Clearly we don’t have “open immigration”.
1. Lots of working class people continue to vote for Labour, as seen by the vote in 2017.
2. I don't think the Democrats and the Labour Party are seriously comparable
3. Whilst he may think it is true because it is 'logical', empirical studies have shown weak support for the notion that 'open immigration' from the SM has depressed wages or reduced access to the labour market.
I'm probably using concern trolling loosely because he is probably presenting himself as a neutral figure rather than an ally or (former) member of the Left. But there is a striking resemblance between these talking points and those that might be made by a Dave Rubin, Sargon, or Furedi follower. Do you think if I was to listen to this podcast I would find a pov that differs significantly in nuance from those positions?
Yeah sorry, that was a poor way of putting it. I think what he says is that any kind of immigration negatively affects poorer people. I'm not saying (and nor does he) that it's a good or bad thing (immigration). What he's saying is that it has an effect.
try listening from about 6:58, for a few minutes, and then if you wanna discuss, i'm happy to, but it seems a bit pointless for me to respond to what your saying.
I listened for a few minutes and I've basically covered off his argument already - immigrants grow the economy, there isn't a 'fixed mount of jobs' which his argument relies upon. Empirical analysis shows weak support for the hypothesis that the SM has brought down wages.
this is also not what I'm saying. I am pro-immigration. I don't want brexit to lead to less immigration. that isn't really the point.
the point is acknowledging where it has an effect. cos if you identify that as an issue, surely there's a way forward.