here. im being at least half-way serious although the terror of the idea makes me stop half-way.

white cars trailing you through the night.

poetix
27-11-2008, 11:57 AM
PRISONERS, COME OUT.

Scientology is in its own way a variation on this - Burroughs's Nova Criminals are rather like body thetans. Which is not a coincidence.

poetix
27-11-2008, 12:00 PM
"Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action." - Auric Goldfinger, although I'm sure it's quoted in Burroughs.

poetix
27-11-2008, 12:13 PM
Reading Debord at present (it's about time); the spectacle presents "pseudo-conflicts" between various notional enemies, but is at the same time the projection of a single global system ("the globalisation of the false / the falsification of the globe"). Which strikes me as pretty gnostic really. The real enemy is...ta-daaah!...the demiurge, capitalism.

vimothy
27-11-2008, 12:36 PM
Debord is good copy. Best cyber-punk I ever read.

poetix
27-11-2008, 09:17 PM
Raise your fists to the child, teach him
space is infinite, the here and now
disposable. Move on. Salt of your tears
is sweetness - I glut, grow fat, split,
wriggle off-stage left and right.
My heirs inherit yours, fresh fodder.
I won't end, always back for more
battery and collusion, my answer
to everything. Your gut feeling,
your thin dread's my meat. I fuck
and eat, tenderize then dice.
I'm up for it. I'm staring you in the face.

slim jenkins
01-12-2008, 08:56 AM
The project: all human kind.

The endless procession of faces...the continual opening of the city never ending - eyes innumerable and the sense of mysterious grandeur.

People weave to and fro with no apparent purpose, glimpsing other phantoms, masks of men mortified - through streets, as if under an enchanter's rod, until emerging somewhere - the route of by-roads which forever brood in this monstrous inhumanity of reinforced concrete, silver blue reflective glass and fractured walls. Seeking a new life among the tower blocks, the sinister growth of houses, bridges, factories and decay.

The Babylonian grid-city wants memory - it will make it.

One step more in imagination - this changeless dream - reason all gone from mind.

Atrocities happen - the operator's input is scattered, filmed, photographed and edited.

We try to persist through time - reason all gone from mind. Systems work in dreams only – disordered - organically, unconsciously.

Spirits drift across all time...memories are active constructions, distorted - the human mind a host as it turns again and again in it’s bed to the old nocturnal melody of an anguished climate....

HMGovt
01-12-2008, 10:46 AM
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kz4AUHe1M

Mr. Tea
01-12-2008, 06:16 PM
People weave to and fro with no apparent purpose, glimpsing other phantoms, masks of men mortified - through streets, as if under an enchanter's rod, until emerging somewhere - the route of by-roads which forever brood in this monstrous inhumanity of reinforced concrete, silver blue reflective glass and fractured walls. Seeking a new life among the tower blocks, the sinister growth of houses, bridges, factories and decay.

The Babylonian grid-city wants memory - it will make it.

http://www.truemetal.org/metalwallpaper/images/allhail.jpg

Now then…
02-12-2008, 09:22 AM
i mean, it simplifies things, who cares about raping the planet until there's nothing left to exploit if its simply a mine. a place you extract energy from and then return home to some distant planet. neat. tidy.


Yes. And then there's the theory that due to our unrivaled thirst for destruction we actually make the best "compost" in the universe. Perfect for ploughing the fields before a fallow period.

slim jenkins
02-12-2008, 12:14 PM
What's the graphic from, Mr Tea?

Mr. Tea
02-12-2008, 12:56 PM
What's the graphic from, Mr Tea?

It's from the inlay of a CD called (appropriately) City, by a really super-ultra-over-the-top industrial-metal band named Strapping Young Lad. Not everyone's cup of tea ;), but it's a totally awesome album if you like that sort of thing.

slim jenkins
02-12-2008, 01:15 PM
Industrial metal? :slanted::D

Mr. Tea
02-12-2008, 01:59 PM
Industrial metal? :slanted::D

Yo, sent you a PM.

polystyle desu
02-12-2008, 02:18 PM
Topical listening : Feed The Enemy by Magazine

polystyle desu
03-12-2008, 04:39 PM
Luca, empty thy inbox !

luka
05-12-2008, 07:50 AM
done.

luka
11-11-2011, 06:18 AM
still undecided. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/07/one-per-cent-wealth-destroyers?commentpage=5#start-of-comments
monbiot believes in the Enemy.

slowtrain
18-11-2011, 05:36 AM
That was actually pretty interesting read.

I am a wannabe-schizotypal.

I want to bliev.

luka
17-05-2018, 10:09 AM
is there an Enemy?

one of the most important questions there is.

luka
17-05-2018, 10:18 AM
The enemy may be smiling, may possess, ‘an easy bonhomie’

DESTROY!

Corpsey
17-05-2018, 10:30 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

They walk among us

Corpsey
17-05-2018, 10:32 AM
Good people can do evil things, and do, all the time

But bad people exist (it's not their fault) and they're good at getting their hands on money and power

I propose routine brain scans to weed them out

They will then be helicoptered to a gigantic island - to be broadcast on Channel 4 nightly at 8-10pm

To fight it out amongst themselves for the only fitfully evil to laugh at

vimothy
17-05-2018, 11:25 AM
According to political philosopher and Nazi jurist Carl Schmitt the enemy is the basis of politics: “The specific political distinction … is that between friend and enemy.” (The Concept of the Political)

john eden
17-05-2018, 01:48 PM
The generals have a saying:
"Rather than make the first move
it is better to wait and see.
Rather than advance an inch
it is better to retreat a yard."

This is called
going forward without advancing,
pushing back without using weapons.

There is no greater misfortune
than underestimating your enemy.
Underestimating your enemy
means thinking that he is evil.
Thus you destroy your three treasures
and become an enemy yourself.

When two great forces oppose each other,
the victory will go
to the one that knows how to yield.

sadmanbarty
17-05-2018, 03:00 PM
According to political philosopher and Nazi jurist Carl Schmitt the enemy is the basis of politics: “The specific political distinction … is that between friend and enemy.” (The Concept of the Political)

when i was 12 i decided that i was going to be philosopher and the founder of a wide-ranging, comprehensive philosophy called 'contextualism'. that very notion was fundamental to the political philosophy of contextualism ('contextualism' also had epistemological and ontological theses contained within a similar framework).

vimothy
17-05-2018, 07:12 PM
when i was 12 i decided that i was going to be philosopher and the founder of a wide-ranging, comprehensive philosophy called 'contextualism'. that very notion was fundamental to the political philosophy of contextualism ('contextualism' also had epistemological and ontological theses contained within a similar framework).

tf does this mean barty? some kind of word salad diss - contextualism is fundamental to the philosophy contextualism? idk mate, what happened to the golden age of dissensus, thought we were all friends now

luka
17-05-2018, 07:18 PM
tf does this mean barty? some kind of word salad diss - contextualism is fundamental to the philosophy contextualism? idk mate, what happened to the golden age of dissensus, thought we were all friends now

i honestly thought he was in earnest :D

sadmanbarty
17-05-2018, 07:24 PM
tf does this mean barty? some kind of word salad diss - contextualism is fundamental to the philosophy contextualism? idk mate, what happened to the golden age of dissensus, thought we were all friends now

woah sorry vim, that's a real story. wasn't an insult or anything.

luka
17-05-2018, 07:28 PM
woah sorry vim, that's a real story. wasn't an insult or anything.

hes been abused so much in life its made him twitchy and paranoid.
sweating under a 3/4 length leather overcoat.

luka
17-05-2018, 07:28 PM
so when we offer love it feels like a threat.
)))))))):love:(((((((

vimothy
17-05-2018, 07:55 PM
i know mate, just trying to get some bantz going init

luka
17-05-2018, 07:56 PM
phew, you had us worried there mate

luka
17-05-2018, 07:57 PM
we;re trying to deradicalise you by offering love instead of ostracising you like those other people do.
STEP INSIDE THE CIRCLE OF LOVE.
(:love:)

vimothy
17-05-2018, 07:58 PM
does barty really wear a trench coat? hope so

vimothy
17-05-2018, 07:59 PM
but that is exactly like my radicalisation process!

luka
17-05-2018, 07:59 PM
i just followed your weird twitter account. at least we both
retweet esoteric exposal

vimothy
17-05-2018, 08:00 PM
esoteric exposal is a bit basic imo

luka
17-05-2018, 08:01 PM
does barty really wear a trench coat? hope so

barty, for reasons i find inexplicable, dresses like an ambitious 30 something in middle management.
white shirt (top button undone), grey scarf draped over shoulders but never tied up, comfort fit blue denim, black leather shoes.

luka
17-05-2018, 08:02 PM
esoteric exposal is a bit basic imo

yeah thats where we differ. you dont understand pulp.

vimothy
17-05-2018, 08:03 PM
barty is our man on the inside

firefinga
17-05-2018, 08:04 PM
FB would be at least somewhat interesting if there was also an enemy list.

vimothy
17-05-2018, 08:04 PM
ambitious 30 something in middle management, are they human

vimothy
17-05-2018, 08:06 PM
idk I feel like I understand pulp on some levels, but not aesthetically

luka
17-05-2018, 08:07 PM
boy-prodigy, one of the most in demand session drummers in the country, 23 years old, invented his own philosophy, more girlfriends than any of us have had hot dinners, and he dresses like someones trendy dad

luka
17-05-2018, 08:09 PM
i got really really stoned not long ago and developed this paranoid and very convincing theory that
he was an undercover reporter from Vice magazine working on a comedy expose of a moribund
internet forum.

sort of like how they go to provincial nightclubs and write articles taking the living piss
out all the simple people who dont know about cool clothes and music and stuff.

vimothy
17-05-2018, 08:10 PM
u dont know him, but he writes all of the annoying gingles that've been going round your head for the last couple of years

vimothy
17-05-2018, 08:10 PM
that could actually be true

firefinga
17-05-2018, 08:11 PM
i got really really stoned not long ago and developed this paranoid and very convincing theory that
he was an undercover reporter from Vice magazine working on a comedy expose of a moribund
internet forum.

sort of like how they go to provincial nightclubs and write articles taking the living piss
out all the simple people who dont know about cool clothes and music and stuff.

would be great if that actually was the truth, however provincial nightclubs have tons more grace and dignity than vice magazine

luka
17-05-2018, 08:11 PM
they do, but that doesnt stop vice sneering at them.

luka
17-05-2018, 08:12 PM
that could actually be true

the stoned part of my brain was 100% convinced.

vimothy
17-05-2018, 08:15 PM
"still online: luka vandross"

vimothy
17-05-2018, 08:15 PM
last of the bloggers

luka
17-05-2018, 08:21 PM
even the most insignificant, talentless, pointless wastrel contemporaries of his long ago
signed book deals with verso but he he doesnt care. hes loyal to his people. will never
leave them, neglect and penury be damned.

vimothy
17-05-2018, 08:43 PM
its a tale for the age

luka
17-05-2018, 08:48 PM
thats why vice sent a 23 year old reporter to butter me up

vimothy
17-05-2018, 08:53 PM
they can sense the story

droid
17-05-2018, 09:58 PM
thats why vice sent a 23 year old reporter to butter me up

Sounds convincing to me. The only way to know for sure is to transport him to a foreign land, ply him with psychoactives, bring him into the woods and freak the truth out of him.

luka
18-05-2018, 08:38 PM
the point with pulp is its the naked lunch. unsublimated. crude. closer the original energy source.

luka
19-05-2018, 08:13 AM
i can see poor old vimothy wants to play with us but he doesnt know how to join in. :( a question for the group-
how can i make it easier for people to play with us?
whats exclusionary or intimidating or offputting?

sadmanbarty
19-05-2018, 10:25 AM
i can see poor old vimothy wants to play with us but he doesnt know how to join in. :( a question for the group-
how can i make it easier for people to play with us?
whats exclusionary or intimidating or offputting?

cheeky bastard

luka
19-05-2018, 10:48 AM
too much male energy?

sadmanbarty
19-05-2018, 07:26 PM
don't get me wrong, i'm all for everyone talking about their feelings. i'm just a bit worried that you've posited it as a select few dissensians being the custodians of fun and joy and the rest clamouring for their approval. might breed resentment.

luka
19-05-2018, 07:53 PM
don't get me wrong, i'm all for everyone talking about their feelings. i'm just a bit worried that you've posited it as a select few dissensians being the custodians of fun and joy and the rest clamouring for their approval. might breed resentment.

yes i was feeling very stressed and tense and irritable and it came out in a bad way. thank you for reminding me.

luka
19-05-2018, 07:58 PM
i've always felt vimothy has much more to offer but haven't been able to find a way to coax it out
of him. i reckon he's got a good brain but he's wasting it on things like university and maths
and economics and the dark enlightenment.

i get frustrated with craner for smiliar reasons. does that make more sense?

luka
20-05-2018, 06:28 AM
i get what youre saying barty. when you can't bulldoze your way through, you have to use the arts of seduction.

it's a valuable point. i will remember.

vimothy
20-05-2018, 10:22 PM
I think we should talk about why barty still hasn't written this article, personally

sadmanbarty
20-05-2018, 10:35 PM
i've always felt vimothy has much more to offer but haven't been able to find a way to coax it out
of him. i reckon he's got a good brain but he's wasting it on things like university and maths
and economics and the dark enlightenment.

i get frustrated with craner for smiliar reasons. does that make more sense?

don't see that with craner myself. every time he's on here it's magic, feels like a party. any reluctance of his is a bonus; the way he blushes when you tell him he's got a big dick is part of the fun. his constant ducking and diving between sensible authority figure and mischievous younger brother is the best social energy and platform for our type of fun.

sadmanbarty
20-05-2018, 10:49 PM
i've always felt vimothy has much more to offer but haven't been able to find a way to coax it out
of him. i reckon he's got a good brain but he's wasting it on things like university and maths
and economics and the dark enlightenment.

i get frustrated with craner for smiliar reasons. does that make more sense?

on dissensus there are two very different approaches to intellectual stimulation.

i think me and you find people talking about their ideas (anyone by the way, not just dissensians) a bit blase and not particularly stimulating. we're more interested by their psychology and their relationships with other people. we're looking at what someone's opinion about chaka kahn says about their sexuality, their relationship with their parents, their racial attitudes, how they talk, how they dress, their politics, their class, their drugs choices, friends, geography, etc. we prefer to talk obtusely, figuratively and economically because we're essentially talking about things that aren't concrete or tangible. we can only talk about this stuff in innuendos and allusions. vim spends most of his time on here giving the impression that human cognition is so inherently flawed that any quest for objective truth is worthless, so i think he's of a disposition where he'd get a lot out of this type of thing. unfortunately he views us like a poor man's chuckle brothers so we haven't reached him yet.

as for everyone else, they're more interested in more traditional forms of intellectualism. luka, be happy to coexist. both ways of doing things are valid. we tipped the balance too much our way before, so we've adjusted. no need to seek converts.

luka
21-05-2018, 06:55 AM
you take charge for a bit barty. i need to let my magical powers replenish.
ive lost my special secret centre, slipped off perch
i will correct it and come back

Corpsey
21-05-2018, 10:11 AM
i get what youre saying barty. when you can't bulldoze your way through, you have to use the arts of seduction.

it's a valuable point. i will remember.

Does this explain why you're always negging Mr Tea?

Mr. Tea
21-05-2018, 11:31 AM
Does this explain why you're always negging Mr Tea?

Oh, he knows how to get me hot under the collar, all right...

Leo
21-05-2018, 01:15 PM
just sounds like pub banter to the rest of us. ;)

craner
23-05-2018, 10:55 PM
I've just got back from sailing around the Caribbean, I'm raring to go! What's the debate? Antonioni vs. Sex? Hall & Oates vs Doom?

craner
23-05-2018, 10:57 PM
Why not to drink when jet lagged, and Tuesday and Wednesday turn into one long day, and returning to England feels like suicide?

luka
23-05-2018, 11:18 PM
we missed you mate. englands been great. tropical weather. i bet i got a better tan than you have.

craner
23-05-2018, 11:31 PM
Fuck off, I look gorgeous!

luka
23-05-2018, 11:34 PM
i bet... but im more tanned. im out 24/7 every single day sitting in scorching sunlight, basting myself,
bronzing.

luka
23-05-2018, 11:35 PM
its been lush out here and its up to 25 degrees this weekend. cant wait.