Corpsey

bandz ahoy
By '5 years behind' do you simply mean that road rap is using the same sorts of sounds US rap was using 5 years ago, or that current US rap is actually an evolution of 2013 trap? I'm not trying to be critical of this notion, I'm just interested in how US rap has evolved sonically.

In the case of rap music by the likes of Playboi Carti, e.g., the beats are inarguably the most important element of the music, since the rapper is reduced to doing little more than ad-libbing.

Like I said, I can't comment either way, but I have heard road rap beats (e.g. 'waps' by 67) that were doing something different to american rap, and the flows are definitely different.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
well i meant more like that uk djrill sounds like it's from 2011 or something. ultimately this is a bad way to view music tho isn't it?

i could never become a music as surrogate literature partisan.
 

CrowleyHead

Well-known member
I'll say this for third, he's both right and wrong. On the one hand, a lot of drill's greyscale is more reminiscent of the post-Lugerian trap sound from the earlier part of the decade as opposed to the druggier and slower sound that comes out in a lot of 'trap' now, being as it's descended from Chicago's drill which was in many ways a distillation of trap in a different direction. As such, it's in certain respects a bit 'behind', but there are other things such as the drum programming and the rap flows that are wholly different from a lot of what the US scene does afaic.

Ironically, listening to UK guys try to be modern a la Soundcloud rap (which is happening) is a mixed bag so:

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luka

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for what it's worth the three musical virtuosos, the people i know who can do anything technically, understand everything, play multiple instruments etc are both fascinated by uk drill and find it far weirder and richer and idiosyncratic than the rap fans i know who just read it as a deeply cringey imitation of older american trends
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
i could be the next art tatum if my coordination wasn't so shit and i could play different rhythms with each hand and foot.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy

Skengdo x AM x Tuckz - Dididi Bow (2017)

This beat is obviously Luger influenced but the beats aren't like anything I've heard in US trap - to risk ponce heresy it sounds almost like one of Aphex's mad breakbeat tunes at times.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Just listening to a drill playlist on Spotify (Trench magazine)


And another one

I can see why Barty likes this stuff if he's a drummer
 

CrowleyHead

Well-known member
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Yeah, even on fairly conventional drums, the way they approach filtering on samples is so less about smearing and washy and playing with transforming the sample (as in the turntablist def. of transforming).
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Not wishing to drag in a possibly irrelevant comparison but I was wondering listening to some of this stuff yesterday about the influence of Clams Casino (through the ASAP Rocky mixtape/album) on this production. As a matter of fact, I think that 'cloud rap' has been more influential than might have been expected on mainstream US rap - the Yachtys and Post Malones of this world. I guess that's also the case with 'Soundcloud rap'?

Anyway there's quite a lot of sampling going on in the UK sound which you generally didn't get on Brick Squad mixtapes five years ago.
 

luka

Well-known member
Not wishing to drag in a possibly irrelevant comparison but I was wondering listening to some of this stuff yesterday about the influence of Clams Casino (through the ASAP Rocky mixtape/album) on this production. As a matter of fact, I think that 'cloud rap' has been more influential than might have been expected on mainstream US rap - the Yachtys and Post Malones of this world. I guess that's also the case with 'Soundcloud rap'?

Anyway there's quite a lot of sampling going on in the UK sound which you generally didn't get on Brick Squad mixtapes five years ago.

trilliam was making this claim the other day
 

CrowleyHead

Well-known member
Would love to hear the Trilliam stance on it in particular but in the case of Carns, he's been around since the olden days of Road Rap, the Blade Brown, SDG, Youngs Teflon Era in which he relied on samples and then graduated to 'synthesized' beats but he was able to sort of jump between both now. IDK how much influence of cloud rap is on him (as much as it's prevalent in the US to a degree) but it wouldn't be too outlandish if at least say... Harry Fraud is an influence to some degree?
 

luka

Well-known member
i dont know if you need to think in terms of direct influences in these cases.
morphic resonance is probably a better model.
 

luka

Well-known member
Nope was me. I always get ignored on here cos you're all fucking useless whingeing heterosexual men who are scared of a queer who's cooler than you.

lol i did correct this days ago actually. apologies all the same. i get my middle aged men mixed up!
 
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