sadmanbarty
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Of course. I said as much about cranes in the sky earlier in the thread
Beyond Soul.
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Of course. I said as much about cranes in the sky earlier in the thread
sadmanbarty
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Why as a society did we give up on the notion of gods?
Donna summers was perceived as this afro-deity, sex goddess. couldn’t say that about any rnb artist from the last 20 years
Donna summers was perceived as this afro-deity, sex goddess. couldn’t say that about any rnb artist from the last 20 years
sadmanbarty
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Even the lack of masculine voices like talks about is like that. Am and abra doing fake tough voices
sadmanbarty
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I thought it was far more a thing of ‘go on girls, you be fierce’ and that. Far more mundane concerns about politics, relationships, careers. Any goddess-ness is metaphorical.
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The closest thing to a character like that might have been The Weeknd, back when he was faceless. And Burial had that mystique too. Anonymity as the new deification, when everybody is a celebrity.
Oh and obvs drillers with their masks on
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luka
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Some obvious reasons why we don't have feelings any more then....
Time is experience differently. It is now blips and bursts not long stretches. No plains no plateaus no steppe.
Feelings are seen as symptoms to be cured. Medicalised and psychologised.
The nature of love has changed. The sex transaction has changed.
Entertainment and distraction is now constant outside of working hours, or if you're corpsey, within working hours too.
Time is experience differently. It is now blips and bursts not long stretches. No plains no plateaus no steppe.
Feelings are seen as symptoms to be cured. Medicalised and psychologised.
The nature of love has changed. The sex transaction has changed.
Entertainment and distraction is now constant outside of working hours, or if you're corpsey, within working hours too.
luka
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We live on the surface of our consciousness. We don't dive down into the depths any more. We don't have the time and space to peel back the facile social self and inhabit the silences. Always a text or email or dm to respond too. Utterly trapped in the social role. The mask.
sadmanbarty
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I really do just adore him with every ounce of my being. I want my life to be corpsey. He calms me, softens me. A real integral and missing component of my psychological make up. Life shines with him in it.
sadmanbarty
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Raindrops like a storm on me,
The devil keep trying to come conquer me
The devil keep trying to come conquer me
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Sounds pretty close to spiritual to me! A lot of what you wrote is exactly what I meant when I posted you should go and see him if you want that kind of experience. But are you saying it wasn't what you'd class as one? I went 2 nights in a row at the jazz cafe years ago. Was nice to be so close to him. That's the optimal setup for jazz imo. Small and intimate. Archive Shepp was on the same level too. Guess guys who were 'there' are still able to keep the fire burning. Which begs the question, are we able to hack ourselves and un-self-consciously attain the same level? Not talking about musicianship. More the spiritual level. Because that's what it is.
Personally I believe it's possible. But it ain't got shit to do with being woke or anything constructed in the last 20 years.
In case it wasn't already apparent, I definitely do. It's the thing that most effectively calms my soul. Other than valium or xanax. There are times when it's as effective as those.
This is fake soul. Modern pop music is the art of playing at being emotive while actually draining you of your life force. All those choruses with oh-o oh-o and all that guff are part of a plot to dumb us down and think website names like momodo are acceptable vernacular. Singing in vocal fry like winehouse or adelle is effectively pandering to a dumbed down audience who have been Pavlov-programmed to respond to token signifiers rather than anything real. And when faced with the real, they're likely to turn away because it's too close to madness or some other undesirable state of being. Conversely you have people like Pete Doherty being seen as real because they take smack and squirt their needles at the camera during interviews. How dumb and Immature have we become that that show of total soullessness could be construed in that way?
That same yearning mechanism is what got us into that whole dubstep mess. Somewhere around the millenium some great spell was cast and all the nutritious art was neutered and slowly we were conditioned to accept the mediocre. We've been stripped of our instincts which used to be the compass for navigating our likes and loves.
Outside looking in. Self awareness curse.
We've been medicated out of any state of being which would lead us to a level of personal spirituality that would allow us to reach the heights of jazz music in the late 60s, early 70s. Medicated by media, pharmaceuticals, our own damn crabs in the bucket selves. Looking at what's been pined for recently on this forum.. A return to the organic, a break from the grid of the daw, more complexity etc.. That was all ironed out when samplers took over and anyone could be a musician. Of course plenty of talented people managed to do interesting things with those tools, but on the whole it was a step back for culture because the human feel was progressively weeded out. The early days of many genres were creatively explosive, but almost every one of them followed the same chart pattern. Volatile beginnings, a few spikes of greatness and then eventually plateauing and fading out slowly.
One thing I find interesting is how there's a yearning for two opposing forces in here right now. Some want to go beyond the human, and yet clearly what's been lacking for so long in modern music is the human element which is all the off the grid shit i just mentioned.
And what if a new musician came out who matched Pharaoh's spiritual prowess? Or Joni's sweet and homely vocals? I think we'd revere them as much as we do the originals. But somehow it just doesn't seem to be happening.
The main question I take away when thinking about all of this is why? Why are people unable, or unwilling to go 'there'?