Kendrick Lamarr
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Corpsey
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I really sympathise with this aversion cos there is a horrible smugness and pretentiousness about a lot of jazz and jazz-derived music. The 'Jazz Club' sketches, while traducing jazz, really hit the nail on the head. I think what first really put me off it was Reynolds righteously bashing Bukem/Photek et al for pretending that a trumpet signified depth.
Always used to think that the best thing about jazz was that it got looped and turned into hip-hop beats. An opinion I've become slightly ashamed of but otoh I still think I believe that's true
e.g. Electrical Relaxation > Mystic Brew...
Always used to think that the best thing about jazz was that it got looped and turned into hip-hop beats. An opinion I've become slightly ashamed of but otoh I still think I believe that's true
e.g. Electrical Relaxation > Mystic Brew...
sadmanbarty
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Listened to To Pimp A Butterfly a couple of times and thought it was enjoyable, but not particularly remarkable. I think the praise surrounding it is the annoying thing rather then the album itself. Barter 6 was the album that actually deserved the level of praise that To Pimp... received.
I'm sure Luka's pleased to know that I'm a big Mahavishnu fan.
I'm sure Luka's pleased to know that I'm a big Mahavishnu fan.
sadmanbarty
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Possibly because it shamelessly ticks all the boxes the critics want ticked but doesn't actually turn out to be anything worth watching/listening to?
Benny Bunter
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Where do you lot stand on d'angelo black messiah?
CrowleyHead
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Immensely overrated (as such an album was going to be), but he really has been able to try his hand at a bunch of things stylistically and sound competent. Like the first track on the album is essentially pointless, but its so weird to hear a sort of neo-soul attempt at something like grunge (at least that's how I heard it as). Too much of this sort of stuff tends to be a very traditional style, and he shifted it around.
I'm not listening to the new Kendrick until I listen to 5 other rappers this year. Like, he's on the backburner forever for using the word 'jigaboo' for me. There's enough shoddy fucking antiblackness and racial policing in my own racial group, you think I need him providing confirmation because he learned how to do multis?
Plus the last album sucked.
I'm not listening to the new Kendrick until I listen to 5 other rappers this year. Like, he's on the backburner forever for using the word 'jigaboo' for me. There's enough shoddy fucking antiblackness and racial policing in my own racial group, you think I need him providing confirmation because he learned how to do multis?
Plus the last album sucked.
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
I don't see it as being that contrived. Were critics begging for a jazz-funk odyssey rap album with a cumbersome title?
TBH I think some people react to this stuff in part because of the critical appreciation it gets or they anticipate it will get.
Are all these critics deluded? Are the millions of Kendrick fans retarded?
TBH I think some people react to this stuff in part because of the critical appreciation it gets or they anticipate it will get.
Are all these critics deluded? Are the millions of Kendrick fans retarded?
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
Yeah, it's definitely not that bland soulquarian style. He isn't the typical 'conscious' rapper to me, either. He's more self-doubting than that. Perhaps that appeals to me as somebody who has been called out on here for self-undermining all the time.
I mean tbh half the time it sounds like a complete mess to me and there's something almost anhedonic about it all so I can see why ppl hate it. But I think it's easy to hate what he is perceived as representing and the music itself is a bit more complicated, a bit more multi faceted than that.