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BareBones
15-04-2009, 03:39 PM
The Daily Mail: Campaigning both For AND Against the HPV Vaccine in Different Countries Simultaneously

http://www.layscience.net/node/507

IdleRich
15-04-2009, 05:48 PM
Looks to me as though, unlike the Daily Mail, you are incapable of grasping the finer details of this complex and delicately nuanced issue.

vimothy
15-04-2009, 07:13 PM
Exactly -- isn't the definition of genius the ability to comprehend two contradictory ideas at once?

BareBones
16-04-2009, 10:40 AM
i think that was fitzgerald describing a "first-rate intellect" - though i'm clearly neither :)

jtg
17-04-2009, 01:40 AM
I find it amusing how the Daily Mail (UK version) is attacked like the biggest straw man ever. This article is ludicrous. The two papers in question have a completely different editorial staff, and apart from common ownership, and the name, they're totally different papers. Would it be so outrageous if the Observer took a different stance on an issue from the Guardian? The suggestion that it "proves that they don't give a crap" and that they're "evil" is nonsense on stilts.

Mr. Tea
17-04-2009, 01:33 PM
Be that as it may - the Daily Mail is still shit as fuck.

BareBones
17-04-2009, 05:42 PM
are the UK and Irish Daily Mails totally different then? Genuine question - i have no idea, have never been to ireland. I don't think it's completely outlandish to assume that they'd both be at least quite similar and/or have fairly similar stances on issues like this. And i think i probably would be quite surprised if the guardian ran a strongly pro-HPV vaccine story on a saturday and then the observer ran a strongly anti-HPV vaccine story the next day, but maybe i'm just being naive. Admittedly i am often incapable of grasping the finer details of complex and delicately nuanced issues, as rich says.

crackerjack
17-04-2009, 05:47 PM
are the UK and Irish Daily Mails totally different then? Genuine question - i have no idea, have never been to ireland. I don't think it's completely outlandish to assume that they'd both be at least quite similar and/or have fairly similar stances on issues like this. And i think i probably would be quite surprised if the guardian ran a strongly pro-HPV vaccine story on a saturday and then the observer ran a strongly anti-HPV vaccine story the next day, but maybe i'm just being naive. Admittedly i am often incapable of grasping the finer details of complex and delicately nuanced issues, as rich says.

The Guardian and the Observer famously took different sides on the Iraq war (and the Obs wound up looking pretty silly), but then they were wholly separate until about a decade ago.

It's not unusual, though, for Sunday papers to differ from their daily sisters - see last general election where Times backed Labour and Sunday Times the Tories.

vimothy
17-04-2009, 05:53 PM
My uncle edits the NI Daily Mirror and from what I can recall it is quite different from the UK version, other than some shared stories.

scottdisco
17-04-2009, 07:20 PM
i have no horse in this race (re the point raised by jtg: fair play) but in the comments to the article itself i was struck by someone noting


Secondly, your assertion that these are "two different papers" is deeply flawed - the Irish edition is basically just the British edition with a different layout and a few Irish-centric stories. They share much of the same content and even the same columnists, along with most of the same staff.

Thirdly and following on from that, we're not talking about some Irish journalists disagreeing with some British journalists, we're talking about the editorial stance - set by the same London-based people. And that's why this is a noteworthy story.

dunno how accurate this is of course but thus far nobody has rebuked it there, it's mostly a discussion about the issue itself.

jtg
18-04-2009, 01:54 AM
I don't think it's completely outlandish to assume that they'd both be at least quite similar and/or have fairly similar stances on issues like this. And i think i probably would be quite surprised if the guardian ran a strongly pro-HPV vaccine story on a saturday and then the observer ran a strongly anti-HPV vaccine story the next day, but maybe i'm just being naive.

You're not being naive at all -- the story was surprising, I don't deny that. It's the bizarre conclusion that the two papers' differing opinions 'prove' that they're both pure evil that I objected to.

Edit: As regards whether the papers are different, although the Irish edition borrows articles from the British, it has a different editor. That alone, for me, makes it a different paper, and the contrasting stances on HPV are down to the editors.

scottdisco
18-04-2009, 09:45 AM
It's the bizarre conclusion that the two papers' differing opinions 'prove' that they're both pure evil that I objected to.

a very reasonable objection!

craner
26-04-2009, 04:54 PM
Peter Hitchens is still the master (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1173515/PETER-HITCHENS-They-rave-peril-sunbeds--let-fry-brains-cannabis.html).

craner
26-04-2009, 04:57 PM
Callers have been told, apparently by giggling lunatics on 'helplines', that various forms of lawless brain-frying are really all right. No surprise to me.

Quality, vintage stuff.

crackerjack
20-06-2009, 12:04 AM
more of this kind of thing please (http://robinbrown.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/twitter-bums-daily-mail-online/)

latecomers to this excellent game should note that you can still vote in other polls, including the "giving up more powers to eu", currently enjoying a healthy yes vote, here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1194046/LITTLEJOHN-Fast-tracking-Tarmacing-community-NHS.html)

bassbeyondreason
22-06-2009, 09:59 AM
"Propaganda isn't enough on its own. Law and fear are needed too."

For the love of god someone send that to Stewart Lee.

Mr. Tea
22-06-2009, 01:42 PM
In the words of Littleprick, "You couldn't make it up!".

May I suggest some more possible topics for the Mail's online polls:


Should the Queen be chopped up and fed to paedophiles?
Should school nativity plays be scrapped in favour of something vaguely to do with Islam?
Should taxpayers' money be spent on sanctuaries for gay animals?
Is Britain basically going down the pan?

scottdisco
22-06-2009, 01:44 PM
believe it or not but the ones in the Daily Express are even more toxic

Bang Diddley
02-09-2009, 11:33 AM
Ah so this is how the headlines are written, all makes sense now.

http://www.geocities.com/wyrmalicious/DailyMailGen.html

DEADLY GYPSIES BOMBED MADDIE

Pestario
02-09-2009, 11:49 AM
GAYS ARE TRYING TO DISEASE THE BIBLE

I would read this

john eden
02-09-2009, 12:39 PM
Everyone should bookmark this page:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/polls/index.html

There is much fun to be had.

matt b
30-09-2009, 01:00 PM
Today the mail shouts: Tate Modern display nude picture 10 year old Brooke Shields alongside giant pornographic images (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216924/Tate-Modern-display-nude-picture-10-year-old-Brooke-Shields-alongside-giant-pornographic-images.html)

Michele Elliott...said: 'This is the kind of excuse people make for showing soft kiddy porn and I can't think anyone would want their child portrayed this way and I think it is obscene to do so. She is not old enough at that age to give consent for this to be taken. This has been put in a pouty adult way, it sounds like, and to masquerade under the guise of edgy art is ridiculous. It is soft kiddy porn."

just to be sure- this is kiddy porn, ok?

"How far do things have to go before we eventually say enough is enough?'

The mail illustrates the story, not with a picture of the nude picture of 10 year old Brooke, because that would be kiddy porn, but with a picture of a nude picture of a 14 year old Brooke. Because that is fine.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/29/article-1216924-06A1EE7F000005DC-680_224x423.jpg

"MailOnline has chosen not to show the portrait of naked 10-year-old Shields to be exhibited at Tate Modern"

IdleRich
30-09-2009, 01:06 PM
"has been put in a pouty adult way, it sounds like, and to masquerade under the guise of edgy art is ridiculous. It is soft kiddy porn"
It sounds like he hasn't actually seen the pictures.

matt b
30-09-2009, 01:09 PM
It sounds like he hasn't actually seen the pictures.

I have just seen the photograph and cannot believe it. It is wrong.

- Eve, Berkshire, 30/9/2009 12:28

matt b
30-09-2009, 01:11 PM
edit: i'm following the Tate and removing the offending image

Mr. Tea
30-09-2009, 02:27 PM
http://anacarlo.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/father-ted-careful-now.jpg

matt b
30-09-2009, 02:32 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XCJ62cJhAPU/SmDu6FPe_EI/AAAAAAAABJk/5MjGlgJ2qXk/s800/2781387351_93b6faa0f5.jpg

baboon2004
30-09-2009, 02:41 PM
I think they're just making the point that Charlotte has reached the age of 15 quickly. Can't see any double meanings or other smuttiness there.

If she were 16, it would be different.


Can't see much wrong with this either, from Mikeyboy of Manchester:

"No matter what your political colour the simple fact of the matter is we cannot continue to support the parasites in this country who only take.

I put a large proportion of teenage single mothers in this category.

Simple solution is to remove the financial incentive completely and offer a one off tax free payment to get sterilised before they have had any children."


I particularly love this:

"The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. "

The mind boggles to know the kind of views it would be keen to distance itself from.

matt b
01-10-2009, 10:45 AM
GOLD!!!!!:
http://www.irdial.com/31200272.jpg

IdleRich
01-10-2009, 11:05 AM
Big of them to take the blame like that though.

craner
01-10-2009, 01:57 PM
So where am I meant to keep my machetes?

matt b
01-10-2009, 02:32 PM
So where am I meant to keep my machetes?

I wish I had time to read the comments section below the article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214955/Machetes-door-drugs-table--mothers-paid-state-babies-men-barely-know--What-HAVE-British-family.html), because I'm sure the answer will be found there.

mms
08-10-2009, 10:54 AM
lush
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218880/One-gay-man-lesbians-legged-cat-poisoned-curry-plot.html?ITO=1490

Mr. Tea
08-10-2009, 11:31 AM
lush
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218880/One-gay-man-lesbians-legged-cat-poisoned-curry-plot.html?ITO=1490

Clearly the sexual preference of everyone involved in that story is absolutely vital to the case. Proof, once and for all, that gays are evil and mad.

P.S. needs more radioactive paedophile.

matt b
08-10-2009, 12:50 PM
Clearly the sexual preference of everyone involved in that story is absolutely vital to the case. Proof, once and for all, that gays are evil and mad.

more evidence here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1218949/Katie-Prices-gay-friends-hurl-abuse-Peter-Andre-drink-bar.html

bloody gays.

matt b
08-10-2009, 12:53 PM
oh, the irony:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214528/The-tangled-private-life-murdered-Honorary-Consul--sexual-hypocrisy-shames-Jamaica.html

john eden
16-10-2009, 10:22 AM
this is just brilliant on so many levels:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220390/Pictured-The-abandoned-ruins-Mr-Blobby-theme-park-ravers-trash-site.html

'The ravers should have more respect for Mr Blobby. He was a hero to a lot of kids and the thought of them taking drugs and having all-night raves in his house is completely disrespectful.'

matt b
16-10-2009, 11:10 AM
this is just brilliant on so many levels:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220390/Pictured-The-abandoned-ruins-Mr-Blobby-theme-park-ravers-trash-site.html

'The ravers should have more respect for Mr Blobby. He was a hero to a lot of kids and the thought of them taking drugs and having all-night raves in his house is completely disrespectful.'

Mr Blobby fan Chris Bryant said "Everything should remain like it was in the past. When it was good. It's all ruined now"

alex
16-10-2009, 11:56 AM
The latest article from Jan Moir on S.Gately's death is dispicable. I am actually foaming at the mouth with anger toward this paper. I think it's a disgusting waste of paper & flesh for those who write for it.

matt b
16-10-2009, 12:05 PM
The latest article from Jan Moir on S.Gately's death is dispicable. I am actually foaming at the mouth with anger toward this paper. I think it's a disgusting waste of paper & flesh for those who write for it.

"The sugar coating on this fatality is so saccharine-thick that it obscures whatever bitter truth lies beneath. Healthy and fit 33-year-old men do not just climb into their pyjamas and go to sleep on the sofa, never to wake up again."

Oh really, Dr Moir?

"Another real sadness about Gately's death is that it strikes another blow to the happy-ever-after myth of civil partnerships. Gay activists are always calling for tolerance and understanding about same-sex relationships, arguing that they are just the same as heterosexual marriages. Not everyone, they say, is like George Michael.
Of course, in many cases this may be true. Yet the recent death of Kevin McGee, the former husband of Little Britain star Matt Lucas, and now the dubious events of Gately's last night raise troubling questions about what happened."


You hateful, snide, cheap, sneeky fucker, Moir

baboon2004
16-10-2009, 12:16 PM
"The sugar coating on this fatality is so saccharine-thick that it obscures whatever bitter truth lies beneath. Healthy and fit 33-year-old men do not just climb into their pyjamas and go to sleep on the sofa, never to wake up again."

Oh really, Dr Moir?

"Another real sadness about Gately's death is that it strikes another blow to the happy-ever-after myth of civil partnerships. Gay activists are always calling for tolerance and understanding about same-sex relationships, arguing that they are just the same as heterosexual marriages. Not everyone, they say, is like George Michael.
Of course, in many cases this may be true. Yet the recent death of Kevin McGee, the former husband of Little Britain star Matt Lucas, and now the dubious events of Gately's last night raise troubling questions about what happened."

You hateful, snide, cheap, sneeky fucker, Moir

He really should be shot. But as we see time and time again, it only needs one 'oppportunity' for the veneer of tolerance slip and for everyone to see what is really underneath. "Tolerance"* is strictly conditional for lots of people.

Did I imagine it, or did I read in the papers that someone was seriously suggesting that Gately may have died because he smoked a spliff that night?!

* 'tolerance' is SUCH a patronising word, but you know what i mean.

STN
16-10-2009, 12:50 PM
crikey, what an evil bastard. bloody hell.

PeteUM
16-10-2009, 12:51 PM
Not much love for Moir on Twitter today, as you may be aware. Stephen Fry tweets:

"I gather a repulsive nobody writing in a paper no one of any decency would be seen dead with has written something loathesome and inhumane."

PeteUM
16-10-2009, 12:55 PM
This (http://enemiesofreason.blogspot.com/2009/10/why-there-is-nothing-natural-about-life.html) is good too.

paolo
16-10-2009, 02:32 PM
this is just brilliant on so many levels:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220390/Pictured-The-abandoned-ruins-Mr-Blobby-theme-park-ravers-trash-site.html

'The ravers should have more respect for Mr Blobby. He was a hero to a lot of kids and the thought of them taking drugs and having all-night raves in his house is completely disrespectful.'


From the comments


First Alesha Dixon replaces our beloved Arelene Philips, and now Mr. Blobby is forced to live under such conditions, isn't it time that the BBC, a publicly-funded corporation I might add, acknowledges its duty and treats its ex-employees with more care and responsibility, I weep at the thought at what the future beckons for future britons.

crackerjack
16-10-2009, 03:14 PM
From the comments


First Alesha Dixon replaces our beloved Arelene Philips, and now Mr. Blobby is forced to live under such conditions, isn't it time that the BBC, a publicly-funded corporation I might add, acknowledges its duty and treats its ex-employees with more care and responsibility, I weep at the thought at what the future beckons for future britons.

Is Chris Morris writing these comments?

baboon2004
16-10-2009, 03:25 PM
"Sooo...would Mr. Blobby's house be the BEST place or the WORST place to take a hit of acid?"

A question worthy of consideration.

viktorvaughn
16-10-2009, 04:09 PM
crikey, what an evil bastard. bloody hell.

Not just a prejudiced dickhead but really really stupid. She clearly doesn't know any gay people and thinks they are some weird super depraved subset of normal humans.

crackerjack
16-10-2009, 04:19 PM
Jesus. Twitterers have been tracking the subtle headline shifts in this page, from this (http://www.twitpic.com/lqchu) (original headline seen bottom right, under Femail Today); to this (http://twitpic.com/lqgoi), though that has now reverted to this (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1220756/A-strange-lonely-troubling-death--.html).

Basically the Mail must be sat there realising they've fucked up, wondering how best to make nice without eating a big handful of their own shite.

jenks
16-10-2009, 04:29 PM
They seem to be on a bit of twitter hiding today!

Recently the twitter cycling community went for TV chef James Martin after he basically admitted to running a group of lycra lads off the in a Tesla electric car.
It went to the PCC but the complaints were rejected on the basis that they weren't empowered to censure his particular brand of fuck wittery.

Moir used to write amusing and quite waspish restaurant reviews for the Telegraph but here she seems so out of her depth.

He died because he was gay apparently.

This is an apt and speedy response:

http://www.dailyquail.org/2009/10/jan-moir-why-theres-nothing-natural.html

crackerjack
16-10-2009, 04:30 PM
ad death for moir (http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/16/daily-mail-pulls-ads-from-moir-article-after-campaign/)

crackerjack
16-10-2009, 04:35 PM
This is an apt and speedy response:

http://www.dailyquail.org/2009/10/jan-moir-why-theres-nothing-natural.html

this is fucking brilliant. i'm feeling a bit guilty at laughing so much


Some might say the death and the fact that the deathee was gay are unconnected. To them, I say: 'no'. Look at the facts - he died, and he was gay. Therefore he died of gay.

john eden
16-10-2009, 05:05 PM
It's now being said that the PCC website has gone down because of the volume of complaints, but it looks fine to me...

Oooh, but they do have a special "IF YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE JAN MOIR PIECE IN THE DAILY MAIL PLEASE CLICK HERE. " link!
http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaints/process.html

alex
16-10-2009, 05:16 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/16/stephen-gately-jan-moir

Charley brookers response, well said, he is like the voice of twitterer's on this subject at the moment.

mms
16-10-2009, 05:30 PM
Mr Blobby fan Chris Bryant said "Everything should remain like it was in the past. When it was good. It's all ruined now"

chris bryant, what a star.

baboon2004
16-10-2009, 05:56 PM
Moir used to write amusing and quite waspish restaurant reviews for the Telegraph but here she seems so out of her depth.



V true, but it's terrifying that Moir should be out of her depth commenting on the death of another human being....

And yes, Chris Bryant is certainly the silver lining to all this. What does he have to say? Probably "It's all ruined!".

crackerjack
16-10-2009, 06:35 PM
Man bites dog (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8311499.stm)

Come on now, BBC, don't let go. Just think of all the shit you've had coming your way.

crackerjack
16-10-2009, 06:40 PM
]The official statement.


Full statement by Jan Moir (via Ian Burrell)

Some people, particularly in the gay community, have been upset by my article about the sad death of Boyzone member Stephen Gately. This was never my intention. Stephen, as I pointed out in the article was a charming and sweet man who entertained millions.

However, the point of my column-which, I wonder how many of the people complaining have fully read – was to suggest that, in my honest opinion, his death raises many unanswered questions. That was all.

Yes, anyone can die at anytime of anything. However, it seems unlikely to me that what took place in the hours immediately preceding Gately’s death – out all evening at a nightclub, taking illegal substances, bringing a stranger back to the flat, getting intimate with that stranger – did not have a bearing on his death. At the very least, it could have exacerbated an underlying medical condition.

The entire matter of his sudden death seemed to have been handled with undue haste when lessons could have been learned. On this subject, one very important point. When I wrote that ‘he would want to set an example to any impressionable young men who may want to emulate what they might see as his glamorous routine’, I was referring to the drugs and the casual invitation extended to a stranger. Not to the fact of his homosexuality.

In writing that ‘it strikes another blow to the happy-ever-after myth of civil partnerships’ I was suggesting that civil partnerships – the introduction of which I am on the record in supporting – have proved just to be as problematic as marriages.

In what is clearly a heavily orchestrated internet campaign I think it is mischievous in the extreme to suggest that my article has homophobic and bigoted undertones.”

Now let that be an end to the mischief.:rolleyes:

matt b
16-10-2009, 06:51 PM
The official statement (as it should have been):

"The entire article on his sudden death was written with undue haste because I am greedy and hateful. I am a disgrace. I will never write a word for publication again."

john eden
16-10-2009, 07:08 PM
The official statement (as it should have been):

"The entire article on his sudden death was written with undue haste because I am greedy and hateful. I am a disgrace. I will never write a word for publication again."

"in my honest opinion" you are completely correct Matt. Moir's article certainly "raises questions" about her being a hate-mongering bigot, and I would certainly not want any impressionable young queer bashers or journalists to be influenced by her writing.

STN
16-10-2009, 07:11 PM
she really is a first-class tit; that fucking statement! the bloody nerve of it!

matt b
16-10-2009, 07:15 PM
especially this bit:

"In what is clearly a heavily orchestrated internet campaign I think it is mischievous in the extreme to suggest that my article has homophobic and bigoted undertones."

true Moir, they weren't 'undertones', they were blatant

jenks
16-10-2009, 07:30 PM
I don't think it was heavily orchestrated - people were reading this and making their feelings clear. Yep, there were RTs but no-one was organising it, that is the great thing about these things, sometimes, just sometimes people come to the same conclusions without someone telling them what to think!

and she seems to be confusing mischief with outrage

crackerjack
16-10-2009, 07:43 PM
according to news 24, derren brown was the first to put the pcc email up and suggest people complain - so it wasn't just orchestrated, it was mass hypnosis ;)

apparently wossy is tweeting about them too... with a heavy heart, no doubt

crackerjack
17-10-2009, 05:30 PM
http://newsarse.com/2009/10/16/jan-moirs-career-to-die-of-perfectly-natural-causes/


The career of Daily Mail columnist Jan Moir is desperately clinging to life after suffering an adverse reaction following exposure to common sense, unbiased thinking, and the Internet.


“There are those who would call her a short-sighted bigot, perhaps even a wilfully deceitful crack-whore, but they don’t realise how upsetting the loss of her career will be to millions of witless homophobes and racists.”

mistersloane
18-10-2009, 04:30 PM
jan.moir@dailymail.co.uk

nomadthethird
18-10-2009, 04:48 PM
When I first read that I was like "I can't..believe...someone published this..." then I looked up and saw who did and it all made sense.

The sidebar links alone were full of the most blatantly sexist crap I'd seen in a long time in a newspaper and that's saying something. It made our tabloids over here look sane.

crackerjack
18-10-2009, 05:09 PM
When I first read that I was like "I can't..believe...someone published this..." then I looked up and saw who did and it all made sense.

The sidebar links alone were full of the most blatantly sexist crap I'd seen in a long time in a newspaper and that's saying something. It made our tabloids over here look sane.

Funny you should say that - I was half expecting you to say how tame this is compared to what goes on in the US. Is homophobia not that mainstream over there, or is just confined to talk shows and their TV equivalents?

nomadthethird
18-10-2009, 05:14 PM
"The sugar coating on this fatality is so saccharine-thick that it obscures whatever bitter truth lies beneath. Healthy and fit 33-year-old men do not just climb into their pyjamas and go to sleep on the sofa, never to wake up again."

Oh really, Dr Moir?

"Another real sadness about Gately's death is that it strikes another blow to the happy-ever-after myth of civil partnerships. Gay activists are always calling for tolerance and understanding about same-sex relationships, arguing that they are just the same as heterosexual marriages. Not everyone, they say, is like George Michael.
Of course, in many cases this may be true. Yet the recent death of Kevin McGee, the former husband of Little Britain star Matt Lucas, and now the dubious events of Gately's last night raise troubling questions about what happened."



What's funny is that I see a lot of people making a big deal about the fact that she implies that he "died of gay." But what's even weirder to me is that she implies that a) only gay people do drugs, b) only gay people OD, and c) only gay people can have dysfunctional or non-traditional relationships all in one fell swoop on top of the "he died of gay" thing.

nomadthethird
18-10-2009, 05:17 PM
Funny you should say that - I was half expecting you to say how tame this is compared to what goes on in the US. Is homophobia not that mainstream over there, or is just confined to talk shows and their TV equivalents?

There are homophobes but you'd be absolutely crucified if you put that in a paper, no one would publish it. I really cannot imagine that getting published in a single newspaper here. Partially because they're all owned by a few corporations that control the flow of information.

The stuff I saw about women's "thighs" being exposed and Katie something or other's breasts "falling out of her dress" is the kind of stuff they wouldn't even publish in a tabloid here. They might put the picture in, but they'd never use those words, they'd just put something like "Fashion don't!"

Edit:

The craziest it gets is this, the Weekly World News, which I read religiously in college...

http://www.crikey.com.au/Media/images/Weekly-World-News-II-207e9007-d07a-4c19-ae2c-de9459778bf9.jpg

http://www.loveleaf.net/rcmag/image/weekly_world_news_magazine.jpg

http://meathaus.com/wp-content/uploads/weekly-world-news.jpg

crackerjack
18-10-2009, 05:28 PM
The stuff I saw about women's "thighs" being exposed and Katie something or other's breasts "falling out of her dress" is the kind of stuff they wouldn't even publish in a tabloid here. They might put the picture in, but they'd never use those words, they'd just put something like "Fashion don't!"


If there's one thing the Mail hates more than immigrants, it's "loose" females. It's one long hatchet job for prudish middle-aged women to tut tut at other people's daughters.

nomadthethird
18-10-2009, 05:38 PM
If there's one thing the Mail hates more than immigrants, it's "loose" females. It's one long hatchet job for prudish middle-aged women to tut tut at other people's daughters.

I've noticed! This really got me laughing (lady *finger wag*):


Why has it taken so long for Labour's equal rights laws to blow up in their face?

It is clear to anyone with three brain cells that excessive amounts of maternity leave and gigantic sex discrimination payouts - of the kind shepherded through by Sir Harriet Harman - have not strengthened the position of women in the workplace.

If anything, they have hampered the prospects of many, particularly in a credit-crunched marketplace.

If you are a young, ambitious woman of child-bearing years, any employer is going to think once, twice, three times about you, lady.

Particularly small businesses, who are hammered out of all existence by discriminatory legislation and given no help to thrive.

This government, desperate to appease working mothers at any cost, has alienated employers, not encouraged them.

It goes on and on, but what is clear is that that great citadel of gender gelding, the Government Equalities Office, is doing more harm than good.

So netball and football are to be replaced as school sports by pastimes such as skateboarding and cheerleading. Pathetic. When are children going to learn that school sports are something to be endured, not enjoyed?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1220756/A-strange-lonely-troubling-death--.html#ixzz0UJ11R9KG

scottdisco
18-10-2009, 06:26 PM
The sidebar links alone were full of the most blatantly sexist crap I'd seen in a long time in a newspaper and that's saying something. It made our tabloids over here look sane.

Nomad is quite right.

having lived in both countries and being a voracious meejah consumer i can say w confidence British tabloids are far worse than their American counterparts.
tbf it's not quite the same paper culture, but, no, there's nothing as bad as the Express in the USA, for instance.

sure you get nutty talk radio, but in terms of stuff that still carries a little bit of (wholly undeserved, of course) slight whiff of respectability in certain quarters, the British mid-market tabloids are out in front.

scottdisco
18-10-2009, 06:44 PM
i liked Shiraz discussing the rather wonderful 'fuck you (http://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/it-no-longer-matters-what-they-think/)' from the Obama regime to FOX News recently, and i sighed at Max Dunbar's closing thought


The UK also has a reactionary media with massive delusions of relevance. If Labour had taken Obama’s attitude in ‘97, imagine what a great country we could be living in today.

whenever Phil Woolas (Oldham area MP aside from his national brief) talks shite about immigrants it gets uncritically noted in the Express and the Mail (and probably to a lesser extent in the Sun and Telegraph for all i know).
but, funnily enough, even his local Manchester Evening News don't take the guy seriously; it shows you how awful the Mail and Express are that an under-funded provincial newspaper has more smarts than them on basic issues. (that said, a tub of yoghurt has more smarts than them but you know what i mean.)

scottdisco
18-10-2009, 06:58 PM
"Let the Mail make it clear for you: They don't like the BNP. They want to make it absolutely crystal clear that they don't like the BNP and that being racist, like the BNP are, is wrong, and a bad thing." (http://enemiesofreason.blogspot.com/2009/10/mail-dont-t-like-bnp-oh-no.html)

crackerjack
18-10-2009, 08:03 PM
"Let the Mail make it clear for you: They don't like the BNP. They want to make it absolutely crystal clear that they don't like the BNP and that being racist, like the BNP are, is wrong, and a bad thing." (http://enemiesofreason.blogspot.com/2009/10/mail-dont-t-like-bnp-oh-no.html)

Boo for the blackshirts!

Mr. Tea
18-10-2009, 08:53 PM
Ach. Daily Fail.

I was interested to see a friend of mine post a comment on FB saying that the Mail should retract the piece...now while I'm all for seeing this odious woman's career cut as short as possible, I think for the paper to distance itself from her article would give the false impression that this was some kind of uncharacterisitc lapse of judgement on the editors' part, as opposed to something that's entirely consistent with the rag's well known bigotry. This is the paper, after all, that not a million years ago ran with the headline Abortion hope after 'gay gene' found.

(Whoops, there goes nomad's jaw, could someone pick it up and hand it back to her?)

The article is made all the more stupid by the claim that young(ish), ostensibly healthy people don't just drop dead of undiagnosed or previously unproblematic conditions - this is just bullshit, it's happened to two guys I knew from school already.

scottdisco
18-10-2009, 09:48 PM
^ i'm very sorry to hear that Tea

the gay gene story is absurd, how sadly typical.

nothing ever changes w our tabloids, eh :slanted:


In the summer of 1985, amidst a panic over Tamil refugees fleeing Sri Lanka to Britain, the British government imposed a requirement that visitors from Sri Lanka had to obtain a visa before travelling to Britain. The change, the first time such a restriction had been imposed on Commonwealth citizens, was preceded and legitimated by scare stories in the press about an impending 'floodtide' of Tamils about to engulf Britain. One year later, the British press was at the forefront of a campaign to extend the visa restriction to other Commonwealth nationals and to defend Britain, once again, from an invasion by immigrant hordes.

(from a 1987 edition (http://rac.sagepub.com/cgi/pdf_extract/28/3/76) of the journal Race & Class)

yup, can't think why ethnic Tamils might be wanting to get out of Sri Lanka in the mid-80's, no siree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_July)

baboon2004
19-10-2009, 12:05 AM
now while I'm all for seeing this odious woman's career cut as short as possible, I think for the paper to distance itself from her article would give the false impression that this was some kind of uncharacterisitc lapse of judgement on the editors' part, as opposed to something that's entirely consistent with the rag's well known bigotry. .

an excellent point.

further, while the level of internet damnation for the article was incredibly impressive there's much, much more bigotry out there to be exposed. the mail isn't the be-all and end-all.

And, just because lots of people profess to be liberals when discussing issues such as the Moir fiasco, doesn't mean they would act to oppose oppression when faced with it head-on. The proof is in action, not words.

crackerjack
19-10-2009, 12:13 PM
Hard-hitting report on the controversy from....the Daily Mail.


worldwide debate over a Daily Mail article on the death of Boyzone singer Stephen Gately spread over the internet at the weekend.

Columnist Jan Moir's comments on the singer's shocking death sparked an extraordinary online response using sites such as Twitter and Facebook.

Thousands have been moved to comment on Moir's column after she wrote in last Friday's paper about the circumstances surrounding the star's death in Majorca, when he and his civil partner invited a Bulgarian man to their flat.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221360/Stephen-Gately-debate-dominates-internet.html#ixzz0UNZLQ2Su

Well done, Jan, sparking debate, moving people to comment.

crackerjack
19-10-2009, 12:15 PM
Interestingly, if you click on the Janet Street Porter quote in the middle of that page - which looks like a retort to Moir's shitscreed - it comes up with 'Bad Request'

baboon2004
19-10-2009, 05:06 PM
21,000 complaints to the PCC


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/19/jan-moir-complain-stephen-gately

crackerjack
08-12-2009, 08:27 PM
http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/08/daily-mail-implies-christians-persecuted-in-incident/

staggering. how to turn a story upside down

scottdisco
11-12-2009, 03:35 PM
http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/08/daily-mail-implies-christians-persecuted-in-incident/

staggering. how to turn a story upside down

hasn't this case been dismissed? i wonder what really happened. probably somewhere in between either side's version.

crackerjack
18-09-2010, 01:54 PM
'Stasi spies' on the motorways: Big Brother fears as motorists are urged to inform on each other

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1313095/Big-Brother-fears-motorists-urged-spy-other.html

Nicely calm and understated as always. How does this compare with Mail's attitude to informing on benefit cheats?

Mr. Tea
19-09-2010, 07:45 PM
Mail on Sunday's headline today was about how Britain has 'gone halal' - by STEALTH! It's funny seeing them quoting some supposed outrage by some supposed animalrightscampaigners over this...under any other circumstance animalrightscampaigners would be crazypinkohippies and probably borderline terrorists in their own right

Meanwhile another paper (Sunday Times, I think) announced "Pope wrong to dismiss Britain as a secular society, says Cameron" - hey, we're not secular, we're all observant Muslims! Don't you people read the papers?!?!?

stevied
27-10-2010, 03:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI&feature=player_embedded


Could the Unions Give the Royal Family Cancer?

Daily Mail Headline Generator

http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/

craner
10-02-2011, 04:00 PM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Whats-Redwood-Wokingham-Amateur-Poetry/dp/B002C3W67S/ref=sr_1_24?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1297353571&sr=1-24

IdleRich
10-02-2011, 04:20 PM
He was at All Souls - which I only realised relatively recently is the elite Oxford College. To get there you have to be at one of the other colleges and be put forward for a load of extra exams, which, if you pass them, allow you to pass through the hallowed portal. He is the best of the best apparently. Makes you think doesn't it?

Mr. Tea
10-02-2011, 05:40 PM
He was at All Souls - which I only realised relatively recently is the elite Oxford College. To get there you have to be at one of the other colleges and be put forward for a load of extra exams, which, if you pass them, allow you to pass through the hallowed portal. He is the best of the best apparently. Makes you think doesn't it?

Should be called All Our Souls college.