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baboon2004
07-09-2009, 12:21 PM
Just making a general thread for questions about DAWs like Ableton, Logic etc.

My question: after using Reason for a while (great interface, shit sound), I've got Ableton :) and now have the luxury of using plug-ins at last. Don't want to collect hundreds and hundreds, so wondering if anyone has any recommendations for really good freeware FX plugins? Just want a decent compressor/saturator/delay etc so I've got the basics there ready to use.

Thanks in advance

Slothrop
07-09-2009, 12:56 PM
Just making a general thread for questions about DAWs like Ableton, Logic etc.

My question: after using Reason for a while (great interface, shit sound), I've got Ableton :) and now have the luxury of using plug-ins at last. Don't want to collect hundreds and hundreds, so wondering if anyone has any recommendations for really good freeware FX plugins? Just want a decent compressor/saturator/delay etc so I've got the basics there ready to use.

Thanks in advance
Kjaerhus Classic series are solid and do what they say on the tin.

Blockfish by DigitalFishPhones (don't ask me...) is a nice stripped down 'character' compressor, as well.

hint
07-09-2009, 01:00 PM
Mac or PC?

If Mac, what type of Mac (Intel or PPC?).

baboon2004
07-09-2009, 01:06 PM
ah, PC, sorry

baboon2004
07-09-2009, 01:54 PM
Kjaerhus Classic series are solid and do what they say on the tin.

Blockfish by DigitalFishPhones (don't ask me...) is a nice stripped down 'character' compressor, as well.

Ah yeah, downloaded the Digital Fish Phones FX yesterday, but thought the name too silly to include!

nomos
08-09-2009, 03:06 AM
i used to use these quite a bit. iirc the delay is nice and simple. some of the others are silly/useless.
http://mda.smartelectronix.com/effects.htm

mostly i'm happy with the ableton ones, though it could use a stripped down delay. doesn't version 8 have a new overdrive? mac has the advantage of coming with some good basics like eq, low pass filter, etc. i use those a lot because they're easy on the cpu.

hint
08-09-2009, 10:43 AM
Digitalfishphones Blockfish is a freebie classic.


- http://www.audiodamage.com/downloads/

Rough Rider is a handy "character" compressor. It has a high cut filter on it though, which means it's not ideal for everything.


- http://www.betabugsaudio.com/plugs.php

They have a couple of simple filters and a limiter.


- http://www.valhalladsp.com/plugins.html

FreqEcho wtf??!!?!?!!!?!


- http://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=36

Watkat.t.t.t.t.t.t.tttttttttttttttt

baboon2004
08-09-2009, 12:08 PM
Thanks for all the tips.

http://lesitedeburnie.free.fr/lalistedeburnie1-en.html - I found this list of free synths. Very well annotated so you can save time in choosing the one you need.

What do you mean by a stripped down delay, by the way, nomos? (may be a silly question)

Must say, from my investigations so far, Ableton is a brilliant interface (only minor exception being that I quite like a step drum machine where you see patterns easily, and I don't see one of those in Ableton). Whoever wrote the manual deserves a medal for clarity, too (which is obv not often the case)

massrock
08-09-2009, 12:10 PM
Digitalfishphones Endorphin is quite nice too.

Bionic Delay is a good tape style delay. http://www.interruptor.ch/vst_overview.shtml

Electri-q (Posifohpit) - one of the most flexible free EQs. http://www.aixcoustic.com/index.php/posihfopit_edition/30/0/

TLS Saturated Driver and Pocket Limiter. http://hem.bredband.net/tbtaudio/archive/archive.htm

I like the Slim Slow Slider compressors. http://www.geocities.jp/webmaster_of_sss/vst/

Flux Bittersweet II Transient Shaper. http://www.fluxhome.com/products/Freewares/bittersweet2

Free stuff from Voxengo - the amps are surprisingly good. http://www.voxengo.com/group/freevst/

Camel Audio Camelcrusher is a good extreme distortion / filter / compressor. http://www.camelaudio.com/camelcrusher.php

But the Variety Of Sound stuff has to be the best free mixing tools out there. This is really next level for freeware I think.

http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/downloads

massrock
08-09-2009, 12:23 PM
That list of synths looks decent - I find most free VST synths horrible but there are a few worth having. Synth1, ASynth, Rez, the TAL stuff.

Some amazing projects like these:

Ensoniq SQ80 simulation -

http://www.scoreforsale.com/html/sq8l.html

PPG Wave Simulator

http://www.hermannseib.com/english/synths/ppg/wavesim.htm

Don't know if these are in the list but the ones I've tried are very good.

http://www.vstcafe.com/search/label/ElektroStudio%20Plugins

baboon2004
08-09-2009, 12:48 PM
Thanks for all the recommendations, massrock. Having looked through lots of discussions about free synths, consensus seems to be around Synth1 and Crystal. Apparently there's a free version of Zebra which, tho' not as powerful, still sounds amazing.

nomos
08-09-2009, 01:37 PM
What do you mean by a stripped down delay, by the way, nomos? (may be a silly question)
Oh I just meant that all of Live's delays have extra bells and whistles when sometimes I just want a very straightforward one (no multiple delays, no panning, no filtering, etc.). I think that's one of the factors in things sounding Abletonish. I'd like it if one of them was as simple as a regular delay pedal, or Delay Line in Reason. Overall I love it as a DAW though, especially Rewired with Reason.

baboon2004
08-09-2009, 03:00 PM
Oh I just meant that all of Live's delays have extra bells and whistles when sometimes I just want a very straightforward one (no multiple delays, no panning, no filtering, etc.). I think that's one of the factors in things sounding Abletonish. I'd like it if one of them was as simple as a regular delay pedal, or Delay Line in Reason. Overall I love it as a DAW though, especially Rewired with Reason.

Ah, i see. Yeah, I'm using it Rewired with Reason, so I use Reason's delay unit 'cos I can't see much wrong with it (unlike other of its FX units, which aren't so great).

Out of interest, what elements of your tracks do you do in Reason, and which in Ableton? At present I'm just rewiring my Reason tracks into Ableton, stripping out most of the Reason effects and replacing them with Ableton's reverb etc (and adding the saturator to most things cos it sounds good...), with the intention of adding further audio lines with guitar, or maybe some warped vox...

baboon2004
08-09-2009, 05:01 PM
Also, can anyone recommend a cheapish but good brand of monitors? I just realised how different my mix sounds through my headphones and my speakers :o

massrock
08-09-2009, 07:32 PM
I hate that acronym 'DAW' though. I know everyone uses it, I want to say 'sequencer'.

massrock
08-09-2009, 07:47 PM
Also, can anyone recommend a cheapish but good brand of monitors? I just realised how different my mix sounds through my headphones and my speakers :o
That can be to do with the room / speaker placement as well.

Get this for mixing on headphones, makes it sound more like listening to speakers, top tip! - http://refinedaudiometrics.com/products-hdphx.shtml

nomos
08-09-2009, 09:55 PM
It's the drum programming in Reason that I can't let go of. I really like the drum computer and I hate doing them in Ableton. So that's the main thing I rewire, usually each sound with its own track. But I also don't mind doing synths in Reason so I use it for that too. Ableton for longer samples, recording and bouncing. Sometimes synths. I have a pretty messy workflow though when I even get that far along with a track :rolleyes:

I like my KRK Rokit 5 monitors though I'm pretty much resigned to not being able to do judge bass properly in my cube of a room. Luckily I have somewhere else I can go for that. Bit of a pain though.

baboon2004
09-09-2009, 10:20 AM
Yeah, i suspected it might be the Redrum that kept you using Reason. I find it and the Regroove swing feature ridiculously easy to use and get a goodish drum loop in 5 minutes.

I do like the Thor synth in Reason, esp when heard through Ableton's sound engine/FX, but I was using Crystal last night and, in comparison, it sounds next level (and it's free, of course, which makes me love it more).

pattycakes
09-09-2009, 08:02 PM
oatmeal (http://togeostudios.com/ts-blog/free-resources/oatmeal-free-vsti-synth/) is supposed to be a really good synth, a lot of people are surprised its free

ferox (http://www.jeroenbreebaart.com/audio_vst.htm) is a pretty nice tape saturation simulator which can be really good for subtle distortion/warmth. it does do extreme but i prefer nick crow (http://nickcrowlab.blogspot.com/)'s plugins for harsher distortion. i also used to really dig bram from smartelectronix's cyanide 2 (http://bram.smartelectronix.com/plugins.php?id=3) for distortion, but somehow it just doesn't sound as pleasing to me as the other ones

audio damage (http://www.audiodamage.com/downloads/)'s rough rider is a really good comp for squashing the shit out of things

and i recently came across admiral quality's naive lpf (http://www.admiralquality.com/products/NaiveLPF/) which is a pretty excellent sounding filter for the price

low band
10-09-2009, 01:06 PM
DAW - Pro Tools 8

Instruments - Zebra, Transfuser

Plugs - Massey, Cytomic Glue, u-he

baboon2004
10-09-2009, 06:05 PM
oatmeal (http://togeostudios.com/ts-blog/free-resources/oatmeal-free-vsti-synth/) is supposed to be a really good synth, a lot of people are surprised its free



I'd heard that - apparently there's a randomiser button which creates new presets within certain limits?

As to Zebra, does anyone know where I could get hold of the version that came out free on the front of Computer Music (some time ago, admittedly), called Zebra CM, appropriately enough?

massrock
10-09-2009, 06:17 PM
It's always on the DVD with the mag.

BareBones
11-09-2009, 09:56 AM
free vinyl emulation plug-in which is pretty good
http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/

massrock
11-09-2009, 11:04 AM
For the Dissensus jungle fetishists.

http://akaizer.blogspot.com/

muser
11-09-2009, 06:13 PM
TAL stuff is always pretty good quality
http://kunz.corrupt.ch/

http://www.tweakbench.com/ some great lo-fi synths and interesting granular/ delay etc effects.

http://www.voxengo.com/downloads/ more good qulaity mixing/mastering effects from voxengo.

id check out KVR forum aswell they have lots of info on free VST's

baboon2004
12-09-2009, 02:28 AM
http://www.tweakbench.com/ some great lo-fi synths and interesting granular/ delay etc effects.



Amazing site, thanks! great ambience creator there - so simple to use.

Edit:Pippo is a great little instrument, and Ritual sounds (in default) just like the bass on 2 Bad Mice/Blame

zhao
15-09-2009, 08:12 AM
wiggle a likkle!

baboon2004
15-09-2009, 10:32 AM
I have absolutely no excuse for this, apologies for the ridiculous delay. How many times have I been on the other end of this - it's v annoying, I know. I shall rip the two I haven't yet done tonight, and put it up on sendspace.

zhao
15-09-2009, 01:07 PM
cool. thanks babs. no emergency you understand. just sometime in the next week or so would be nice... and please do make sure they are 320k (load song into itunes and do "get-info" and one of the tabs will show bit rate)

cheers

baboon2004
15-09-2009, 01:19 PM
cool, i've got a program that rips at 320k

doyl
16-09-2009, 12:14 AM
TAL stuff is always pretty good quality
http://www.tweakbench.com/ some great lo-fi synths and interesting granular/ delay etc effects.


How does this guy have the time/ afford to host and create all these free VSTs?

Chef Napalm
18-09-2009, 01:32 PM
Slightly off-topic: is anybody still using Cubase?

massrock
18-09-2009, 04:04 PM
Why?

I still use Cubase LE for recording sometimes. :o

I'll tell you what though, considering it was free and it came out in 2004 it does a heck of a lot, and it's really easy on resources - modern PCs hardly notice it's there at all. My main music PC isn't all that modern...

Cubase 5 is meant be very good. For ages I've been wanting an excuse to buy something that comes with a free Cubase LE4.

Aera Aleph
18-09-2009, 10:16 PM
if you don't know already, i guess you should check:

http://www.gersic.com/plugins/

really good database, has pretty much every plug-in covered.
now you only have to choose...like a child in a candy store.

Aera Aleph
18-09-2009, 10:25 PM
that akaizer thing looks great...

Benny B
19-09-2009, 02:30 PM
This is great, cheers man!

baboon2004
20-09-2009, 01:20 PM
ableton/reason q - there's no pattern sequencer in Ableton for drums, hence I use Redrum to make all the drums, and then move the notes round in midi whilst putting the audio thru Live.

However, the drum sounds I have in Live are generally better than those in Reason. Is there any way that I can use those sounds within the Reason pattern sequencer. I guess I could record them as wav files and then import into Redrum, but that's quite a long process- is there any easier way?

Aera Aleph
20-09-2009, 05:55 PM
it depends - if the drums you like / use in ableton are samples, you could just right click --> "show in browser" or "show in explorer" so you can locate the original sample on your harddrive. now you should be able to import it into redrum.

if you are using synthesized drums you would have to render them to wav.

btw. this is a great resource for quality drumsounds: http://www.goldbaby.co.nz/
some of them are free, but esp. tape 808 / 909 are really good.

Aera Aleph
20-09-2009, 05:58 PM
seems like joker is diggin them too...
http://www.goldbaby.co.nz/artists.html

pattycakes
20-09-2009, 07:47 PM
goldbaby are a really solid sample company. the free packs they made for fxpansion's guru are pretty much my go-to drums atm, acoustic or electronic. their samples of classic drum machines are by far the fattest i've heard. i'm quite tempted by the sp1200 pack they recently brought out.

pattycakes
20-09-2009, 09:23 PM
ableton/reason q - there's no pattern sequencer in Ableton for drums, hence I use Redrum to make all the drums, and then move the notes round in midi whilst putting the audio thru Live.

However, the drum sounds I have in Live are generally better than those in Reason. Is there any way that I can use those sounds within the Reason pattern sequencer. I guess I could record them as wav files and then import into Redrum, but that's quite a long process- is there any easier way?

is there any reason why you don't use the piano roll for drums?

Chef Napalm
21-09-2009, 11:51 AM
Why?
Most of the guys I know who started with Cubase have switched to Logic.


I still use Cubase LE for recording sometimes. :o

I'll tell you what though, considering it was free and it came out in 2004 it does a heck of a lot, and it's really easy on resources - modern PCs hardly notice it's there at all. My main music PC isn't all that modern...

Cubase 5 is meant be very good. For ages I've been wanting an excuse to buy something that comes with a free Cubase LE4.
I'm also running LE and, as you say, it is very easy on the system. What I like about it is that it's so stripped down that you're forced to really understand what you're trying to do so you can figure out a work-around. Necessity is the mother of invention, after all.

The only thing I don't like about it is that the time-stretching is total shit. You can only compress/stretch maybe 2 or 3 bpm (0.5s on a 4-bar loop) before you can hear the aliasing.

I considered upgrading to Cubase 5, but it would mean rebuilding my PC.

pattycakes
28-09-2009, 11:22 PM
But the Variety Of Sound stuff has to be the best free mixing tools out there. This is really next level for freeware I think.

http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/downloads

nice one for hipping me to these. they're really amazing quality

michael
30-09-2009, 07:49 PM
I swear I wrote a post here the other day, not sure what happened...

Anyway, was saying I use AudioMulch as my "DAW" and that it operates very differently from a sequencer (it has no MIDI sequencing or waveform view, for example) but has some cool things about it. That's all. :)


Oh, and I suggested you could download basic64 if you wanted a free make-me-sound-like-Rustie VST synth. (Windows only)

http://www.delamancha.co.uk/basic.htm

Papercut
02-10-2009, 02:08 AM
^^^
whats your work flow with audiomulch.

i've used the demo before, not sure how i'd make that work.

are you recording audio from it on to something external, pretty curious.

michael
03-10-2009, 10:50 PM
No, I usually work the whole thing through to pre-master stage in Mulch.

I usually start by building up a lot of looping elements - which is what I was doing with MIDI sequencer + sampler / synths. Sometimes this involves a clear A/B section - e.g. two basslines, sets of chords, etc. in which case I usually put each section in its own mixer so I can mute one or the other with a single click.

Before attempting to structure out a track I sometimes export loops I've made so I can basically work with my own riffs as if they're samples. Play them back at different octaves / half-speed / double-speed / etc. I'm quite into sequencing bits in reverse, exporting them and then reversing the loop.

Then I use a lot of automation to mute/unmute/fade/filter in/filter out elements. I'm paranoid about just having a bunch of loops coming in and out, though, so usually part of this automation will involve working with making variations as the track's structure comes together. I re-work bits, add variations / fills, throw in little one-off events. Lots of messing with little sample-and-hold VSTs, adding harmonies via granulators, shifting stuff to be in new phase relationships with the beat. Again, that requires more automation to drop things in and out or switch presets.

I don't have any kind of MIDI controller, so my approach to automation is largely programmed, although I do sometimes record parameter tweaking I do with the mouse.


I met Mulch's creator while living in Melbourne, Australia and he basically told me he thought I liked to do stuff the hard way. :p Haha. he basically couldn't figure out why I'd ended up using his product for sorta trad beat-based stuff... Ah well. :)

Papercut
04-10-2009, 08:41 PM
yeah on the surface that does seem to be an inefficent way of working, but in practice i'm sure you've probably got it flowing well for you.

i'm sure theres huge differences in how people work with the sam DAW and stuff aswell. theres always something new to figure out or lots of features that i don't know about cause i dont work that way.

michael: do you think that making music that way impacts or colours your output and the choices you make musically at all? what sort of music is it?

Grievous Angel
04-10-2009, 09:39 PM
Most of the guys I know who started with Cubase have switched to Logic.

i switched

pattycakes
04-10-2009, 10:36 PM
i also switched from cubase to logic but as i'm on pc i eventually went the way of ableton.

michael
05-10-2009, 01:11 AM
michael: do you think that making music that way impacts or colours your output and the choices you make musically at all? what sort of music is it?

I guess so, at least to a certain extent. It took me a while to get my head around how to efficiently sequence changes to riffs and so on, so I certainly did much less of that and more treating my own riffs like other people's samples - editing / reversing / transposing etc. - to create variations.

But, that said, the overall workflow is not actually that far from what I used to do with sequencer + sampler - build up loops, structure them out, do more work to keep it interesting (or whatever suggested itself based on what I'd done so far). Even the re-sampling stuff is something I used to do with hardware - write a melody on a synth and sample it as a complete phrase, then use the sampler to chop it up (The ol' velocity > sample point trick - man I was gutted when Prefuse 73 came along ;) transpose or filter it.

The music I do solo is inoffensive ;) downtempo "electronica" stuff. I get compared to Boards of Canada, but was never actually very interested in them. Anyway. Here's some free stuff if you want to contrast the working methods, etc. - http://www.nonwrestler.com/downloads.html The first 4 Jet Jag tunes are Mulch, first 2 remixes, plus the Montano tracks. The rest is basically an ancient sequencing app (pre-DAW, really) called Master Tracks Pro, used to control an Emu ESI-32 sampler.

Chef Napalm
05-10-2009, 12:09 PM
i switched

i also switched from cubase to logic but as i'm on pc i eventually went the way of ableton.
See what I mean?

As and aside, were either of you fellas working with Version 3+? I've been trying to track down that strings VST, Embracer.

pattycakes
05-10-2009, 01:41 PM
yeah 3.7 was the last version i used... dunno where you could find embracer tho

Chef Napalm
05-10-2009, 05:03 PM
It comes with Cubase SX3, 4 and now 5, but only with the full versions.

No one ever posts the embracer vst because it's bundled with the software for free.

routes
06-10-2009, 09:58 AM
great thread this, interesting to snoop around the world of freeware vsts a bit. as a longtime logic/mac user most of this is pretty alien to me. i sent my friend the tweakbench link and he was seriously loving it, props for that one. in my own stuff i almost always use external sound sources and fx so i've never bothered with much software, but i'm going to be moving about for a couple of months and i'm trying to set up my laptop with a couple of interesting toolz.. i've scoured the links in the thread already and haven't found much, so if anyone can link me to some reliableish free OSX-compatible Audio Unit softsynths/plugins i'd be really grateful... i've already got the TAL fx which are pretty cool, and i grabbed the Rough Rider compressor and Camel Crusher distortion, both look useful.. really, i'm after a simple, nice-sounding monosynth.. :)

pattycakes
06-10-2009, 01:06 PM
try using the kvr plugin search

http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php

routes
06-10-2009, 02:12 PM
great, thanks, will have a look..

Papercut
07-10-2009, 03:09 AM
thanks michael, will download those and give them a proper listen.

baboon2004
12-10-2009, 11:57 AM
is there any reason why you don't use the piano roll for drums?

(note to those who've not read the whole thread: we were talking about Ableton and its lack of a step sequencer)

never got round to answering, sorry. i have since tried using the piano roll in ableton to input drums. i'm slowly getting used to it, and it's not as bad as i thought. I think i preferred step sequencers (eg Redrum) previously asthey appealed to my notion of 'mathematically mapping a beat out', as opposed to hearing it as i built it up.

Tweak Head
13-10-2009, 05:16 PM
Anybody tried Propellerhead's new Record? Seems likea good way of expanding Reason and apparently allows a better sound. Any thoughts?

pattycakes
19-10-2009, 12:16 PM
(note to those who've not read the whole thread: we were talking about Ableton and its lack of a step sequencer)

never got round to answering, sorry. i have since tried using the piano roll in ableton to input drums. i'm slowly getting used to it, and it's not as bad as i thought. I think i preferred step sequencers (eg Redrum) previously asthey appealed to my notion of 'mathematically mapping a beat out', as opposed to hearing it as i built it up.

right, first time i ever used any sequencing software it was cubase with it's piano roll/drum roll and that's been the only way for me ever since. never really got why people liked step sequencers. but then i guess it really depends what kind of drums you want to program. when i first started out i was more trying to make things that were more detailed/realistic. these days not so much 'cos i make a lot of 4/4 & 2step type beats. actually for programming drums fxpansion's guru (sorry to mention it in yet another thread) is a really nice medium between the piano roll and step sequencer. anyway, i really just wanted to say that if you have to set up a rewire just to program drums it might be worth spending a bit more time with the piano roll. but that's just me, lately i'm all about having less and less shit to mess with/think about.

but yeah, whatever's clever :)

routes
04-11-2009, 03:37 PM
there's a download of a pretty cool enveloper plugin here (http://www.spl.info/software/download/attacker4free.php), free for short while...

hint
04-11-2009, 04:55 PM
Attacker's not really all that useful and the authorisation hoops you have to jump through make it less appealing.

Flux Bittersweet is also free. More subtle than Attacker:
https://www.fluxhome.com/download

Logic's bundled Enveloper plugin is useful.

Stillwell's Transient Monster is only $50:
http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=18

===

Some other freebies of note:

Brainworx have a hi / lo pass filter (Clean Sweep):
http://www.brainworx-music.de/index.php?nav=36&um=0&lang=en

Sonalksis have a gain control with metering and phase reverse (FreeG):
http://www.sonalksis.com/index.php?section_id=99

Massey started to build an Audio Unit version of his Tape Head saturation plugin, but gave up and put up the functional GUI-less version for free instead:
http://www.smassey.com/au.html

Airwindows has loads of free stuff (Mac AU only, scroll down the front page):
http://www.airwindows.com/

routes
04-11-2009, 05:15 PM
thanks for that, the flux thing is great..

pattycakes
06-11-2009, 05:59 PM
Anyone looking to buy Ableton Suite 8?

I have a download version license and am willing to sell it for quite a bit less than what it's currently going for

PM me if you're interested

BareBones
12-10-2011, 10:46 AM
I'm getting a new laptop soon which will probably come with Windows 7 64bit. At the moment i'm running a cracked copy of Ableton live 6 - does anyone know if i'll still be able to run Live 6 on a 64bit OS?

And also if there happens to be anyone like pattycakes above who is selling a licence for Live 8 for a reasonable price then please get in touch cos i'd definitely be interested in a legit copy if it wasn't so expensive

baboon2004
13-10-2011, 10:17 AM
Can't help with a licence, but if you do buy Ableton, be sure to transfer the to a friend who is in full time education (or a lecturer) to buy it for you if possible, much cheaper. All they have to do is provide a photocopy of their status, very easy.

I mention cos that's my plan - the original price is just too damn high, as good as the programme is.

Slothrop
13-10-2011, 10:41 AM
I mention cos that's my plan - the original price is just too damn high, as good as the programme is.
Pretty cheap for what it does and how much work must have gone into it TBH.

In other news, Reaper has had a price hike to a shocking $60 for the new version - worth a look if Ableton seems too pricey.

baboon2004
13-10-2011, 11:04 AM
Pretty cheap for what it does and how much work must have gone into it TBH.

In other news, Reaper has had a price hike to a shocking $60 for the new version - worth a look if Ableton seems too pricey.

Yeah, compared to a lot of things it probably is worth that much; it's just that it's still a lot of money that I dont' have at the moment!

pattycakes
13-10-2011, 01:50 PM
if you're using a cracked v.6 then just use a cracked v.8!

BareBones
13-10-2011, 02:27 PM
haha yeah i've tried but every copy i've found of it doesn't work...

Slothrop
13-10-2011, 02:28 PM
Yeah, compared to a lot of things it probably is worth that much; it's just that it's still a lot of money that I dont' have at the moment!
Use Reaper? It's about 50, and it's got an unrestricted free 'demo' version so you can continue to use it until you save the cash up.

BareBones
13-10-2011, 02:58 PM
here's another question for you boffins if you'd be so kind

some of the laptops i'm thinking of buying have the option of downgrading the OS from Windows 7 64bit to XP - is this a good idea?

Aww Nein
13-10-2011, 11:05 PM
I'm getting a new laptop soon which will probably come with Windows 7 64bit. At the moment i'm running a cracked copy of Ableton live 6 - does anyone know if i'll still be able to run Live 6 on a 64bit OS?

And also if there happens to be anyone like pattycakes above who is selling a licence for Live 8 for a reasonable price then please get in touch cos i'd definitely be interested in a legit copy if it wasn't so expensive

yeah, it should work fine, it does on my co.... err, friends computer. in fact so does the latest ableton with max for live (cracked), which is well worth it for all the free max pluggins from there website that do crazy things (like draw a distortion curve realtime, or sidechain any parameter on any effect using audio in...)

wise
14-10-2011, 08:13 AM
here's another question for you boffins if you'd be so kind

some of the laptops i'm thinking of buying have the option of downgrading the OS from Windows 7 64bit to XP - is this a good idea?

I did this on my music desktop, had to get a crack for Windows XP though it's well expensive if you pay for it.
It works fine, although I also have a dual boot into Vista (that I never use) which I tried to update to Windows 7 and I could never get that to work properly.

baboon2004
14-10-2011, 11:12 AM
Use Reaper? It's about 50, and it's got an unrestricted free 'demo' version so you can continue to use it until you save the cash up.

Thanks - I'm going to try the demo version this weekend, see if I can get my head round it

BareBones
14-10-2011, 11:59 AM
Thanks everyone.

wise, I was looking at asus laptops - if you buy from their website you have the option a few of them to downgrade to XP for 30. my mate says all my music software will run better on it because loads of people have had problems with windows 7, but then other people have said i'd basically be an idiot to downgrade to an OS that's 10 years old. So I dunno really.

muser
14-10-2011, 12:54 PM
I have a ASUS laptop and have alot of problems with latency spikes that cause dropouts when running DAW's and weird granular sounding glitches when listening to music, like 2.13 in here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNcB1D9seqc. Which seems to be caused by a loads of different things which is really frustrating and a pity because they have got a really good reputation.

Firstly the integrated NVIDEA card that comes with asus laptops has really bad drivers that cause this, you can get some software that seems to make it better by changing some settings you cant change manually. But also coming from sleep mode or having a system resume will mean that you recieve these large latency spikes also, and I wouldnt be suprised if windows 7 is a culprit aswell.

I think (not sure about this though) that the biggest resources hog of windows 7 vs XP is the "aero" GUI which you can turn off, I quite like the OS to be honest but I think XP is probably a good idea. I'd also be wary of asus laptops because of the problems I've been having with latency spikes which I havnt been able to find any concrete resolutions, but maybe look up on the specific model you are thinking of getting to see if anyone has talked about having specific problems, especially with latency spikes because they can be caused by loads of things, not just what I mentioned but network adaptors, usb drivers etc. I have managed to get mine running, when all the right conditions are met, pretty much without any audible latency spikes (the latency checker still shows quite a few but they dont effect audio/video), but really I'd avoid anything with those NVIDEA G100 integrated gfx cards like the plague.

BareBones
14-10-2011, 03:08 PM
massively helpful, thanks muser!

anyone got any good or bad things to say about toshiba laptops?
w/r/t running DAWs i mean, ableton live in particular

pattycakes
15-10-2011, 01:52 PM
i find laptops to be way harder to tame than desktops. if i were you i'd hit the ableton forum and ask people there about which laptops are working well and with what soundcard.

baboon2004
05-12-2011, 02:40 PM
Reaper is brilliant, so thanks for all the recs in that direction.

Quick question - do ppl here use transient designers to make the drums punch through the mix, or just the 'traditional' compression etc?

baboon2004
05-01-2012, 04:06 PM
Reaper query, cos I know some of you use it. I'm trying to render a track to .wav, where i have put a mastering vst over the whole track, that brings the master level up to -0.1dB when I use one of the presets on the vst (not trying to do anything exact at present, just see how it sounds).

When it is rendered however, there is loads of digital distortion on the resultant wav file. The only thing I can think of is that for some reason it's somehow not registering the effect of the vst on the master track, but I have no idea why. Any ideas?

mistersloane
05-01-2012, 11:49 PM
Reaper query, cos I know some of you use it. I'm trying to render a track to .wav, where i have put a mastering vst over the whole track, that brings the master level up to -0.1dB when I use one of the presets on the vst (not trying to do anything exact at present, just see how it sounds).

When it is rendered however, there is loads of digital distortion on the resultant wav file. The only thing I can think of is that for some reason it's somehow not registering the effect of the vst on the master track, but I have no idea why. Any ideas?

Is there a normalize button? In Logic when you press 'export' there comes up a series of functions - i.e. export to wav etc and one of those is 'do you want this normailsed' and you want that turned off, otherwise it overloads everything. In Logic anyway, hope it's the same for Reaper.

hint
06-01-2012, 03:44 PM
Quick question - do ppl here use transient designers to make the drums punch through the mix, or just the 'traditional' compression etc?

I use the release section on Logic's Enveloper to either clip sounds short (when cutting) or get a blown-out drum sound (when boosting). Never got good results from playing with the attack settings.

I was taught an old Hip Hop trick years ago with the hardware Transient Designer where you put the kick and snare through a channel each and cut the tails really short, then compress / distort / whatever and then mix these processed versions back in under the original sounds. Much better way of getting more attack rather than just boosting the attack on a transient designer.

baboon2004
07-02-2012, 11:40 AM
thanks for the replies guys (he says, a month later)!

that hip hop trick sounds good, a version of parallel compression, sort of, except with chopping the tails too? Put my drums thru parallel compression at the weekend for the first time and they sound WAY punchier.

Still having issues with rendering and bouncing. Thanks for the reply Sloane, not sure it is about normalisation though, cos it seems to do weird things when I render (either ignoring mastering processing, or screwing things up in arpeggiators...argh), whereas bouncing always turns out OK...