Ravey New York dance music - late 80s-early 90s

luka

luka

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bizarre that you can make a record that only works once its sped up. and you never even realised. its like if i made all these noises that only turned into language once recorded and sped up
 
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blissblogger

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Benny B said:
NY invented rave music but seems to have turned its back on it quite early on in favour of house. Why is that? Is it because of hip hop? TT would have killed to have become a big name producer in hip hop and work with the big name rappers but it never really worked out (jungle bros aside). Is that why? Cos practically all the elements of rave were right there since like 1988. Did they just pass the baton on to London? Someone help me understand
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funnily enough it's exactly what happened with punk

new york invented it; UK perfected it, completed it

i think the answer actually is that there was no societal NEED for rave in NYC - just as there was no real NEED for punk in NYC, it was bohemian slummers who were living a fairly unconstrained life in downtown, living on incredibly cheap rents, - so punkNYC had no real politics to it, it was a lot of posturing and druggy transgressive stuff - nihilism, a fair amount of artwank

UK added class, politics, desperation to the punk rock template etc - yet also (thanks to art schoolies) a much sharper graphic presentation and fashion package - while also pushing the music further, sloughing off more of the residues of the past -

sort of similar thing happened in UK with the proto-rave stuff out of nyc - the musical pointers got pushed to their logical fullness - and a whole package of subcult got wrapped around it

but there was a crying NEED for rave in the UK, whereas life in NYC can never be that bad (at least before the rents got unliveable), there's a sort of comfy bohemianism there

the closest thing demographically to the UK hardcore subcultural engine would be the Bones-Stormrave - Italian-American Brooklyn kids scene - but something like NASA was basically upper middle class kids - many of whom would be in the background of the movie, Kids.

might also be something to be said here about racial division in America cf an actual genuine multiculture in the UK

so the divide between house/techno and hip hop remains fairly non-porous, whereas in the UK it's all jumbled up
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
luka said:
what people mean by rave in this forum is distinct from punishing acidic direction though tbf. they mean fun.
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fun is for remainers, leave me out of that. Also fun has been done to death. you can hear it on loop on any selection of oldskool internet radios or the pirates still banging it out. It's best to shine a light on directions which didn't get as big at the time.
 
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