Reynolds on Caspa's LP. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/may/01/caspa-dubstep-wobble-yob
MMS: did he quote you?
MMS: did he quote you?
Dubstep
viktorvaughn
Well-known member
i quite like the phrase dilla'n'bass
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
Interesting point, though - he's hitting on the old jungle distinction between 'progressives' trying to make it sound like something else and the 'mainstream' trying to make it sound increasingly like (a particular version of) itself.
Also it seems a bit weird that the whole thing has coalesced into a kneejerk hatred of a particular sound, rather than a (more reasonable) complaint against a certain vibe, a certain style of DJing (all wobbly bangers all night), or a certain approach to producing. So many people say they hate wobble, how many of them hate (eg) One Blood One Source by Pinch...
On which note, could someone please explain to SR what an oscillator actually is?
Also it seems a bit weird that the whole thing has coalesced into a kneejerk hatred of a particular sound, rather than a (more reasonable) complaint against a certain vibe, a certain style of DJing (all wobbly bangers all night), or a certain approach to producing. So many people say they hate wobble, how many of them hate (eg) One Blood One Source by Pinch...
On which note, could someone please explain to SR what an oscillator actually is?
Totally agree. You'd think he's American the way he perceives British culture. Danny Dyer films? It's sad.
Tentative Andy
I'm in the Meal Deal
Interesting article. I got the slightly weird impression from it that he wants to like Caspa and the wobblecore sound more than he actually does. Haven't heard Caspa's album yet, so will withhold judgement. Whether intentional or not, 'those dreaded students' was a nice pun, given the context of dubstep. 
viktorvaughn
Well-known member
Also the fact that some of the early sawing metalic trax were actually wicked cos you heard one or two at the peak of a varies set and they sounded mint. Some comically big wobbler ditto, it can be fun to dance around to, it's only if these sounds dominate and become a mini subgenre that its problematic...
matt b
Indexing all opinion
What's with The Wire sniping?
mos dan
fact music
reynolds in determinism over sonics shocker?
he refers to "the Genre Formerly Known as W****y" lol
and he cites a rave he went to.. (albeit in 2007): shockingly in thrall to western empiricism, tsk tsk, what would k punk say.
nomos
Administrator
i was hoping my funkless farting robots would make the inventory of caspa-critical epithets
it's a curious review because caspa basically epitomizes what SR and other notables have always said they don't like about dubstep (beginning, strangely, in about 2004, well before such a sound was a reality: hyperstition at work?) yet here he's taking swipes at "original dubstep headz and scene custodians" for raising complaints similar to his own. also, the notion of dubstep having a mainstream and margins has been around for years, along with the argument between maintaining the "big happy family" myth and accepting the freedom that goes with abandoning the core.
it's a curious review because caspa basically epitomizes what SR and other notables have always said they don't like about dubstep (beginning, strangely, in about 2004, well before such a sound was a reality: hyperstition at work?) yet here he's taking swipes at "original dubstep headz and scene custodians" for raising complaints similar to his own. also, the notion of dubstep having a mainstream and margins has been around for years, along with the argument between maintaining the "big happy family" myth and accepting the freedom that goes with abandoning the core.
Tentative Andy
I'm in the Meal Deal
You know what would be a good idea? We should put together a list of wobble-centric tracks we think are actually good, and then see if there are any shared characteristics to it.
I'm not going to be the man to start it though, will cede to those with greater depth in knowledge.
I'm not going to be the man to start it though, will cede to those with greater depth in knowledge.
With regards to your above post Andy, I would love to help build such a list, however..
It seems to me that the wobble sound was used well in tracks, until a certain point.
(For me, this was when I had heard Caspa & Rusko do it, I was like yea, thats nang, cockney thug, badboy, so what next...except that 'next' never came & thats all they seemed to have churned out since)
However, previous to this, I would lay down some examples such as
Skream - Blipstream
Pinch - Chamber Dub
Jakes - 3Kout
Benga - Roller
The Others - Flapjack
Skream - Glamma/Gamma (?)
Nowdays I can count on 1 hand the amount of tracks i have heard since say 4 months into 2008, which have wobbles, that I actually like, 1 being
Benga & Kutz - Ill Kut Ya
It seems to me that the wobble sound was used well in tracks, until a certain point.
(For me, this was when I had heard Caspa & Rusko do it, I was like yea, thats nang, cockney thug, badboy, so what next...except that 'next' never came & thats all they seemed to have churned out since)
However, previous to this, I would lay down some examples such as
Skream - Blipstream
Pinch - Chamber Dub
Jakes - 3Kout
Benga - Roller
The Others - Flapjack
Skream - Glamma/Gamma (?)
Nowdays I can count on 1 hand the amount of tracks i have heard since say 4 months into 2008, which have wobbles, that I actually like, 1 being
Benga & Kutz - Ill Kut Ya
it's not the wobble that's the problem though, is it, it's the lack of imagination and the shitty colourless dull mid-range to it all. rsd's stuff wobbles like fuck, ditto skream's prime stuff, and that's all amazing; there's a presence to it that caspa very rarely achieves.
Tentative Andy
I'm in the Meal Deal
Yeah, I would kind of agree with that. What mystifies me though, is, why is that people still go nuts to it on the dancefloor? What is it that they see in it that 'we' seemingly don't.
I'm going to be a dick and plug my DMZ blog review again:
http://tentativeblogger-andy.blogspot.com/2009/04/initiation-in-bass-weight-dmz.html
in which I try and discuss when and why this sort of sound works and doesn't work. Still feel something is evading me though. Headache.
Nice list, alex. For Skeram I would def add Oskillatah (But is that 'pure' wobble? I dunno?).
Alfons
Way of the future
don't want to derail the thread as this is an interesting subject but...
has the Ramadan man Apple Pips Pipscast been covered here, coz it is amazing! Diverse and great selection and expertly blended, someone plz provide a tracklist!
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has the Ramadan man Apple Pips Pipscast been covered here, coz it is amazing! Diverse and great selection and expertly blended, someone plz provide a tracklist!
http://appleblim.podomatic.com/