gumdrops

Well-known member
random thoughts -

the way ppl talk about pop music becoming very middle class, it makes me think of this stuff (not to be all 'only w/c ppl shd make music' or anything, cos i dont think that, a lot of my fave artists are m/c, and im very conscious about my attitude to this cos theres nothing worse than ppl who think posh/middle class-made music should be dismissed on principle)

i shd listen to it more but rinse seems boring now. shame theyre catering to this kind of stuff so much when the old rinse wouldve been finding djs to play the harder funky stuff (its like rinse circa 2004 playing loads of dubstep instead of grime). but who can blame them. theyre so very civilised now. time to move on. i dont know if live has the same cachet that rinse once had to really become the replcacement but who knows.

the kode 9 album has some cool production but the pitch bent synth thing - which he didnt exactly invent either - has been used by everyone now and for mr forward thinking to still be using it and so much, its peculiar. and spaceape is just dire. absolutely no gravitas with that guy. id prefer the album to be instrumental.

blackdown likes what he likes. and he likes this stuff. hes always aspired to more 'progressive' values or stuff thats for both head and heart in his music, so thats no surprise. i just think a lot of it, can seem contrived. it has no real purpose that i can sense. its just 'there'. music for musics sake. some of its interesting/novel, a lot of it just feels oddly pointless.

bassline is/was amazing. so much energy and great wriggling bass. dug out an old dj q mix cd i had. i love it. some of champions stuff makes me think of grimey bassline a bit, just not as manic.

can ppl stop using the word 'rude'. i knw weve all read energy flash but it just sounds silly. you cant go into black market or SOTU and ask for tunes that are rude or cheesy. no one in this kind of music wants to think of music they like/respect as being cheesy or rude. unless it really is rude. like miami bass. you dont get tags on boomkat saying 'rude' and 'cheesy' far as im aware. unless theres some new 'reynoldsian bass music' im unaware of. actually that would be prob be a good niche. blissblogbass. blissbloghouse. etc. muggsbass and muggshouse would be more eclectic.
 
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daddek

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I think it's about the Fall of Rinse (TM), really. Not in a bad way, but like in the fall of Rome. It's the end of the cultural hegemony of Rinse, it's when you see a movement fall into decadence.

It's become phenomenally successful, more so than drum and bass every did. What FWD was part of is literally everywhere in the UK - from the XX to dubstep globally to Skepta working with Whoo Kid - the CCRU virus worked.

So within that, you see people who were maybe participating as audience members, or as listeners, wanting to add to that cultural movement, wanting to be part of the dialogue when that cultural movement is already complete, the dialogue is already ended. In the same way that modernist literature was the end, not the beginning, of the symbolist movement, so we see this lot as being the end, not a continuation, of a nuum.

Awesome. perhaps a little early to declare the death of the uk-nuum imo. there are future lineages to come and die also.

i think some nuumists read Energy Flash like socialists read Das Kapital.
they won't enjoy post nuum music, not ever.
Its somewhat similar to that true-school golden-age hip hop school, isnt it

can def respect that however, the allegiance to a set of principles
 

juanroberto

Reprezenting the Latinos
random thoughts -

blackdown likes what he likes. and he likes this stuff. hes always aspired to more 'progressive' values or stuff thats for both head and heart in his music, so thats no surprise. i just think a lot of it, can seem contrived. it has no real purpose that i can sense. its just 'there'. music for musics sake. some of its interesting/novel, a lot of it just feels oddly pointless.
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Blackdown just likes swing. remember that blog post he did about swing? he would be happy with nothing but ukg rip offs for the next 40 years
 

Blackdown

nexKeysound
blackdown likes what he likes. and he likes this stuff. ... i just think a lot of it, can seem contrived. it has no real purpose that i can sense. its just 'there'. music for musics sake. some of its interesting/novel, a lot of it just feels oddly pointless.

everyone's entirely free to like what they want about this stuff and i'm very keen listen to alternate views on it but i find this the most baffling feedback, so abstract as to have no value. it "lacks purpose" and "has no point", is "just for its own sake?" could you possibly point me to some counter examples of tracks that have a purpose, contain a point and were made for someone else's sake? and explain what either of these axis' actually does for your enjoyment of the music...
 

juanroberto

Reprezenting the Latinos
everyone's entirely free to like what they want about this stuff and i'm very keen listen to alternate views on it but i find this the most baffling feedback, so abstract as to have no value. it "lacks purpose" and "has no point", is "just for its own sake?" could you possibly point me to some counter examples of tracks that have a purpose, contain a point and were made for someone else's sake? and explain what either of these axis' actually does for your enjoyment of the music...

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Damien

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I can't stand most of the music in that article but surely Martin should write about the music he personally loves, if he's going to write loads on Funky out of duty then he may as well write about deep house as I hear just as much Deep House as Funky in a lot of this stuff (as well as other genres obviously)
 
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This is definitely Juan of the most repetitive things I've ever read on here. Bit of an echo chamber thing going on-

"it's shit!"
"no it isn't!"
[slightly polite house tune]
"it's shit!"
"no it isn't!"
[slightly polite house tune]

If it counts as whatever this music is, I must say that logos' stuff is uniformly excellent, really disappointed I couldn't see his set last night to be honest. Quite interesting percussion as well, though I'm not entirely sure how that sort of stuff would go down in a club. Will find out soon enough I guess.

New Deadboy EP is really good as well I think, though the drums probably mean it'd sit a lot more comfortably in the funky thread I guess.

I think the drum programming is one of the main flaws in a lot of stuff people are pushing in this vein actually, certainly in a lot of the stuff I get promo'd anyway; interesting that someone talked about swing even if it was veiled as an unwarranted diss to black down- to me a lot of it doesn't really have much swing or vibe at all. Just far too polite 4/4 with really obvious patterns around it.

It's a shame really as when you think of all the interesting things that have happened sonically at 4/4 and indeed from a London standpoint, why people seem to be overly focussed (sic?) on this really over-polite palette, I don't get it.
 

juanroberto

Reprezenting the Latinos
This is definitely Juan of the most repetitive things I've ever read on here. Bit of an echo chamber thing going on-

"it's shit!"
"no it isn't!"
[slightly polite house tune]
"it's shit!"
"no it isn't!"
[slightly polite house tune]

i prefer the grime thread where it's all "wow slackk that sounds like a ruff sqwad tune from 2002"
 

Tentative Andy

I'm in the Meal Deal
New Deadboy EP is really good as well I think, though the drums probably mean it'd sit a lot more comfortably in the funky thread I guess.

Yeah I agree. Here 4 U esp sounds like a UK Funky tune to me. Ace EP anyway however you would class it.
 

routes

we can delay.ay.ay...
Fuller by Funkysteps is the best dancing tune i love it so much. it has no syncopted hats in it except a stiff offbeat, so you can SWING to the drums a bit when you dance. all the drive in the tune is in that glidey attacky lead synth and the snappy snares, digibongos and claps. then the 16th hats rise up every 16 bars like a drum fill to roll it round. sexy as fuck. it's total genius now i think about it.

I must say that logos' stuff is uniformly excellent

yeah gotta agree with that, the couple of things i've heard by him have really stood out, great bass melodies and loads of space. take a brave selector to slam one of those on in a bubbling dance tho.

@juanroberto you're pretty boring now, i bet ur 30 from tonbridge wells. post some good latinuum tunes pls, i'd actually like to hear some not-shit latin stuff. when i was in Spain it was all Marco Carola/Yeff Meelz style BANGBANG stuff, people doing flamenco handclaps while dancing to druggy techno.
 
yeah gotta agree with that, the couple of things i've heard by him have really stood out, great bass melodies and loads of space. take a brave selector to slam one of those on in a bubbling dance tho.

er yeah I think you may need an MC to carry a couple of them but then there's a lot of sub to his tunes as well so I'm a bit torn on that- the minimal percussion could actually work in their favour in a rave, let the bass just carry it. Think I'll try and find out in the week, fuck it.
 

rrrivero

Well-known member
Fuller by Funkysteps is the best dancing tune i love it so much. it has no syncopted hats in it except a stiff offbeat, so you can SWING to the drums a bit when you dance. all the drive in the tune is in that glidey attacky lead synth and the snappy snares, digibongos and claps. then the 16th hats rise up every 16 bars like a drum fill to roll it round. sexy as fuck. it's total genius now i think about it.
that's a funky tune though
 
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