could use criticism of the music i've been doing so far?

other_life

bioconfused
lol im typin out these recommendations

"nas - it was written (trackmasters tracks)
basic channel
dj hype - trooper
afx - saw
timbaland and aaliyah
loose ends - hangin on a string
loose ends - slow down
kleeer - intimate connection
footsie - sci fi
hyper on experience - half stepper
fabian miranda - prophecy + dub
nucleus & paradox - electropica
paul blake - rub a dub soldier
drop bass network"

what m i missin
 

other_life

bioconfused
ofc i already love basic channel and afx, heard dj hype before when i was on a 'nuum binge, love loose ends bc they were on a GAMES mix
 

luka

Well-known member
Yeah they're obvious things but they have specific qualities which might hint at ways out. Needless to say the way out is always forward, through and out the other side. Backwards is impossible cos that's how time works!
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
but also i think it is important not to totally dismiss the kitch and the pavlovian otherwise you'll start making very inhibited music like some names we don't need to mention. i don't really like this precisely for it's pavlovian aspect but from a production pov it is quite interesting to think about.

 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
I think thirdform lives in Bury St Edmunds and has parents who listen to Radio 4 and possibly also keep chickens.
 

other_life

bioconfused
workin thru these

Nas - It Was Written (Trackmaster joints):
Impressions of the message. The separation of channels, the insistence of its refrain, the precision in choice of every sound and hit, anchors Nas. *It's not about Trackmasters.* There's nothing competing for attention with the vocalist, that's key for this kind of production.
Music that can't decide if it wants to be rap beats, club music, ambient or noise, wants to be all of it at once with synthesizers gushing and spilling and bleeding over... it's just bullshit. All of these separate kinds of music have a separate function, no? The timing of the breakbeat and vocal samples, it's impeccable. With rap production you can make something that HITS with few elements and what makes it work is how you space it out. Economy of sampling. And *insistence of refrain*, nothing has to be this, 'subtle', 'sculpted', 'fragile' '''system of music'''. Hit on a groove and *stay on it*. EVERY THING IS ON THE *ONE*.
If ye can't fuckn tell by how often I use em, the glidey synth leads of 90s rap production are, just about my favorite thing (I guess I used em on relatively earlier stuff more often before moving away from em, but in recent live jams it's all about the gliderrrzzz).
I'm not digging 'Affirmative Action', I don't wanna make shit like this lmao, feels self-consciously Mafia, kind of this marching/plodding thing. 'Black Girl Lost', the juxtaposition of this *pillowy* piano and strings sample and the steadiness of the bassline, the insistence of the drums, that *textural* thing to 90s rap drum samples... it's just *tasty*.
Had to rewind 'Shootouts' (a couple times!), was totally expecting it to go in that "fascist hop" (this is something I saw on k-punk and blissblog lmao, not sure if it's still appropriate in retrospect) direction with the horns but that was bait and switch. Found myself getting hypnotised by that uneven piano sample, the one-note bassline timed with the kicks (this goes back to what *makes* tunes, syncing individual elements to each other or making them symbiotic with eachother, insistence, simplicity, economy...) And the strings, just totally unintrusive in the best way. IT WAS *WRITTEN* BUT IT WAS NEVER *TOLD*. This has to be my favorite track out of all these. Might do a slow edit of this, the slew of lyrics is just psychedelic. Peep the jewels, black man, it's even better than gold...
Was familiar with "Imagine That" through what it quotes and also of course Screw's version (from 'Done Deal' specifically). Pretty unspectacular in its original
version? A lot of this 90s rap shit is *too fast*, like it's some kind of game to *follow everything the rappers saying*, and it has this AGGRESSIVE BOP YOUR HEAD thing to it. Gotta let things breathe...
 

other_life

bioconfused
oh man going through basic channel's stuff again is humbling, to say the least
i hope someday i can put together engaging techno tracks live, something with rolling forward momentum, with subtlety in the synth work
 

version

Well-known member
I was only into Rhythm & Sound for a while, wasn't so into the Basic Channel stuff, then one day I ordered the 12" of Roll Off and was sent Lyot Rmx by mistake. I couldn't be bothered to send it back so I stuck it on and was absolutely floored, been a BC fan ever since.

 

other_life

bioconfused
"it's one of those things I tell bands a lot - if you're having trouble coming up with things, just completely rip off another artist, make trying to imitate them your goal. Because the end result will not sound so much like that artist as you feared and in fact you will more often come up with something that sounds like yourself. Take Juliana Hatfield's "Fleur de Lys" - it is a note for note attempt to rewrite "Only Shallow" and she's admitted as much, but it sounds nothing like MBV because MBV did not make it." - chris ott
 

yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
i would recommend ricky blaze - apart
it's something that i aim for myself in the rare moments i still make music. it's just extremely effective: a kick, a snare, a bassline, but it makes me want to move myself. and i want to hear it loud. i think of marching bands. of campfires. choreographies. of rain and drought. of repetition. rituals.
 

other_life

bioconfused
im using ableton and i'll use audacity to rip tapes or sketch ideas and augment those tape rips or ideas w its onboard effects
 
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