gibraltar

no one on dissensus will have been to gibralter. its not somewhere many english middle class music nerds go/

Never been, but somehow I have a feeling it'd be the kind of place that's so exaggeratedly 'British' it would seem alien to most actual British people. Pubs called The Red Lion with a fish'n'chip shop on one side and a newsagent's selling boiled sweets by the quarter pound on the other.

Pure conjecture here. I think luka's right about it not being a typical Dissensian's hang-out spot.

Mr. Tea said:

Never been, but somehow I have a feeling it'd be the kind of place that's so exaggeratedly 'British' it would seem alien to most actual British people. Pubs called The Red Lion with a fish'n'chip shop on one side and a newsagent's selling boiled sweets by the quarter pound on the other.

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You should start holidaying in Tameside, Mr Tea!

fact: the gibraltar library carries only enid blyton and ladybird books, and has the most complete collection of the lady outside of britain.

Mr Tea's conjecture is uncannily accurate. It is as he says, although it also has apes, unlike England.

A more rewarding daytrip would be Morocco imo ... or somewhere else in Spain. But perhaps I am maligning it.

w the caveat that Crofton's advice sounds sensible, i'd say go for it.

it could be a very interesting snapshot of something at once fossilised and alive, and it's got to be worth exploring around the rock itself.

while gibraltar is a special case - the surrounding culture is presumably discouraged - the diaspora will usually build a kind of fort, a concentrated, more static version of the mother culture. it has to be, necessarily, as you can only bring so much (this was more true in the past) and what is brought is chosen sometimes with identity in mind. the british were famous for this kind of thing, i don't know if that is still the case.

i suppose it's like a sunny version of Victoria, British Columbia in many ways?

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Mr Tea's conjecture is uncannily accurate. It is as he says, although it also has apes, unlike England.

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You've never been out on a Friday night in [insert name of British town], I take it? Fnar fnar, rofl etc.

I have been, it is missable. Unless you want some cheap booze, fags, alcohol or perfume, there is NOTHING there. Some monkeys. About seven pubs full of UK military plaques or else called stuff like 'Rover's Return' and full of 50+ red-faced Brits. One nightclub playing Ricky Martin. Lots of squaddies and a few Moroccan beggars, who are roundly detested. A church and a mosque. You'll also have to wait for ages getting through the checkpoint if you travel in over the border.

But, if you do decide to go - ask people what they'd do if Britain ever handed Gibraltar back to Spain. Fucking hell, you'll see some real fireworks. There's some sort of UDA-style underground civilians' network ready to swing into guerilla activities if that day ever comes. I was warned to keep my voice down when asking about it. It is weird seeing people called Garcia wearing Union Flag shirts and telling you, in Spanish accents, that they're British til they die.

Just catching this now.
If you go / or already went and find yourself there at night,
supposed to be an all night Bar that sounded pretty weird.
Ferrys to Tangiers from there too I believe ...

Ferrys to Tangiers from there too I believe

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only occasionally i think? much better/simpler to go from tarifa imo. but i may be wrong.

Think so too, Tarifa, maybe Faro too ?

Faro was nice for a day visit ( airport is there ),
the sun blinding ...