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mistersloane
30-04-2009, 11:02 AM
Pandemic is imminent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8025931.stm

My partner is a doctor and says that the surgeries are totally prepared, though there seem to be no instances of Tamiflu being shipped to chemists yet, suggesting a slow response from the government.

Amazing stories about people walking into the practise reception sneezing going 'I went to Mexico the other week and seem to have a cold, what should I do?'. Perhaps not walk around the street sneezing, love.

Quite scary, really.

john eden
30-04-2009, 11:19 AM
It's quite weird how the hysteria about this is yet to hit - it's almost like people have discounted it because bird flu never really took off.

mistersloane
30-04-2009, 11:25 AM
It's quite weird how the hysteria about this is yet to hit - it's almost like people have discounted it because bird flu never really took off.

Yeah, it's a case of the the media having cried wolf so much that when a real threat - and talking about it last night with the Doc, this one does seem to have legs - happens, no-one notices. Now human-to-human transmission has occurred it just seems to be a matter of time - or days, really - until mass panic.

Maybe it's not even crying wolf actually, maybe it's just people going into shock that this time it might actually be real.

matt b
30-04-2009, 12:33 PM
an interesting article:

[all] people have done is raise the possibility of things really kicking off, and they are right to do so, but we don't have brilliantly accurate information. Someone has said that up to 40% of the world could be infected. Is that scaremongering? Well it's high, and I'm sure it's a bit of a guess, but maybe up to 40% could be. Annoying, isn't it, not to know. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/29/swine-flu-hype)


check out the cliches:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8022102.stm

the beeb is also doing itself proud on the scary picture front:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/dhtml_slides/09/pandemic/img/226/slide03.gif

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/dhtml_slides/09/pandemic/img/226/slide04.gif

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/dhtml_slides/09/pandemic/img/226/slide06.gif

john eden
30-04-2009, 12:57 PM
We've had an email about washing your hands come round at work.

Oh and we are let off any business trips to Mexico (thanks! I'll just postpone that one then? wtf?)

martin
30-04-2009, 01:02 PM
Does anyone know if any pigs have died of this?

matt b
30-04-2009, 01:04 PM
http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/swineflu3.jpg

john eden
30-04-2009, 01:05 PM
Pigs have died of the hysteria, certainly:

http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Jordan/244716

matt b
30-04-2009, 01:06 PM
Does anyone know if any pigs have died of this?

1:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01393/matt-pig-new_1393123f.jpg

martin
30-04-2009, 01:15 PM
So it's just a porcine version of 'man flu', really.

I'm not scared of swine flu, I'll just drink lots of whiskey and eat lots of green kiwi fruit and Thai chillis. I won't give greedy Rumsfeld a penny for his hoodoo concoction. Still, I have been coughing more than usual today, and the bloke next to me is sneezing uncontrollably as I type.

matt b
30-04-2009, 01:28 PM
Be safe, Martin, be safe:

http://www.nhs.uk/video/pages/medialibrary.aspx?Id={BFDE6027-5A36-4C38-934C-9C380DC66F13}&Uri=video/2009/January/Pages/Sneezing.aspx


The good news is that you will be able to spot twats a mile off. Like the knob jockey pictured in this article:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2404200.ece

martin
30-04-2009, 01:41 PM
Had to be a Man U fan, didn't it....cock

Listen, being serious for a minute. If I start spraying snot everywhere, rolling around in mud and oinking, shoot me. Remember, you won't be killing 'me' - I'll already be gone, it's just a virus using my body for camoflage. Do it, or I'll take you all with me.

matt b
30-04-2009, 01:47 PM
Had to be a Man U fan, didn't it....cock

Listen, being serious for a minute. If I start spraying snot everywhere, rolling around in mud and oinking, shoot me. Remember, you won't be killing 'me' - I'll already be gone, it's just a virus using my body for camoflage. Do it, or I'll take you all with me.

Ha!

I have decided that I'm going to start doing fake sneezes at every opportunity when I'm in the classroom.

Starting in an hours time

mistersloane
30-04-2009, 01:47 PM
Be safe, Martin, be safe:

http://www.nhs.uk/video/pages/medialibrary.aspx?Id={BFDE6027-5A36-4C38-934C-9C380DC66F13}&Uri=video/2009/January/Pages/Sneezing.aspx



"Flu viruses can spread if you don't catch your coughs or sneezes hygienically"

That's just not the right way of saying that, is it.

mistersloane
30-04-2009, 01:49 PM
The good news is that you will be able to spot twats a mile off. Like the knob jockey pictured in this article:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2404200.ece

'Staff Reporters' is such a great psyeudonym, I wish I'd thought of that one.

john eden
30-04-2009, 01:49 PM
"Flu viruses can spread if you don't catch your coughs or sneezes hygienically"

That's just not the right way of saying that, is it.

No it's shit.

But not as shit as someone on the radio this morning saying you can get it "from talking to someone who is infected". What, even on the phone?

Sick Boy
30-04-2009, 01:49 PM
The recorded deaths of this swine flu are so very, very low. More people die from regular flu. A lot more people. This is just SARS all over again. If I can't die from it, I don't care.

john eden
30-04-2009, 01:50 PM
The recorded deaths of this swine flu are so very, very low. More people die from regular flu. A lot more people. This is just SARS all over again. If I can't die from it, I don't care.

more every day tho.

matt b
30-04-2009, 01:52 PM
The recorded deaths of this swine flu are so very, very low. More people die from regular flu. A lot more people. This is just SARS all over again. If I can't die from it, I don't care.

you sick fucker- Martin's got a cough for christ's sake

john eden
30-04-2009, 01:55 PM
you sick fucker- Martin's got a cough for christ's sake

*takes revolver off "safety"*

matt b
30-04-2009, 02:00 PM
*takes revolver off "safety"*

I hate to admit this, but I think I'd be more like robert carlyle than an ice cold killer (even though I know I have too...)

Tentative Andy
30-04-2009, 02:02 PM
It's a real pig of a disease, no doubt.

:o

droid
30-04-2009, 02:07 PM
But not as shit as someone on the radio this morning saying you can get it "from talking to someone who is infected". What, even on the phone?

Thats right actually - its a meme not a virus, which is why only Spanish speaking people have died from it.

Tentative Andy
30-04-2009, 02:08 PM
In that case, should we ban Spanish language posts from the forum, just to be on the safe side?

martin
30-04-2009, 02:16 PM
It's a real pig of a disease, no doubt.

:o

That's in rather pork taste

droid
30-04-2009, 02:16 PM
No, its OK. If you cant understand it you just get normal flu.

martin
30-04-2009, 02:16 PM
Update - the sound in my left ear's gone all muffled

matt b
30-04-2009, 02:22 PM
Update - the sound in my left ear's gone all muffled

you're having a trough day

Tentative Andy
30-04-2009, 02:26 PM
No, its OK. If you cant understand it you just get normal flu.

Ha!

BareBones
30-04-2009, 02:34 PM
people on the tube wearing scarves around their mouths :rolleyes:

4linehaiku
30-04-2009, 02:38 PM
If this thing is going to kick off I hope it does so soon. I have exams I would like to get out of next week. Might as well get some silver lining on the go.
I can't think of many things worse than catching deadly flu in an exam hall. That's just not cool at all.

sufi
15-07-2009, 12:35 AM
http://uk.techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/picture-44.png

mistersloane
15-07-2009, 03:31 AM
http://uk.techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/picture-44.png

Wow. What the fuck is that? End days business.

For the record the Doc is working all hours and the phonelines are just jammed with people freaking out; it seems that the infastructure will collapse long before the nation dies. A national 'DON'T PANIC' alert will be imminent, a la wartime.

zhao
15-07-2009, 08:08 AM
WOW. all of a sudden this dosn't seem as crack pot as it did

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRjLSkVkY-U

edit: ok what's the deal. a lot of people are saying that BBC "looking" news story is a fake.

mistersloane
15-07-2009, 01:16 PM
WOW. all of a sudden this dosn't seem as crack pot as it did

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRjLSkVkY-U

edit: ok what's the deal. a lot of people are saying that BBC "looking" news story is a fake.

heh genius.

Mr. Tea
15-07-2009, 01:36 PM
Pffft, I remember that 'news' story from the first time round a few years back.

Also, is there anything guaranteed to make people panic quite so much as being told, especially by the government, not to panic?

massrock
15-07-2009, 01:38 PM
Don't Panic.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2005/oct/06/health.medicineandhealth3

massrock
15-07-2009, 01:38 PM
Don't Panic.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9mh9f_swine-flu-1976-propaganda_webcam

massrock
15-07-2009, 01:45 PM
Don't Panic.

Swine flu virus has mutated in London, scientists warn

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23719388-details/Swine+flu+virus+has+mutated+in+London,+experts+war n/article.do

massrock
15-07-2009, 01:49 PM
Don't Panic.

Unless you are fat.

http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601202&sid=aM.7Dg3Z_msI

massrock
15-07-2009, 02:03 PM
But seriously, don't panic. I'm in danger of worrying myself now.

Stay healthy, eat well. And if it gets really bad, stay away from the zombies!

unclerico
15-07-2009, 09:03 PM
Don't Panic.

Swine flu virus has mutated in London, scientists warn

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23719388-details/Swine+flu+virus+has+mutated+in+London,+experts+war n/article.do

actually upon closer inspection the article says just that scientists fear it could mutate

this has got to be one of the most pointlessly panic inducing headlines i've seen in a while

baboon2004
15-07-2009, 09:19 PM
I think we'll be fine if we give the army carte blanche to shoot everyone with a bit of a cough.

I doubt any more than one in two will die that way.

I bid you goodbye, gentle(wo)men, as I leave for my secret bunker in Pimlico.

nomadthethird
15-07-2009, 11:41 PM
Pandemic is imminent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8025931.stm

My partner is a doctor and says that the surgeries are totally prepared, though there seem to be no instances of Tamiflu being shipped to chemists yet, suggesting a slow response from the government.

Amazing stories about people walking into the practise reception sneezing going 'I went to Mexico the other week and seem to have a cold, what should I do?'. Perhaps not walk around the street sneezing, love.

Quite scary, really.


Thing is, tamiflu won't work against novel H1N1...it mutated directly in response to that and similar antiretrovirals, it has a special mutation that makes these sorts of treatments completely ineffective. None of them work, it's completely antiretroviral resistant, isn't it?

But, we shouldn't have been using them in the first place really. If we continue, we'll just keep making stronger flus, as they continue to evolve in response to our challenges.

four_five_one
16-07-2009, 11:16 AM
But, we shouldn't have been using them in the first place really. If we continue, we'll just keep making stronger flus, as they continue to evolve in response to our challenges.

Yes, I recommend echinacea instead. Keep it natural. Can't go wrong.

Everyone seems to be wearing these flu mask things here in Bangkok. The government is handing out 20 million of them free. Any worker exposed to the public pretty much has to wear one. Anyway, I was convinced I'd caught it yesterday when I developed a fever, went out with a guy on Friday who was sick, and they told him to stay off work for the week, suspecting the swine, so what else could I think?

Fortunately I'm getting an immense pain whenever I take a piss now, so it's probably actually something harmless like gonorrhea, thank god.

mistersloane
16-07-2009, 11:23 AM
[QUOTE=nomadthethird;194494]None of them work, it's completely antiretroviral resistant, isn't it?
QUOTE]

Not sure. A vaccine won't be available til September (hah) at earliest, and Tamiflu's not live, so I'm unconvinced that it'll cause a mutation, more like just act as a bigtime fever control. I'm not sure what Tamiflu actually does, will have to look it up.

None of the people who've died so far (in London, big panics over 'healthy' - what is that? - people dying) have been proven to even have died of 'it'. The media's being very, very irresponsible, it's horrible to watch.

mistersloane
16-07-2009, 11:25 AM
What it has shown is that in the event of a 'real' epidemic, the public can't be trusted to operate responsibly (the number of cases of people walking into doctor's surgeries to check whether their symptoms are swine flu or not is mind-boggling, let alone the family who all thought they were infected but still went to synagogue...true story) thus next time round - and I kinda think this was just a test case to see what would happen - next time round it's fucking lockdown.

crackerjack
16-07-2009, 11:44 AM
let alone the family who all thought they were infected but still went to synagogue...true story) .

brilliant - gotta link for that?

massrock
16-07-2009, 12:02 PM
actually upon closer inspection the article says just that scientists fear it could mutate

this has got to be one of the most pointlessly panic inducing headlines i've seen in a while
I think what Dr Oliver Pybus is saying in that article is that it will inevitably have mutated somewhere like London by now. What they need to keep a watch on is if it mutates into something significantly worse or different.

Would a vaccine for one strain necessarily be at all effective for a mutated strain? The vaccines are being prepared for the Autumn but a lot could happen by then.

mistersloane
16-07-2009, 12:17 PM
brilliant - gotta link for that?

It was at The Doc (my partner)'s surgery. They'd asked for a visit urgently before 8 o'clock on a Friday, doctor does home visit, gets there at 8.05 to find they've all gone synagogue...it would be funny...

crackerjack
16-07-2009, 12:30 PM
It was at The Doc (my partner)'s surgery. They'd asked for a visit urgently before 8 o'clock on a Friday, doctor does home visit, gets there at 8.05 to find they've all gone synagogue...it would be funny...

My brother and sis-in-law (both NHS, though my brother also has a nice lil private practice and is shockingly, disgustingly loaded, not that i envy the bastard) tell me about this stuff - people asking for home visits cos they've got trains to catch etc. - though not usually when they suspect they've got wildly contagious and potentially fatal disease and are in a rush to get to a public place. That's special.

mistersloane
16-07-2009, 01:32 PM
though not usually when they suspect they've got wildly contagious and potentially fatal disease and are in a rush to get to a public place. That's special.

Lol

Bang Diddley
16-07-2009, 02:07 PM
David Icke has a rant about the swine flu fear. Is there any truth in what he says are am I just being programmed by the man like he says.

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hmm what happened to embedding links ? Anyhow . . .

http://www.youtube.com/v/wkiclMWy3Ns&hl

massrock
16-07-2009, 02:10 PM
Thing is, tamiflu won't work against novel H1N1...it mutated directly in response to that and similar antiretrovirals, it has a special mutation that makes these sorts of treatments completely ineffective. None of them work, it's completely antiretroviral resistant, isn't it?

But, we shouldn't have been using them in the first place really. If we continue, we'll just keep making stronger flus, as they continue to evolve in response to our challenges.
One problem with Tamiflu (apparently) is that it isn't appropriately metabolised very thoroughly and most of it breaks down into a stable compound that can survive water filtration processes, feeding back into the water supply leading to animals ingesting the water to become incubators for Tamiflu resistant strains of the virus. This was a worry with the avian flu a couple of years ago and resistant strains were found to be passing from human to human.

Also suggested that prolonged use can lead to suicidal ideation. Nice.

Information garnered from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lJvr5UL2pQ

Mr. Tea
16-07-2009, 04:27 PM
Tammy Wynette has her own strain of flu virus now? :eek:

mistersloane
16-07-2009, 04:46 PM
Tammy Wynette has her own strain of flu virus now? :eek:

No mummy don't make me catch Tammy Wynette flu!

hucks
17-07-2009, 01:23 PM
Is this the perfect news story? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/17/swine-flu-recession-thinktank) Throw in a bit about Israel Palestine and The Guardian might actually ascend to nirvana

unclerico
17-07-2009, 01:42 PM
Yes, I recommend echinacea instead. Keep it natural. Can't go wrong.


might not be such a great idea - i've heard that both echinacea and elderberry extract, which are great for seasonal flu, are not so good for pandemic flu as they can increase inflammatory cytokines which can possibly increase the kind of immune system overeaction that in extreme cases leads to heathy young people dying

might be better to focus on antivirals such as garlic (and tamiflu of course) and anti-inflamatories such as turmeric extract as well as a hefty amount of vitamin d (which is said to be good for moderating immune response) either in the form of oily fish, cod liver oil or supplements

just a thought - i'm not claiming to know for sure but its just what i've picked up from reading around a bit, feel free to correct me if i'm talking rubbish

Mr. Tea
17-07-2009, 01:50 PM
Vitamin D, huh? Well a good sunny summer can only help on that front, I suppose.

Also I get through garlic at an almost scary rate, good to know it'll help ward off viruses as well as vampires. :cool:

massrock
17-07-2009, 02:00 PM
I was wondering about that, thanks for the reminder.

Some good information on natural antivirals and also what might be best avoided (including Echinacea) here:

http://www.the-health-gazette.com/health-gazette-blog/alternative-medicine/natural-antivirals


Research suggests certain natural foods may be as effective against virus H5N1 as commercial antivirals.

(PRWEB) May 10, 2006 -- A Biology teacher from Australia, named Stephen Jones, has done extensive research into the H5N1 virus and compiled a list of natural foods that are effective against it and listed others that are detrimental.

The list may come as a surprise to many people since foods such as spirulina and echinacea are listed as detrimental. This strange occurrence is largely due to the fact that the virus is immune to 2 cytokines that the body produces (TNF-a and IL-6). Cytokines are compounds produced by the bodyís immune system that attack and remove foreign bodies. The problem is that when a foreign body is immune to certain cytokines, the body sees that its immune response is not working and tries even harder, which can lead to what is called a cytokine storm, where the body becomes flooded with these compounds and they eventually destroy the body itself. Foods such as Echinacea actually stimulate the production of these specific cytokines; hence consuming it is not a good idea if one suspects they may have the virus.

During the 1918 Spanish Flu many healthy young people died from cytokine storms due to their immune systems overreacting. Consuming foods which suppress the production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 and enhance the production of the ones that actually are effective against the virus will aid the patient greatly.

Other foods that create mucous in the respiratory tract, such as bananas, are also listed as detrimental due to the fact that the predominant breeding ground of the virus is the respiratory tract and another way in which a patient may suffer is due to the body's over production of mucous in this area.

Folk Medicines and Herbs to use and avoid with Bird Flu

Below is a list of foods that are said to contain substances that are natural antivirals, immune boosters or they decrease cytokines TNF-a and IL-6.

Alternative medications that are most likely to help us during a severe pandemic:

Garlic (allicin) - Very effective antiviral. Best if fresh (raw) and crushed. Must be consumed within 1 hour of crushing. Dosage is initially 2 to 3 cloves per day but later reduce until no body odour occurs. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 9049657)

Vitamin C - Boosts the immune system and is an antiviral by blocking the enzyme neuraminadase. Viruses need neuraminadase to reproduce. There are anecdotal stories of people taking large amounts of Vitamin C (children Ĺ) surviving the Spanish Flu. Research shows that it may reduce the production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. A study on 470 people involved giving the test group 1000 mg hourly for 6 hours and then 1000 mg 3 times daily after reporting flu symptoms. Symptoms decreased by 85%. (Pubmed PMID 10543583, 634178, 16169205, 12876306)

Green Tea (possible Tamiflu/Relenza alternative)- Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the production of the cytokine (catechins) TNF-a. Inhibits neuraminidase. May have antiviral activity that is equal to other antivirals such as Tamiflu. (Pubmed PMID 16137775)

St Johns Wort (Hypericum) - Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the production of the cytokine IL-6. Hypericum is an extract from St Johnís Wort. There have been some very successful field trials in commercial flocks infected with H5N1 in Vietnam. (Pubmed PMID 7857513, 11518071, 11362353, 7857513, 11518071)

Vitamin E - Immune booster. Also decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 155882360, 10929076) Experiments involved using mice. Very suitable for immune compromised people, especially the elderly. Effects enhanced when taken with Vitamin C.

Apple Juice - Antiviral. Fresh apple juice including the pulp and skin has greater antiviral activity than heated commercial apple juice. More research is needed. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown. (Pubmed PMID 32832, 12452634)

Resveratrol - Antiviral. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, Resveratrol also sends a message to cells to stop manufacturing viruses. This is a proven antiviral found naturally in red wine, peanuts, mulberries, Japanese Knotwood root (richest source), raisins and red grapes. Resveratrol supplements are relatively inexpensive, are more stable than wine and is available in liquid form for absorption in the mouth. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 1583880, 12817628, 15985724)

Scuttellaria (Skullcap) - Antiviral. A herb used as a tea. It has no side effects and is also a mild tranquilliser. Research suggests neuraminidase, which is a substance needed by the H5N1 virus to reproduce, may be inhibited.

Cranberry Juice - Early research shows that it may be an antiviral, making viruses less able to invade or multiply. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown. (Pubmed PMID15781126)

Catís Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) - Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. Also boosts immune system. The number of white blood cells was significantly increased during treatment. No toxicity was noted. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed) Active constituents can be found in the leaves, bark, vine, and roots. Water extraction from bark used. Children and pregnant women are to avoid. Has a potentially damaging effect on the DNA of proliferating cells. (cancers, foetuses, growing children)

Curcumin (Tumeric Spice) - Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. This is the yellow compound in turmeric spice. Research shows that this may be very good for preventing a cytokine storm although this is not proven. Must be taken with food or gastritis or peptic ulcers may occur. Pregnant women and feeding mothers should avoid this. The medicinal properties of curcurnin cannot be utilised when used alone due to rapid metabolism in the liver and intestinal wall. When combined with Piperine found in black pepper the absorption is increased with no adverse effects. Obtainable from health stores in tablets, liquid, capsules already combined with piperine. Dosage is 500mg to 4000mg daily.

Astragalus root (Astragali Radix) - Boosts immune system. (Pubmed PMID15588652)

Tea tree Steam Inhalation - Reduces the cytokine TNF-a. Add 2 drops of tea tree oil in a bowl of steaming water. Cover head with a towel and inhale for 5 to 10 minutes. Relieves congestion and fights infection. Its effectiveness is unknown. (Pubmed PMID 11131302)

The following substances may be best to avoid during a H5N1 pandemic

Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6)

Micro Algae (Chlorella and Spirulina) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokine TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 11731916)

Honey - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID12824009)

Chocolate - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID 12885154, PMID 10917928)

Echinacea - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although it is often used for normal flu, research shows that it may increase the chance of cytokine storms for H5N1. (Pubmed PMID 15556647, 9568541)

Kimchi - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID15630182)

Dairy products & Bananas - AVOID - These foods increase mucous production.

References:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/ (search using Pubmed ID number listed after each food)

massrock
17-07-2009, 02:01 PM
Also I get through garlic at an almost scary rate, good to know it'll help ward off viruses as well as vampires. :cool:
Yeah but what to do about the zombies? :eek:

Mr. Tea
17-07-2009, 02:18 PM
Yeah but what to do about the zombies? :eek:

Fire. Shotguns. Improvised explosives. You know, the usual stuff.

unclerico
17-07-2009, 04:07 PM
I was wondering about that, thanks for the reminder.

Some good information on natural antivirals and also what might be best avoided (including Echinacea) here:



thats an absolutely fantastic list thanks!

i'm going to make up a store of some of this stuff just in case, as far as i can gather if the excessive immune response part of it can be dealt with the swine flu should be fairly manageable

another interesting thing is that brown rice might be a bad idea

despite being highly nutritious a lot of brown rice that is available, even the organic stuff, has high levels of arsenic which studies have shown can negatively affect our response to flu

in fact it said that it meant that people had an initially weak immune response which was then followed by an excessive cytokine response - which would be pretty grim in the case of swine flu

massrock
21-07-2009, 10:49 AM
Listen right, if you're going to have containers of swine flu on trains then at least try not letting them explode, mkay?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,621598,00.html


It has all the hallmarks of a disaster movie: A container filled with the swine flu virus explodes on a busy train. But that's exactly the scenario that briefly caused the Swiss authorities some alarm on Monday evening. In the midst of global fears of a swine flu pandemic, a container with swine flu exploded on a train carrying over 60 people.

zhao
21-07-2009, 11:08 AM
some alarming figures i saw this morning from Patrick Dixon off twitter:


(H1N1) has spread faster in 6 weeks than prev flu pandemics in 6 months.


World Health Organisation has stopped counting confirmed cases - many nations laboratories now overwhelmed.


focus no longer counting cases, but detecting sharp rises in death rates etc - signs of possible virus mutation.


with 1 million cases estimated US and 100,000 UK, doubling every week - EXPECT >100 million infections by December.

don't sound good at all :eek:


Death rate this one v low. But what about next one? Mutant viruses greater threat than global warming. One with the speed of Swine flu and danger of Sars cld kill 10s millns within 24 mths.

massrock
21-07-2009, 11:28 AM
Fresh garlic, green tea, lots of vit c.

zhao
21-07-2009, 11:34 AM
Fresh garlic, green tea, lots of vit c.

check (i can do almost 1 head every meal), check (3 cups a day), and check (fresh vegetable juice from the local caffee, best source)

but the ganja i'm not ready to cut out even if it's bad for the immune system.

swears
21-07-2009, 12:01 PM
Woman I work with off sick with this, everybody else seems OK, though.
Have plans for the weekend, so I hope I don't get it...

cobretti
21-07-2009, 12:40 PM
My boss/owner of the company has contracted swine flu and is off for the week. Jammy bastard.

Mr. Tea
21-07-2009, 12:42 PM
check (i can do almost 1 head every meal), check (3 cups a day), and check (fresh vegetable juice from the local caffee, best source)


You mean 'clove' rather than 'head', right? Because otherwise that just doesn't bear thinking about...

mistersloane
21-07-2009, 07:35 PM
Well, the Doc got swine flu so he's on house confinement for two weeks; trying to get the Tamiflu has been a joke - there's two (legal) suppliers in South London, one chemist in New Cross and the other in Streatham. No wonder it's been spreading so fucking fast, people have to fucking travel halfway across the city to get their fucking antivirals. Beggars belief really.

nomadthethird
26-07-2009, 10:17 PM
Well, the Doc got swine flu so he's on house confinement for two weeks; trying to get the Tamiflu has been a joke - there's two (legal) suppliers in South London, one chemist in New Cross and the other in Streatham. No wonder it's been spreading so fucking fast, people have to fucking travel halfway across the city to get their fucking antivirals. Beggars belief really.

Sorry to hear that Sloane. :( Hopefully he has a good strong doctor's immune system from picking up hospital superstrains for years...

From what I've heard the meds won't do much anyway, so don't break your back trying to get em. The the Mexicans and Americans who've had it say that the meds don't alleviate the symptoms much.

nomadthethird
26-07-2009, 10:19 PM
Yes, I recommend echinacea instead. Keep it natural. Can't go wrong.

Everyone seems to be wearing these flu mask things here in Bangkok. The government is handing out 20 million of them free. Any worker exposed to the public pretty much has to wear one. Anyway, I was convinced I'd caught it yesterday when I developed a fever, went out with a guy on Friday who was sick, and they told him to stay off work for the week, suspecting the swine, so what else could I think?

Fortunately I'm getting an immense pain whenever I take a piss now, so it's probably actually something harmless like gonorrhea, thank god.

Kidney infection you need antibiotics.

mistersloane
27-07-2009, 12:08 AM
Sorry to hear that Sloane. :( Hopefully he has a good strong doctor's immune system from picking up hospital superstrains for years...

From what I've heard the meds won't do much anyway, so don't break your back trying to get em. The the Mexicans and Americans who've had it say that the meds don't alleviate the symptoms much.

Yeah he's fine, just bored with being locked in the house. It's operating kinda like malaria rather than a flu - temperature rises twice a day during the afternoon, no obvious symptoms other than lethargy, and it's gone on forever, seven days now and still going.

Tamiflu just cuts a day off the illness apparently, and stops other drastic symptoms should they arise.

Careful about that if it is a kidney infection fourfiveone, they're really horrible if you don't nip them in the bud early.

zhao
27-07-2009, 04:58 AM
You mean 'clove' rather than 'head', right? Because otherwise that just doesn't bear thinking about...

well in america people say a head of garlic. as opposed to Gettin Some Head, which is either the act of receiving felatio, or a dope motherfucking track by Three Six Mafia.

Mr. Tea
27-07-2009, 09:15 AM
well in america people say a head of garlic. as opposed to Gettin Some Head, which is either the act of receiving felatio, or a dope motherfucking track by Three Six Mafia.

Sure, I wasn't thinking of oral sex (for once).

I just assumed you meant one clove of garlic:

http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/FDC/FDC102/clove-garlic_~900178.jpg

per meal, rather than one whole head/bulb of garlic:

http://www.robertkbrown.com/images/garlic_bulb.jpg

per meal.

But if you really do mean putting almost a whole bulb of garlic in each meal then I take my hat off to you. From a respectful distance! :)

Also, I never head anything about weed being bad for the immune system, so I guess you can smoke away...think of it in mediaeval terms, like using the smoke of precious incense to drive away 'bad airs'. :cool:

massrock
27-07-2009, 09:58 AM
As Morrissey discovered, some garlics are bigger than others.

zhao
27-07-2009, 10:01 AM
oh Mr. Tea i absolutely mean an entire (or nearly entire) HEAD of garlic in one meal, usually what, 10 cloves or so? and RAW. i just peel them, and then i eat them. preferrably with Jiao Ze (chinese dumplings), but goes with pretty much anything salty.

i don't usually do this because i realize the smell is pretty crazy strong for the rest of the day, and makes my girlfriend wince a bit, but if it comes down to my health or not offending people on the tube, you know which one's got to GO! (last 3 words with chris rock accent)

but from what i know tobacco and the sensi both do deplete the body of vitamins, and break down the immune system... as does most recreational drugs and alcohol.

Mr. Tea
27-07-2009, 10:42 AM
Respect!

droid
27-07-2009, 12:15 PM
Yeah, weed is bad for the old immune system.

BareBones
27-07-2009, 02:37 PM
is it more dangerous to contract swine flu if you're asthmatic (like me)?

because i've just been ignoring swine flu so far and happily thinking that i'll never get it, and if i do, it'll just be like having bad flu for a week. but if it's gonna like really fuck me up, i might start worrying about it more.

bassbeyondreason
27-07-2009, 03:05 PM
I'm asthmatic and I just got over it no trouble.
It also wasn't anywhere NEAR as bad as regular flu (as in proper paralysis and delirium flu, not what people call bad colds). The side effects of Tamiflu sound remarkably similar to the actual symptoms (plus, according to the pharmaceutical directory, in rare cases it can cause fucking HEPATITIS!).

BareBones
27-07-2009, 03:35 PM
nice one, thanks. back to not giving a shit then!

polystyle desu
21-09-2009, 05:37 AM
After they killed the pigs
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/world/africa/20cairo.html?em

mixed_biscuits
21-09-2009, 09:27 AM
What happens to the UK's organic waste?

Mr. Tea
21-09-2009, 02:53 PM
What happens to the UK's organic waste?

http://berlin.metblogs.com/archives/images/2006/11/doner.jpg

mixed_biscuits
21-09-2009, 02:58 PM
lol and porky fellows like myself end up eating it. :(

nomadthethird
21-09-2009, 04:54 PM
nice one, thanks. back to not giving a shit then!

Technically, influenza of any type can kill you if you have a compromised immune system from asthma.

This is the reason my doctor has been giving me for why he wants me to get a flu shot every year anyway.

I'm getting the swine flu vaccine for $18 through my school in a couple of weeks. I'm going to take it. No reason not to, really. I've never had a reaction to other flu vaccines.

nomadthethird
21-09-2009, 05:04 PM
I'm asthmatic and I just got over it no trouble.
It also wasn't anywhere NEAR as bad as regular flu (as in proper paralysis and delirium flu, not what people call bad colds). The side effects of Tamiflu sound remarkably similar to the actual symptoms (plus, according to the pharmaceutical directory, in rare cases it can cause fucking HEPATITIS!).

I hate that, thanks to the media and the internet, people are subjected to all kinds of medical information that they don't know how to properly interpret...this is why doctors freak out about the anti-vacc brigade.

It's extremely rare to get hepatitis from tamiflu, and I'd suspect that in cases where this has happened, it's not altogether clear that the person in question wasn't an IV drug user anyway, or on several other medications (which can cause liver damage in combination), or there were other extenuating factors. Even if the drug can cause hepatitis in and of itself, this doesn't mean it does, or that the risk-benefit analysis you'd run would come back suggesting "nobody should ever take this." (Mind you, there are other reasons not to overprescribe antiretrovirals, but hepatitis is not one of them...)

I'm on two medications right now, both of which can technically in one in several million cases cause hepatitis. And guess what? I don't have it. My most recent blood work just came back and my liver enzymes were actually abnormally low, somehow. My doctor was puzzled, but said there's nothing to worry about unless they're high. (Then I told him I wasn't surprised, I've always known that I have a superhuman liver, and that's why I could do ten times as many drugs as everybody else and not be phased by it...)

bassbeyondreason
23-09-2009, 04:30 PM
I know, I just found it funny.