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    Default Improv is bad

    While I'm at this I may as well mention that Free Jazz is great, but where's the interest in listening to a form of music that makes a point of rejecting your interest.
    Free jazz is completely different.

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    I tend to like non-idiomatic improv most in solo performance - the solo work of Derek Bailey and Evan Parker, in particular, is great. In a group context, the desire to avoid cliche often seems to result in people playing at cross purposes or just plain not listening to each other.

    Also, it's incredible how cliche-ridden and conformist improv can actually be. The last improv show I went to featured a lot of people blowing into their wind instruments with the mouth-pieces removed, resulting in a uniform puffing noise. It was totally ridiculous but they were all doing it because I guess that's what the cool thing was in improv at that moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by connect_icut View Post
    It was totally ridiculous but they were all doing it because I guess that's what the cool thing was in improv at that moment.
    +n large up Mr. Tea in a different context.

    If it's all about freedom to do what thou wilt why the massively documented reluctance to play in time? or to harmonise?

    somebody please defend

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    There's no need for those blasting convention to play in time or harmonise because musicians are obviously free to do that already. The whole point is to try things that aren't usually done and see whether it brings bad luck or not. And they have to run each experiment at least twice just to check.

    These pioneers are not free in that they are obliged to transgress. But in transgressing they give they then give every one of us more room in which to express ourselves - they give each of us more freedom. And for this reason, above all others, you too are subject to an obligation: to listen to what they do and pretend to enjoy it.

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    you're always wrong when you rely on safety in numbers.
    or well
    a pioneer in the day was the guy who put pions in for future guys to navigate by

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    every once in a while i read some reviews in the wire and feel compelled to pick up a few improv cds, and i don't dislike them but can't say i get it and really enjoy it. just recently got burkhard stangl/kai fagaschinski "musik: ein portrat in sehnsucht" on erstwhile and Polwechsel "Archives of the North" on hatOLOGY and been making an effort to play them at least once a day to see if they sink in, but not really happening yet.

    i do think some of this might be more interesting live than on cd (except for the examples mentioned above...)

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    i get it and really enjoy it

    this is what's missing

    that's why pictures can be a great record and n can't
    Last edited by woops; 08-03-2010 at 11:01 PM. Reason: mispelled can't

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    Quote Originally Posted by woops View Post
    i get it and really enjoy it

    this is what's missing

    that's why pictures can be a great record and n can't
    i must have missed something, don't understand what you mean. do you think improv is bad, or do you get it/really enjoy it?

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    it's the 1% of it that i like makes me wonder why

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    Get this:



    It's the shizz.

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    shb;r

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    Quote Originally Posted by massrock View Post
    shb;r

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    this is an undisciplined derivation of 70s post-concrete while adding nothing worthwhile. flowery and decorative frivolity in place of formal rigor. you just made Derek Bailey cry. i hope you are proud.

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    Derek Bailey was a cunt and so are you.

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    OK that's not fair, I never met Derek Bailey.

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    isn't all music improvised to some extent?

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