Are you an owl or a lark?

Are you an Owl or a Lark?


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Client Eastwood

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Im becoming more and more lark like over time. I seem to wake up at about 7.00 by default. Doesn't matter if its a work day or the weekend. Even if i've been out and had one too many - 7.00 wide awake and its hangover hell when you know it make more sense to be asleep. Somedays i'm awake at 5 and i wonder what to do. Its a great time to listen to music on headphones tho'.

Every once in a while ill stay up late into the night on my own. Nice and easy vibe. Really is a good feeling just pottering about.
 
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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
I often like to wake Dawn up with some ferocious bukkake.


She's not so keen, but it gets her out of bed at least.
 

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
oh god, i have expanded upon it. READ MY POST. You credit women with zero intelligence, and you speak about women as though they are objects with no free will of their own.

This is what the anti-porn and anti-sex work zealots excel at--assuming that all women are delicate flowers who can't make rational decisions about their own lives, based on their own preferences, so they speak for them in every instance as if they are mute and mentally disabled.

Porn is no more or less exploitative or misogynistic or patriarchal than marriage is. Sex work is work, period. Just like housework is work. Or sex with your husband/boyfriend can be work. Relationships are labor, period.

The reason why men feel so guilty and conflicted about their enjoyment of porn is because of the schizoid split in their Judeo-Christian consciousness. The women whom they love (who get Madonnified) they can't defile with their deepest, darkest sexual desires and needs. So they project those desires onto the Whores in porn, and sex workers, and strippers, etc. Men can't romantically love women who actively participate in wild sex, the way porn actresses or sex workers do. But they do need to feel wanted and matched in terms of sexual appetite. But then they can't get that sense of being matched sexually from their girlfriends or wives, because the women chosen as girlfriends and wives are the women who are supposedly too "good" to have those feelings. (I think a lot of men really need to think that in part because it's too scary to think your girlfriend is capable of being a 3-D sexual person. That might mean she thinks about people other than yoooo. Oh no!)

Porn is fake, but so is sex with real people sometimes. Simulacra aren't just on screens, y'all.

And the idea that the sado-masochistic elements of porn *only* exist in porn, and not in real-life het sex, is just... ugh... where do you even start with that?
 

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
I don't know. I think most people probably use it for pain relief. Masturbation releases endorphins (or something). Of course when you get really into it, it doesn't particularly matter what you're looking at: I mean on one hand it's of the utmost importance, but on the other it doesn't matter whether you actually desire anyone the images are showing.

The way I usually do it, not to get too vulgar, is to spend the 1st hour watching things I'd like to be involved with myself, with people who I consider desirable. The second hour I start going for 'weirdness', but doing it slowly so it's still enjoyable. So by the third hour I'm usually coming up on ladyboy 'golden shower' type stuff... (not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. why repress?) seems to work well. But there are other variations I employ to keep things interesting.

Just out of curiosity (you don't have to answer this if you don't want to): how long can you actually do this before you feel like you're satisfied or at least, done for the night?

It's funny, men are supposed to have this really long refractory period, but when there's this huge variety of porn around, that seems to go out the window.

I've never actually seen internet porn, besides 'two girls one cup' which my brother of all people sent me. I've seen lots more kinky porn than I have straight porn (which is campy on purpose) so I don't really know that much about straight porn. Except that what I have seen seems really funny, like laugh out loud funny. Everyone's always whining really loud and making really really weird faces.

I've noticed there's lots of shoving random objects into vaginas, which is mostly done for the visuals I guess. Like, the whole "female handjob" thing just looks torturous, why would that seem like a good idea?
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
The women whom they love (who get Madonnified) they can't defile with their deepest, darkest sexual desires and needs.

I'd just like to say that this is not necessarily true (though probably sometimes true, I guess). I suppose it all depends on how well one's perversions match up with one's partners'.

Men can't romantically love women who actively participate in wild sex, the way porn actresses or sex workers do.

Definitely, definitely not true.


But I agree with you about the crypto-sexism in why a lot of men object to porn/prostitution.
 

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
I'd just like to say that this is not necessarily true (though probably sometimes true, I guess). I suppose it all depends on how well one's perversions match up with one's partners'.



Definitely, definitely not true.


But I agree with you about the crypto-sexism in why a lot of men object to porn/prostitution.

I don't think it's true in all cases, and I definitely think it's less true of younger guys than older ones. I notice a lot of men start out that way as teens then grow out of it as they get older. But it's a general trend. Also some of it is unconscious.

I think nowadays there's a lot more emphasis on finding partners with compatible kinks. Like I know of all these body mod people who are into hanging off hooks and getting mad piercings and shit. They all date each other. Seems like subcultures are sticking together more and you have less of a gap between the mainstream and the underground in sexual subcultures.
 

Tentative Andy

I'm in the Meal Deal
There was already a porn thread, wasn't there? I think I got involved for about a minute and then devolved into making silly schoolboy jokes. :eek:

I'm 100% owl, btw.
 

four_five_one

Infinition
Just out of curiosity (you don't have to answer this if you don't want to): how long can you actually do this before you feel like you're satisfied or at least, done for the night?

Oh, it's interminable. I can think I'm finished, then start the whole process over half an hour later. I feel satisfied if I can end in stage one (i.e. looking at porn w/ppl I'd actually be attracted to), but if I've moved onto the 'weirdness', then I know it's going to be a long unsatisfying evening. This might be because of the mild trauma and guilt which starts to gnaw me after hour 3. Usually more along the times of 'why am i wasting my life?' more than anything to do with the porn.

I doubt getting a 'real partner' would remove the role porn plays in my life. Past partners and I have often watched porn together, though not to the exhaustive lengths I go to alone. I think it's got less to do with sex, more to do with a general satisfaction in yr life (which has a lot to do with sex), otherwise porn would probably be like a 5-10 minute thing.

I think toys are important because it's rare than an appendage would naturally be of such girth - and perhaps it's important to suggest that women (or men) will always want something bigger. This is why the penis enlargement advertising is usually shown to the right of the movie. But many women/men do love 'fisting', don't they? And I could imagine a fist is much larger than most dildos used. Anyway...

Had a thought earlier - that - since I'm against traditional gender roles and 'essentialism' (in this sense) and porn is really all about these stereotypes, playing these tired tropes over & over again... maybe this is the 'transgressive' thing for me. I enjoy it in porn lol, but still hope that people don't think people need be like that 'irl'.

Off to http://chatroulette.com/ now for some quick mutual j/o fun.
 
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four_five_one

Infinition
talk of 'transgression' and 'chemistry' (ha!) is joke. explotation? duh, another no-brainer imo. i'm starting to feel angry... somebody pull me up on this one, please, i'd enjoy the opportunity to flex.
put simply, if one needs to watch paid whores (of any gender) to expand one's sexual experience then one is a miserable fucking lay. period.

A few years ago I suppose 'paid whores' were the only option if you wanted to do certain things (to 'expand' your sexual experience). But these days as Nomad said, there are groups on the internet where you can go to find a partner who is into exactly what you're into. (plus people just know about a greater range of things, thanks to porn)... might seem shallow to base a relationship solely on the fact that you both enjoy s & m, but aren't the best short term relationships terribly shallow anyway?

Plus, if yr particular scene is big enough, you have a good chance of finding someone with a nice/interesting personality too. I wonder what age you stop being interested in such things? Or maybe you don't but you're forced into retirement because of the shame of being old and still thinking about sex. Maybe the other group members ostracize you, or maybe they're chill with it as long as you're still in good shape.
 

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
Do straight people actually enjoy fisting? I'm clueless, most of the fisting I've heard of has always been in the context of pretty serious and deliberate pain play, so, idk.

A few years ago I suppose 'paid whores' were the only option if you wanted to do certain things (to 'expand' your sexual experience). But these days as Nomad said, there are groups on the internet where you can go to find a partner who is into exactly what you're into. (plus people just know about a greater range of things, thanks to porn)... might seem shallow to base a relationship solely on the fact that you both enjoy s & m, but aren't the best short term relationships terribly shallow anyway?

Plus, if yr particular scene is big enough, you have a good chance of finding someone with a nice/interesting personality too. I wonder what age you stop being interested in such things? Or maybe you don't but you're forced into retirement because of the shame of being old and still thinking about sex. Maybe the other group members ostracize you, or maybe they're chill with it as long as you're still in good shape.

Oh jeez...shallow? And it's not shallow to base a relationship on mutual love of long walks on the beach, or fine dining, or whatever? Please.

You're never too old, if the craigslist personals are any indication. I used to go to the Cock on Friday nights and there were always tons of old guys there-- and that's on the gay scene, which is notoriously hard on older people. Ditto for the leather bars in Chelsea. But I was token girl at most of those places you know... you could literally smell the testosterone in those places, it was unreal. You could cut through it with a knife. That's where I met a lot of "gay-for-pay" male go-go dancers. At first I didn't believe they were actually straight, but eventually I realized they really were, which helped them make even more money, because the gays love the unattainability of the straight guy who is pretending to be gay or something. It's really funny the things that get twisted up in those places. Like gay guys dressed like jocky frat boys pretending to be straight go-go dancers, dancing right next to the straight go-go dancers who are pretending to be gay, and so on.

Oh, the poor exploited mens! I hear violins.
 
quick owl post, whilst the larks lay sleeping.
i'm concerned at the misinterpretation of my post wrt female sex-workers - "zero intelligence" and "speak(ing) for them in every instance as if they are mute and mentally disabled" are serious and somewhat unfouded allegations considering that i deliberately used "participants" (non-gender specific) and "whores (of any gender)" to suggest otherwise. "any gender" was said explicitly to include transgender, which had been mentioned upthread.
to maintain that all sex workers are in the job for the love of it equally ludicrous, but nobody is actually saying that, are they??
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
That's where I met a lot of "gay-for-pay" male go-go dancers. At first I didn't believe they were actually straight, but eventually I realized they really were, which helped them make even more money, because the gays love the unattainability of the straight guy who is pretending to be gay or something.

I gather that an unbelievable amount of gay porn revolves around the theme of an ostensibly straight young guy being 'turned' or discovering his true inner gayness with the assistance of a bunch of burly bikers/sailors/whatever the preferred stereotype is these days.

It's really funny the things that get twisted up in those places. Like gay guys dressed like jocky frat boys pretending to be straight go-go dancers, dancing right next to the straight go-go dancers who are pretending to be gay, and so on.

Sounds like one of those daft Shakespearian farces where you have a female character disguised as a boy/man...but of course, as it would have been staged ca. 1600, all the female characters would have been played by boys anyway... :rolleyes:

(Also, I love that the club you went to is called The Cock, there's a wonderful up-front-ness about the name.)
 

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
quick owl post, whilst the larks lay sleeping.
i'm concerned at the misinterpretation of my post wrt female sex-workers - "zero intelligence" and "speak(ing) for them in every instance as if they are mute and mentally disabled" are serious and somewhat unfouded allegations considering that i deliberately used "participants" (non-gender specific) and "whores (of any gender)" to suggest otherwise. "any gender" was said explicitly to include transgender, which had been mentioned upthread.
to maintain that all sex workers are in the job for the love of it equally ludicrous, but nobody is actually saying that, are they??

You used words like "whores" in extremely derogatory and crass ways, words that only apply to women in the English language.
I love how men want the word "whore" to mean just anybody who has a lot of sex, conveniently, so they don't have to feel uncomfortable about using it. It doesn't mean that. It specifically refers to women who have sex for money, and it's been used as an insult and a way to control female sexuality for 1000s of years.

And beyond that, your concern troll post about the poor woman you claim to have seen who passed out in a film (you wouldn't know if this really happened, right? you'd be guessing...) didn't extend to the men in the scene. It was all about the woman. Group sex doesn't hurt men, it hurts women, in your mind, very clearly. Women can't handle rough, or strange, or kinky, or weird sex. Men, on the other hand, can.

The male "participants" in your German porn were largely invisible in your account. Although you'll probably try to arguely, lamely, that they weren't, but we'll all know better. Because we've seen your sorry brand of rehashed sexism a million times before.

to maintain that all sex workers are in the job for the love of it equally ludicrous, but nobody is actually saying that, are they??

Yeah, and everybody who pumps gas is just thrilled to be at the Sunoco station all day breathing in gasoline fumes. I'm glad you're so concerned about the laborers, buddy. They're really indebted to you forever.
 

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
I gather that an unbelievable amount of gay porn revolves around the theme of an ostensibly straight young guy being 'turned' or discovering his true inner gayness with the assistance of a bunch of burly bikers/sailors/whatever the preferred stereotype is these days.



Sounds like one of those daft Shakespearian farces where you have a female character disguised as a boy/man...but of course, as it would have been staged ca. 1600, all the female characters would have been played by boys anyway... :rolleyes:

(Also, I love that the club you went to is called The Cock, there's a wonderful up-front-ness about the name.)

I really haven't seen any about turning. Although there are some hilarious ones about "indie" guys, which are played by these really huge buff guys with bowl cuts and striped t-shirts.

Upfront, that's a good way to put it! ha
 

grizzleb

Well-known member
Related - I was pretty impressed with Sasha Grey on Tyra Bank's programme, she gave the sanctimonious, hypocritical cunt a run for her money.

Don't think the 'men don't love girls who have fucked up sex' thing is true at all, from talking to people my age generally. Maybe back in the day, but I think the advent of widespread uptake of internet porn has basically done away with that.
 
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