Dematerialisation.
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i wasn't being a cunt. just embrace ur inner gay dancehall fan and ur inner woman and you're the best feminist on the planet. you transcend radfem consciousness.
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
infantilization. forced happiness. chrome and glass. it's all one big party. retromania ;p
at least 10 years ago in a central london w.h.smiths, a hip looking yuppie twat comes up to me and tells me i look fed up and need an alternative to the alternative. he says dress in white and meet at the entrance to liverpool st. station at a specific time the following day. the plan was to wake up the city workers with a flashmob.
ever-shifting, indefinable, uncanny valley.
the subconscious of the masses spilling out onto the web and forming the weirdest reality feedback loop not even the deepest k hole could provide. hallucinatory. people look cgi. everything at once.
this post inspired by ye.
at least 10 years ago in a central london w.h.smiths, a hip looking yuppie twat comes up to me and tells me i look fed up and need an alternative to the alternative. he says dress in white and meet at the entrance to liverpool st. station at a specific time the following day. the plan was to wake up the city workers with a flashmob.
ever-shifting, indefinable, uncanny valley.
the subconscious of the masses spilling out onto the web and forming the weirdest reality feedback loop not even the deepest k hole could provide. hallucinatory. people look cgi. everything at once.
this post inspired by ye.
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pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
luka
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this is as close as i've got to a proper answer because this is essentially the initial thesis rephrased in value-laden terms. what i wanted to do was to dig deeper into the 'souless' and work out what the souless is comprised of, how it is generated and evoked.
there has always been a soulnessless element in modern music, stretching right back to Stockhausens and Schoenberg.
i don't think that is necessarily, a bad thing. in fact i don't get on with posh neo-soul really.
The thing is that a lot of pop/rnb doesn't really owe itself as much to previous trends that we're used to. in the US shitty rock n roll (not rock music as such) won. which must be bitter for us in the UK. By 1984, maybe even 1979, we were already moving away from it!
i like this tune but yeah best illustration of what im sayin'. also Future doesn't really sing like an rnb singer.
i don't think that is necessarily, a bad thing. in fact i don't get on with posh neo-soul really.
The thing is that a lot of pop/rnb doesn't really owe itself as much to previous trends that we're used to. in the US shitty rock n roll (not rock music as such) won. which must be bitter for us in the UK. By 1984, maybe even 1979, we were already moving away from it!
i like this tune but yeah best illustration of what im sayin'. also Future doesn't really sing like an rnb singer.
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Slothrop
Tight but Polite
"The aim of autotune R&B is the mechanical reproduction of a regressive moment, a castration symbolism. 'Give up your masculinity, let yourself be castrated,' the eunuchlike sound of the autotune both mocks and proclaims, 'and you will be rewarded, accepted into a fraternity which shares the mystery of impotence with you, a mystery revealed at the moment of the initiation rite."
john eden
male pale and stale
Yes it was Watson, who is too marxist even for me but still an interesting writer.
I think the whole idea of Adorno's take on "Jazz" what that it was exactly the sort of bland lift music that people with very conservative tastes in music like.
Which can apply to all genres.
Economics may have an answer, perversely. The soul and all its freight take TIME to develop and manifest.
Soullessness is a symptom of high time preference: everything now, not later. Good enough. Bought on credit.
Time preference profoundly affects cultural norms and high time preference drives the disposable, ephemeral, immateriality of soullessness at the expense of the lasting, heartfelt character of deep existence.
High time preference: egotism, hedonism, solipsism, profligacy, nihilism, consumption, indolence, fame, Bluewater
Low time preference: discipline, foresight, strategy, dynasty, thrift, investment, posterity, Chartres
Could be that.
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john eden
male pale and stale
I think that's pretty good. I am struggling with the term "soul" but I think we can substitute "alienation" and get to the same place.
I'm not sure how we square this circle with the idea that "soulful" people are living in the moment and at one with the universe though?
Soulful people, if they still exist anywhere, can afford to live in the moment. They're not looking for any immediate gratification.
luka
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im not a big beleiver in living in the moment. i think it is the enemy of art. hmg
you will be pleased to know that my favourite fascist ezra pound wrote a poem
to go alongside your forum post.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54319/canto-xlv
Canto XLV
By Ezra Pound
With Usura
With usura hath no man a house of good stone
each block cut smooth and well fitting
that design might cover their face,
with usura
hath no man a painted paradise on his church wall
harpes et luz
or where virgin receiveth message
and halo projects from incision,
with usura
seeth no man Gonzaga his heirs and his concubines
no picture is made to endure nor to live with
but it is made to sell and sell quickly
with usura, sin against nature,
is thy bread ever more of stale rags
is thy bread dry as paper,
with no mountain wheat, no strong flour
with usura the line grows thick
with usura is no clear demarcation
and no man can find site for his dwelling.
Stonecutter is kept from his tone
weaver is kept from his loom
WITH USURA
wool comes not to market
sheep bringeth no gain with usura
Usura is a murrain, usura
blunteth the needle in the maid’s hand
and stoppeth the spinner’s cunning. Pietro Lombardo
came not by usura
Duccio came not by usura
nor Pier della Francesca; Zuan Bellin’ not by usura
nor was ‘La Calunnia’ painted.
Came not by usura Angelico; came not Ambrogio Praedis,
Came no church of cut stone signed: Adamo me fecit.
Not by usura St. Trophime
Not by usura Saint Hilaire,
Usura rusteth the chisel
It rusteth the craft and the craftsman
It gnaweth the thread in the loom
None learneth to weave gold in her pattern;
Azure hath a canker by usura; cramoisi is unbroidered
Emerald findeth no Memling
Usura slayeth the child in the womb
It stayeth the young man’s courting
It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth
between the young bride and her bridegroom
CONTRA NATURAM
They have brought whores for Eleusis
Corpses are set to banquet
at behest of usura.
N.B. Usury: A charge for the use of purchasing power, levied without regard to production; often without regard to the possibilities of production. (Hence the failure of the Medici bank.)
you will be pleased to know that my favourite fascist ezra pound wrote a poem
to go alongside your forum post.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54319/canto-xlv
Canto XLV
By Ezra Pound
With Usura
With usura hath no man a house of good stone
each block cut smooth and well fitting
that design might cover their face,
with usura
hath no man a painted paradise on his church wall
harpes et luz
or where virgin receiveth message
and halo projects from incision,
with usura
seeth no man Gonzaga his heirs and his concubines
no picture is made to endure nor to live with
but it is made to sell and sell quickly
with usura, sin against nature,
is thy bread ever more of stale rags
is thy bread dry as paper,
with no mountain wheat, no strong flour
with usura the line grows thick
with usura is no clear demarcation
and no man can find site for his dwelling.
Stonecutter is kept from his tone
weaver is kept from his loom
WITH USURA
wool comes not to market
sheep bringeth no gain with usura
Usura is a murrain, usura
blunteth the needle in the maid’s hand
and stoppeth the spinner’s cunning. Pietro Lombardo
came not by usura
Duccio came not by usura
nor Pier della Francesca; Zuan Bellin’ not by usura
nor was ‘La Calunnia’ painted.
Came not by usura Angelico; came not Ambrogio Praedis,
Came no church of cut stone signed: Adamo me fecit.
Not by usura St. Trophime
Not by usura Saint Hilaire,
Usura rusteth the chisel
It rusteth the craft and the craftsman
It gnaweth the thread in the loom
None learneth to weave gold in her pattern;
Azure hath a canker by usura; cramoisi is unbroidered
Emerald findeth no Memling
Usura slayeth the child in the womb
It stayeth the young man’s courting
It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth
between the young bride and her bridegroom
CONTRA NATURAM
They have brought whores for Eleusis
Corpses are set to banquet
at behest of usura.
N.B. Usury: A charge for the use of purchasing power, levied without regard to production; often without regard to the possibilities of production. (Hence the failure of the Medici bank.)