21-03-2011, 08:38 AM
thats why I really enjoyed Ben's BR set,
no offence to Ben but I had previously DL'd a couple of his other mixes and they were much more of a housey affair, and whilst the selection & mixing were super tight, they didnt move me like this mix does - he draws for some older dubstep/grime bass flavour that goes so well with the newer stuff and it is RUDE,
I think the post-dubstep thing has opened many producers eyes to earlier house/techno (you can see lots of heads have been listening to guys like Kerri Chandler etc) and whilst it is great stuff, I am not looking for a 2010 equivalent. I like these house flavours but I want it rude and I want DJ's to draw for older tracks - we've had so much good stuff in last 10 years, some of it is criminally overlooked
21-03-2011, 10:57 AM
ive been saying that this stuff is boring for ages.
dont mind them drawing/discovering old sources but it sounds like theyre just reviving it half the time, rather than doing anything special with it. maybe thats what happens when you can listen to old music and record new music so easily/quickly.
hopefully that will come later.
21-03-2011, 10:57 AM
I think the Hessle guys do the techno thing really well and wit ha bit of rudeness. They're way better at playing techno than acctual techno DJs at any rate. Blawan's fact mix had loads of techno in it and it sounds really energetic and has those rude UK vibes running thru all of it. They all bring a raw UK vibe to it all thru their selection and DJing styles.
21-03-2011, 01:44 PM
gotta be said the new TRP ep on Whistlas L2S is pretty immense.
21-03-2011, 03:32 PM
The 808 stuff is where it's at. Only really Swamp 81 pushing that vibe in a big way but for me it's the most exciting thing going on in all this post-dubstep mayhem
21-03-2011, 03:33 PM
I never said " all that stuff" I said the tunes sound "a lot like this one", probably an exaggeration but i'm sure you get my drift. There are recurring sounds, styles and beats in a fair amount of the tunes you play that I don't like. The post-dubstep house sound I guess.
Originally Posted by Blackdown
Looking throught your tracklists there's usually only one track at most i'd want to hear in the first segment of each show.
I have so much music to listen to that I can't generally be bothered to fast forward through a show/mix in case it gets more interesting later on.
I do remember listening to this one
Darkstar "Two Chords" [forthcoming Hyperdub]
Hackman "Untitled" [unreleased]
El-B ft Natasha "I Feel (Maddslinky's 4x4 remix)" [unreleased]
Velour "She Wore Velour" [Night Slugs]
Bias & Gurley "Roll (Blackdown remix)" [unreleased Keysound]
Damu "Crystal Gae" [unreleased]
Doc Daneeka "Cops" [Ramp]
Brackles and Shortstuff "Good Foundations (Martin Kemp remix)" [forthcoming Ramp]
MJ Cole ft Wiley "From the Drop (LViz 1990 remix)" [unreleased Prolific]
Raffertie "Rank Functions (Ital Tek remix)" [forthcoming Planet Mu]
The Fives ft Hayley Miller "It's What You Do (Hottest By Far)" [unreleased]
Ghostek "Barricades" [unreleased]
Sully "It's Your Love" [unreleased]
Nehuen "Time after Time" [unreleased]
Mickey Pearce "What's Mickey Talking About?" [unreleased]
Nehuen "80s" [unreleased]
The Fives track is great, the rest not so much,
Sully who i've rated since his first release sounds like another weak Juke/Electro clone here. Such a shame, his 2-step was amazingly good.
This is my other gripe at the moment, the current vogue that's spread from Addison Groove's Juke influence and Instramental's electro thing so now you've got all these tracks that sound like Radioactive Man from the early noughties.
Bok Bok's recent FACT mix is a case in point, whilst I enjoyed it it just sounded so retro.
Well made clones of great music but clones all the same.
Maybe i'm just a bit too old now. I'm sure it's great fun if you haven't heard it all the first (or second or third time round).
I'm listening to Blawan's FACT mix at the moment and that's giving me the same feeling, his recent EP does seem pretty good though.
I haven't heard Damu so I can't comment on that, got any links?
You're quite right of course but this is only part of the problem
Originally Posted by Blackdown
Last edited by wise; 21-03-2011 at 03:40 PM.
21-03-2011, 03:53 PM
Sully still has has some amazing garage tucked away tbf
21-03-2011, 03:54 PM
Yeah, as much as I like some of these 808 swamp 81 tunes I wouldn't say they're particularly exciting or interesting, they're almost like trad-dance tunes in fact! I'm not sure how important it is to be groundbreaking nowadays, though - its certainly becoming increasingly difficult to see how any new producers CAN be groundbreaking, what with a good 20 years + of dance music behind them. '
Originally Posted by wise
But perhaps this has always been how people have seen things before big innovations have come along? After all, hip-hop seems to be throwing up new sounds (though generally not radically new, admittedly) to this day and it's been around since the late 70s.
21-03-2011, 04:04 PM
Wise I kind of agree with the general drift of what you're saying, but just a minor one - from the tracklist you posted, surely you've got to like Velour - She Wore Velour? Easily one of the best tune on Night Slugs so far imo.
Originally Posted by wise
Like Paulo I'm actually really enjoying the electro-influenced stuff coming through on Swamp 81 etc, although I can see how it comes pretty close to being straight retro (don't think it's quite at that stage yet though). I can accept that not being quite as familiar with earlier waves of this stuff than some leaves me with more patience for it and makes it feel fresher.
21-03-2011, 04:25 PM
I do feel ambiguous towards this obsession dance music nerds have with pushing things forward/progression/hybridisation etc. On the one hand, as a dance music nerd I am myself obsessed with it, and I can see that you need progression within music in order to avoid stagnation. But sometimes I think having this stuff in the back of your head as a concern really can prejudice you against tunes that you otherwise might like... of course it can work the other way.
Music taste in general is a baffling thing to me - i.e. when I first got into DNB I was into tunes by producers like Clipz, Pendulum, Hazard et al. Then I got into jungle and 'deep' DNB etc. and those tunes suddenly became offensive to me. The same thing has happened subsequently with a lot of the 'deep' DNB that I was into - it now sounds boring and bland to me. Do I consider myself wiser now, or as having better taste? Was I prejudiced then, or am I prejudiced now? Or both?
Mind you, I think the REALLY great stuff transcends most of my prejudices and endures through all the fluctuations of my taste - i.e. classic hip-hop, jungle, garage, house etc.
21-03-2011, 04:31 PM
It was a generalisation, I don't remember that tune and i'm not aware of having heard it elsewhere, i'll check it out.
Originally Posted by Tentative Andy
Last edited by wise; 21-03-2011 at 06:20 PM.
21-03-2011, 04:41 PM
I love the way the sounds made by the above mentioned divide opinion (if this hasn’t already been mentioned) as I think ‘she wore velour’ isn’t that good. IRL on the other hand is fucking incredible. Someone on here gave it a complete knee-jerk review, claiming it to be nothing but watered down juke. Considering Juke is now footwork, there was no thought behind that critique whatsoever.
edit** this is also interesting in uncovering a listeners/your favourite sonic textures, as that one tune you find with a specific formula of influences from a genre/specific track that turns you crazy will inevitably be the one you end up listening to/finding similar stuff for the next 3 weeks (true for me anyway, sort of helps me realise what I would of been into had I been alive/old enough around the time of the house explosion)
Agree with Corpsey with regards to being ‘groundbreaking’, more to the point, I don’t look for ‘groundbreaking’ sounds (erm, who the fuck does?) in my music. I just look for stuff that resonates with me at the time. Also Ben is right when he says it draws attention to ‘traditional’ house music in a sense, I wouldn’t of bought half of the swung techno and ghetto house stuff, had it not been for Juke and other UK House releases utilizing those influences. Don’t know if this was what you was getting at Ben, but that’s my interpretation of it. This is music for the youth. Naivety on the producers part and tolerance on the listeners part is allowing it to be what it is at the moment, personally I find the developments very interesting to hear.
Do LOATHE the written reviews of this stuff though, cliche ridden bollox, nearly every one, so frustrating.
Last edited by alex; 21-03-2011 at 04:48 PM.
21-03-2011, 04:45 PM
how anyone would decipher this music (or any music from now really) in 50 or 100 years time boggles the mind. The development, and overall growth in amount, of music is exponential as it follows technology, I think referencing from the past and "retro"ness, is only going to get more common, and is inevitable really
21-03-2011, 05:24 PM
i'm biased, but i don't see what's not to like about damu? he does heavy, banging shit with samples ripped wholesale from chart tunes as well as he does the more star-eyed synth stuff. plenty of rude energy for the dissensus mandem.
21-03-2011, 05:45 PM
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