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Tentative Andy
05-03-2009, 03:04 PM
What is the key to this? Is it to do with finding tracks where the bpms are multiples/divisions of each other?

(Obv not talking about things which + or - 5 from each other or whatever, talking about how to do fairly major shifts).

Sick Boy
05-03-2009, 03:18 PM
Grime DJs who have taken to mixing funky into their sets, like Spyro and Maximum, have tackled this problem by buying Pioneer CDJ-1000s which have wider pitch control than regular turntables. I believe they also let you change the tempo without changing the pitch.

Grievous Angel
05-03-2009, 03:21 PM
Things like house and jungle don't really work together.

But reggae and r'n'b at 80-90 work with jungle at 160-180.

And dub, hiphop etc at 65-70 works with garage / dubstep at 130-140.

Anything with a 4x4 pulse works ok together, disco, house, techno, etc, maybe even steppers reggae, but watch out for the beat on the third beat.

So you're looking at half-tempos.

Tentative Andy
05-03-2009, 03:31 PM
Things like house and jungle don't really work together.

But reggae and r'n'b at 80-90 work with jungle at 160-180.

And dub, hiphop etc at 65-70 works with garage / dubstep at 130-140.

Anything with a 4x4 pulse works ok together, disco, house, techno, etc, maybe even steppers reggae, but watch out for the beat on the third beat.

So you're looking at half-tempos.

Thanks Paul. That was more or less how I was thinking it would work. :D
Yeah I've already encountered the fast breakbeats/fast non-breakbeats clash - like a flight of stairs falling down a flight of stairs, etc.

droid
05-03-2009, 04:14 PM
It only works with half speed, so a 90 bpm hip hop tune will go into a 180 jungle tune, or 140 techno tune will mix with a 70 dub tune.

1210's give you about +/-10 bpm to play with. CDJ's give you a potentially infinite range - BUT - once you flick the +/-100% switch, the sensitivity of the slider becomes much coarser...

zhao
05-03-2009, 04:40 PM
i miss beat matching...

sometimes.

Tentative Andy
05-03-2009, 04:46 PM
Have you stopped DJing, Zhao?

zhao
05-03-2009, 05:11 PM
Have you stopped DJing, Zhao?

i've stopped djing... on turntables and cdj's.

Tentative Andy
05-03-2009, 05:20 PM
Ah, ok, makes sense.

Tentative Andy
05-03-2009, 08:18 PM
Right, tried this a few times following GA's and Droid's advice. Good fun, and I've got it to sort of work, but find that I can only hold the mix down for a quite a short spell compared to doing it with tunes of the same bpm. Is this just how it goes, or can you increase it with practice? (As it goes, I tend to prefer short, quite rough-cut mixes anyway, but there you go).

droid
05-03-2009, 09:54 PM
Right, tried this a few times following GA's and Droid's advice. Good fun, and I've got it to sort of work, but find that I can only hold the mix down for a quite a short spell compared to doing it with tunes of the same bpm. Is this just how it goes, or can you increase it with practice? (As it goes, I tend to prefer short, quite rough-cut mixes anyway, but there you go).

It depends on the tunes really, but it should get easier with practise. The problem lies more with finding half time tunes that have the right kind of groove to go with faster ones.

Tentative Andy
05-03-2009, 10:06 PM
It depends on the tunes really, but it should get easier with practise. The problem lies more with finding half time tunes that have the right kind of groove to go with faster ones.

Yeah that's a good point - doing this had made me realise that I don't really know the tunes I know, as it were. Reckon it does come down to careful selection of exactly the right points on exactly the right tunes.

ripley
06-03-2009, 09:28 PM
as you listen more, and get to know the tunes, you get a sense of each tunes' shape, and that helps you figure out how to line them up with each other. Some tunes (really some genres) have a pretty predictable pattern of buildup, breakdown, buildup again, etc.. others are more linear.

The shape of the tune can influence how smooth or rough you choose to mix. But you can always change it up, if you feel like it.. experiment to see what sounds good, and what feels good. If you are thinking about djing for dancing people, start right away because you learn much more from watching people's bodies move as you mix than you do listening at home. At least I did.

Tentative Andy
06-03-2009, 10:06 PM
Thanks ripley. I am gradually getting the hang of spotting good breakdowns and buildups and anticipating when they're going to come in.
The plan is definitely to play out for people dancing, but it seems to be quite hard here to get a break into playing at clubs or even in bars and other places. Especially since margins have been hit by the downturn I reckon. I would start just by inviting people to party at my flat, but my neighbour has a young kid, so not really the cool thing to do.

Tactics
17-03-2009, 11:30 AM
Thanks ripley. I am gradually getting the hang of spotting good breakdowns and buildups and anticipating when they're going to come in.
The plan is definitely to play out for people dancing, but it seems to be quite hard here to get a break into playing at clubs or even in bars and other places. Especially since margins have been hit by the downturn I reckon. I would start just by inviting people to party at my flat, but my neighbour has a young kid, so not really the cool thing to do.

then? submit a CD and offer to play for free?

Tentative Andy
18-03-2009, 02:13 AM
Well yeah, that's what I'm trying to do right now, but I'm being fairly obsessive about getting the mixes to demonstrate as accurately as possible what I'm into, and for the last week or so some fairly soul-crushing, bread-winning real-world bizness has been getting in the way. Weh weh weh.

oblioblioblio
18-03-2009, 03:32 AM
the mind has some cool special feature that can assemble patterns in weird ways.

my friend and I played some music together once. me playing beatmatched tracks and him just from a regular media player and many tracks completely out of time somehow made complete interrelated sense.

obviously with heavily percussive stuff this is silly. but some mxtures with percussive and also more kinda drifty instrumental stuff were magical.

benjybars
24-03-2010, 03:08 PM
one of the only good things i've seen on dsf in the last year or so was a thread about mixing non-dubstep tunes with dubstep

someone started with this list -

Artist Song BPM

Datarock Fa-Fa-Fa 135
Lil' Wayne A Milli 152
Britney Spears Freakshow 132
MC Hammer U Can't Touch This 133
Michael Jackson BEAT IT 140
Yeah Yeah Yeahs Heads Will Roll 132
Gorillaz Feel Good Inc. 139
Ciara Oh feat. Ludacris 128
Whigfield Sexy Eyes 131
Whigfield Saturday Night 130
Vengaboys We Like To Party 136
Vengaboys Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom 138
Lil' Wayne & Static Major Lollipop 148
Savage & Soulja Boy Swing 150
Britney Spears 3 135
Quad City DJs Space Jam Theme 132
Busta Rhymes Gimme Some More 138


this website is pretty cool - http://bpmdatabase.com/index.php

i love hearing about people's funny mixes that actually work really well.

i really want Beyonce - Diva and Beyonce - Video Phone on vinyl.

baboon2004
24-03-2010, 03:26 PM
Nice tracklisting - inspired me to listen to Quad City DJs on youtube. Er....: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hT9-vLy2gQ

Which is the Beyonce/Lady Gaga tune with that INSANE video?

benjybars
24-03-2010, 03:35 PM
Nice tracklisting - inspired me to listen to Quad City DJs on youtube. Er....: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hT9-vLy2gQ

Which is the Beyonce/Lady Gaga tune with that INSANE video?

that's Telephone. which is shit. Should not be confused with Video phone. which is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtIdxk2zqXs

i saw Joe Nice mix in Jay-z big pimpin at DMZ once. Big pimpin is 90bpm according to that website so i guess he pitched it down to 70bpm to mix it with 140bpm dubstep


this Aaliyah track is 70bpm and goes really well with 140bpm stuff - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EymH-COrGk

baboon2004
24-03-2010, 03:41 PM
that's Telephone. which is shit. Should not be confused with Video phone. which is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtIdxk2zqXs

this Aaliyah track is 70bpm and goes really well with 140bpm stuff - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EymH-COrGk

Song is shit, granted, but the video is a work of some sort of twisted genius. Has there ever been a more robotic, less sexy woman than Beyonce? It's kind of remarkable. But here her roboticness is used to amazing effect.

The space and stagger in Are You That Somebody would make for amazing mixing opportunities too, I'd reckon (not knowing anything about the technicalities of mixing)? Are there any good RnB/dubstep mixes?

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUicZbpvedY I really quite like this.

benjybars
24-03-2010, 03:50 PM
haha.. allow cussing beyonce. she's great. even if she is basically a one-woman multinational conglomerate. i love her still. even my girlfriend knows not to cuss beyonce.

that aaliyah choir thing was quality!

benjybars
24-03-2010, 03:51 PM
also, can this thread be moved to music please??

baboon2004
24-03-2010, 04:37 PM
haha.. allow cussing beyonce. she's great. even if she is basically a one-woman multinational conglomerate. i love her still. even my girlfriend knows not to cuss beyonce.

that aaliyah choir thing was quality!

I love her unreconstructed, inhuman corporate awfulness too, in a way. Is your girlfriend named either Kelly or Michelle?

It was, wasn't it? Must admit I fully expected it to be awful, but as it happens it's a great beat to recreate...

continuum
08-04-2010, 10:15 PM
remember when DJ Mag's reviews all listed the bpm of the track next to it? Those were the days!

being able to see a waveform of the track you are playing really helps when mixing and along with the bpm being worked out for you makes dj-ing with a dvs system or similar way better than traditional standard vinyl.

the Numark V7 is what im currently saving for:

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paolo
09-04-2010, 08:54 AM
i saw Joe Nice mix in Jay-z big pimpin at DMZ once.

God damn I am jealous of you (and anyone else who was there)

alex
09-04-2010, 04:46 PM
been mixing alot of Aaliyah's tunes in with 130-140 stuff, they go really well.

petergunn
09-04-2010, 08:04 PM
that's Telephone. which is shit. Should not be confused with Video phone. which is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtIdxk2zqXs

i saw Joe Nice mix in Jay-z big pimpin at DMZ once. Big pimpin is 90bpm according to that website so i guess he pitched it down to 70bpm to mix it with 140bpm dubstep


this Aaliyah track is 70bpm and goes really well with 140bpm stuff - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EymH-COrGk

that's the problem w/ those websites... big pimpin is actually around 138bpm IIRC, i used to mix with a lot of grime/dubstep stuff... timbaland went thru a period of making alot of tunes near that tempo...

alot of later miami bass is close to 140 as well...