how much MONEY do you make?
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every week, my mum gets really excited and sad about the lottery. She always says to me, "it doesn't matter [about any number of money-related problems], we're going to win the lottery this week aren't we!", or "let's win that lottery this week!"
I think if I did ever actually win the lottery, i'd be way more happier for my mum than for myself.
EDIT: "more happier"? God, what is happening to me?
I think if I did ever actually win the lottery, i'd be way more happier for my mum than for myself.
EDIT: "more happier"? God, what is happening to me?
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just think of it as
or a game where you are throwing shit at the wall to see which one sticks. it's fun! and you win real prizes like offices with views and of course the checks which come in every month!
(why do they need a board game called life, life is itself a board game already)
Elijah
Butterz
ive had a weird year, i just completed my degree, and just got a job straight away. In a call center earning £7. Great.
Its unlikely that I will be actually be able to get anything that im worth for a while coz of this recession, so its good to be earning while im looking. My friends that have graduated in the last two years are also in similar positions. Either doing full time retail, or on the rock & roll.
National disgrace really, GRADUATES on the dole.
Im lucky, i have low overheads, I live with mum and dont have a car so the money im left with after topping up my oyster card and buying fried chicken goes on my subs for rinse fm, records and taking out the mrs.
music money is few and far between, but I will be stepping my game up now I have no constraints of studying.
Its unlikely that I will be actually be able to get anything that im worth for a while coz of this recession, so its good to be earning while im looking. My friends that have graduated in the last two years are also in similar positions. Either doing full time retail, or on the rock & roll.
National disgrace really, GRADUATES on the dole.
Im lucky, i have low overheads, I live with mum and dont have a car so the money im left with after topping up my oyster card and buying fried chicken goes on my subs for rinse fm, records and taking out the mrs.
music money is few and far between, but I will be stepping my game up now I have no constraints of studying.
"on the rock and roll" means playing in bands or something else more exciting?
anyone making money with their art or music completely? (sell out designers don't count) you getting shows? your stuff (be it sculptures or records) is selling?
i hear a lot of galleries in Berlin have already closed, but non the less i will be stepping into that game, playing to win of course, this year.
anyone making money with their art or music completely? (sell out designers don't count) you getting shows? your stuff (be it sculptures or records) is selling?
i hear a lot of galleries in Berlin have already closed, but non the less i will be stepping into that game, playing to win of course, this year.
I've been reading this book this week, which is excellent and I'd recommend it to anyone. It looks like a cheesy self-help book but it isn't.
http://www.happinesshypothesis.com/
The dude is a social psychologist who has studied what makes people happy. Surprisingly it isn't piles of dosh. He kind of says a lot of things that we all know or at least pay lip service to, but it's interesting to see them validated by research and experiments. He has lots of interesting things to say about jobs and career as well. Well worth reading, if this thread is making you miserable.
http://www.happinesshypothesis.com/
The dude is a social psychologist who has studied what makes people happy. Surprisingly it isn't piles of dosh. He kind of says a lot of things that we all know or at least pay lip service to, but it's interesting to see them validated by research and experiments. He has lots of interesting things to say about jobs and career as well. Well worth reading, if this thread is making you miserable.
mos dan
fact music
they don't feel good. i speak as one who fortunately does not have a job to lose in the current crisis - in that i'm self-employed/freelance. all my mates with jobs at newspapers are bricking it or planning to retrain as teachers
to answer thread question title, i earned about 17k last year and survived living in london... i did it on 15k the year before.. you just need low overheads. saying that, if i don't get more editing work in soon i may have to get a real job again, which would be heartbreaking.
money of course does not make one happy. it's the things that money buys: trophy wife/husband, giant mansion, 15 cars, etc. that makes you happy. just kidding.
I play music for a living.
I earn about £10000 most years, once or twice I earned £20000 because of having a lucky break like licensing a song to TV or something.
I live in London.
I don't need anything apart from food and heating and I don't understand what people with a lot of money do with it.
This is cos I paid for my music stuff 20 years ago and it still works.
I buy a few records.
Why are people so greedy for money?
I suppose it's cos they find themselves doing work they don't like so they need to be compensated by having extra special spare time.
My work and spare time are almost the same which is lucky.
But it's weird how people equate spending money with fun, I know people who can think of nothing better than to spend money, whether it's on clothes they never wear or food they will throw away when it goes bad.
PS oh yeah the big exception to this is rent/mortgage of course.
I earn about £10000 most years, once or twice I earned £20000 because of having a lucky break like licensing a song to TV or something.
I live in London.
I don't need anything apart from food and heating and I don't understand what people with a lot of money do with it.
This is cos I paid for my music stuff 20 years ago and it still works.
I buy a few records.
Why are people so greedy for money?
I suppose it's cos they find themselves doing work they don't like so they need to be compensated by having extra special spare time.
My work and spare time are almost the same which is lucky.
But it's weird how people equate spending money with fun, I know people who can think of nothing better than to spend money, whether it's on clothes they never wear or food they will throw away when it goes bad.
PS oh yeah the big exception to this is rent/mortgage of course.
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It might not buy happiness but it certainly buys something. My father works for a financial group and the president of the company is well into his sixties and worth millions of dollars, has a wife who is a supreme court justice, and refuses to retire. My Dad has described going into his office and seeing an over-worked and choleric man who continues to bear the brunt of the company's foibles and day-in-day-out bullshit for seemingly no other reason than to continue bearing it.
He suggested that many people who work these kinds of jobs have exerted themselves so hard for so many years to achieve their position that their definition of self becomes entangled within their job. Their kids have all grown up and moved out and so to return home would be to minimize their suzerainty to their front lawn. This brings on existential horrors many of them wish to avoid, preferring the horrors they have become more accustomed to.
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I think the happiness argument runs something like - people's proportional threshold of happiness doesn't rise that much beyond a certain level once life's basic needs are taken care of, once you are no longer so poor that its actively depressing and stressful, your basic mood isn't changed that much by bumps in income. For instance, if I were to earn as much as Rich's mate would it have a significant effect on my levels of happiness? The research seems to show that it does for a while (and I'd certainly have some nicer material goods and nicer holidays) but then we adjust, things become normalised and we settle back down and to our default level of happiness. If this is the case, then why chase these extremes of wealth or even have them as an aspiration? Seems a bit counter-intuitive but it makes sense to me.
Also, in a social terms our levels of happiness haven't risen at all as our society has become wealthier. If anything, if judged by things like rates of depression and alcholism its become worse. So why have ever-increasing affluence as a goal - in fact, the only goal (increasing GDP)?
Leo
Well-known member
money doesn't buy happiness, but it can go a ways towards buying peace of mind.
if you have a load in the bank, you don't have to stress as much about your current work situation because you can afford to be unemployed for six month or a year and not sweat the mortgage/rent payments.
the other HUGE factor (in the states, anyway) is healthcare. being unable to pay their medical bills is apparently the single biggest factor that causes people to file for personal bankruptcy. if you have an accident, or a burst appendix or something, you can easily end up way in debt.
if you have a load in the bank, you don't have to stress as much about your current work situation because you can afford to be unemployed for six month or a year and not sweat the mortgage/rent payments.
the other HUGE factor (in the states, anyway) is healthcare. being unable to pay their medical bills is apparently the single biggest factor that causes people to file for personal bankruptcy. if you have an accident, or a burst appendix or something, you can easily end up way in debt.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
As with many forms of fun, that use of money is escapism, to avoid having to look at one's life or be alone with oneself for even one second.
But yeah, security is one thing that moeny can buy. Some (a lot of) people just buy into that too much, and don't realise how much security they really need (way less than they think they do - when you earn more money, geenrally you just spend more of it on shit than before).
IdleRich
IdleRich
My (more simplistic) take on this is that the set of people (such as me) who are well equipped to enjoy the fruits of wealth is almost entirely disjoint from the set of people who are well equipped to make wealth. Thus you have all these guys who have made millions but who still drag themselves out of bed at seven every morning to be first in the office.
