if New York can die so can London

luka

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do you ever worry about this? london has had a great run. but from afar i cant help worrying that its sputtering to a halt. im not sur its about to go as shit as new york but it suffers from a lot of th same problems id imagine. genuflecting to a mythos, stupid rents, wowsers, overezalous policing, hipster influx from outisde the city, dath of radio, irony etc etc etc...
 
luka

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actually im having second thoughts about the rent issue. make rents too low and you just get berlin, the least exciting city in the world, populated entirely by grpahic designers.
 
Leo

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for eternity, people have always said things were better "back in the day". the jazzhead beatniks thought new york was over when bob dylan and the velvets came in the 60s. the velvets/warhol crowd thought it was over when the punks came in the 70s/80s, when east village rents jumped from $200 to $400 a month. OMG, what's an old hippie to do!!

we might not like it, but you can't stop change.
 
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CrowleyHead

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Brenmar is officially evidence that London successfully killed New York, as in murdered. Until I heard him speak, I was convinced by the stupid haircut that he was an Englishman in New York (No Sting).

There is a person in America so BLINDLY taking cues from whatever goes on in London, that until I heard him speak, I was so drastically convinced he wasn't actually american. I figured he was just Oneman's crate-carrier who got stranded on the way back from a show.

You guys might as well just start taxing our house producers.
 
luka

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banning booze on public transport was a sign of heightened levels of wowserism. i hav mixed feelings about the smoking ban but its disasterous for clubs.
 
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gumdrops

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london still looks like a piece of shit but its quite sanitised now isnt it

but yeah, london is probably dying

i blame it on the vice mag-ification and indie-fication of trendies the world over

the world is an indie hipster
 
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daddek

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they was talk of a new series of nathan barley, but they decided there was no point cos everyone's like that nowadays lol

weird nowadays. its happening across all hardcoreish music, people like danny brown lil b, OF, would have been unimaginable in hip hop 10 years ago, apparently there's loads of hipster black metal too. i watch that "come with me lets be dickheads" vid on youtube and thats basically everyone i know. *well most >35s anyway
 
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SecondLine

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what Leo said, you guys need to stop buying into the narrative of decline so easily.

In Greek mythology, each successive generation of mythical characters was described as being measurably weaker than the last. They went from being able to lift rocks the size of houses to being...well..human. It's in our biology to assume that the remembered or half-remembered past is superior to the present.

Also may I ask whether most of you guys are past the 'youthful optimism and naivete' stage of life?

I'm not saying London isn't full of hipsters and that the smoking ban hasn't been bad for clubs, mind.
 
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gumdrops

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Also may I ask whether most of you guys are past the 'youthful optimism and naivete' stage of life?
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well no

but grime was more 'youthful' than a lot of what im hearing these days

thing is tho, a lot of the post dubstep producers arent even from london are they?

but we still think of it as being a london thing.
 
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luka

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i disagre strongly with secondline but remember i have not said london is dead. im saying you shouldnt just go around thinking its gonna be good forever cos ny is a good cautionary tale.
 
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Blackdown

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when things die there's the greatest opportunity for regrowth. everyone said UK garage was dead in 2000. Those who stuck around got grime...
 
Mr. Tea

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luka said:
actually im having second thoughts about the rent issue. make rents too low and you just get berlin, the least exciting city in the world, populated entirely by grpahic designers.
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What is it with you and Berlin, luka? You said the other day you've never been there. I've only been once myself but it seemed pretty happening.
 
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gumdrops

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Blackdown said:
when things die there's the greatest opportunity for regrowth. everyone said UK garage was dead in 2000. Those who stuck around got grime...
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thing is, whats dead today? is all uk underground dance music as we know it - so thats funky, uk bass, dubstep, grime, all the post-dubstep stuff - dead? im having trouble keeping track.
 
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Blackdown

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yeah i dont buy that london's dead, i'm having a great time, but luka's thread is based on a supposition: "what if..."
 
luka

luka

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can we not worry about where i have and havent been. i think this is th first time i have slagged off berlin on dissensus. i have slagged off barcelona here which is maybe where the confusion stems from. for the record i have not been to berlin cos i dont like it so why would i go? i havent been to new york either. i can count the places i have been too on th fingers of one hand almost. this dosnt stop me from dismissing vast tracts of the map.
 
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Blackdown

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OK then, so yes, London can die. Anywhere can. The entire human race will snuff it one way or another, if we're looking to cover all bases.
 
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daddek

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dubsteps dead like rotting, pungent stench dead. Counter examples will be wasted on me im afraid. grime isnt exactly vibrantly alive is it. idk know what uk bass is.
im not saying this is bad its about time these things keeled over, for something new.
but Luka's point was really good.
maybe NY also died because it thought it couldnt.
 
luka

luka

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blackdown i get that you dont agree cos you are a positive sunshiney guy. i get that. i envy your positivity. also for the record i would love to go to ny cos i am still partially in thrall to its myth.
 
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