Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
yes that is what i was saying.
Sufi, I assume you support the existence of laws limiting the length of the working week, votes for women and the minimum wage? Well as chance would have it, those are all parts of the Fascist Manifesto! Ergo you are a Fascist, so anything you say can be completely disregarded.
See? It's intellectually dishonest and gets us nowhere.
And speaking of intellectual dishonesty:
1 was about a black student claiming anti-black racism meant that she was entitled to call for science to be drastically reviewed
Except she wasn't calling for it to be "reviewed", she called for it to be "scratched off", i.e. erased completely. And her argument was based on two assertions: that science as a whole is purely a product of Western modernity, and that the laws of nature are culturally contingent. Both of which are demonstrably untrue.
She has the right to say those things, clearly. I'm not contesting that at all. Where we differ is that I don't think the right to say something implies the right to be agreed with. You seem to be taking the stance that she should have that right precisely because she is black, which I think is massively patronizing and, in itself, more racist than you realize.
Further, disagreeing with her on those two specific points doesn't mean she's wrong about anything else, or about racism in general. She's fighting a good fight - perhaps the best fight there is - I just think she's picked the wrong target.
You think we disagree because I'm being racist - or at least, being 'obtuse' and saying racist things, as you generously put it - while you're being anti-racist. Whereas in fact we're disagreeing because we disagree about what constitutes 'racist' and 'anti-racist' in a discussion about science.
We're never going to get anywhere while we continue like this, so it's probably best for this thread to be left to lie.
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