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    I've moved this from the other thread. with the BNP having a disastrouss election and undergoing some kind of oprganisational meltdown, the EDL is likely to be home to most of the action for the far right, so it should get its own thread. They also get a surprisingly easy ride from people who wouldn't touch the BNP.

    Things are brewing round here
    http://trialbyjeory.wordpress.com/20...of-persuasion/
    http://uaf.org.uk/2010/06/stop-the-r...n-east-london/

    June 20, EDL vs UAF outside the Troxy, which is hosting Islamic (alleged) nasties.

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    Your links are screwed somehow.

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    I think you've copied the shortened links, rather than the full ones

    Anyhow, is one of the reasons the EDL gets an easy ride/ is not fully exposed simply because it's so provincial? It's not a London thing, it seems to come mainly from the Midlands,and the Metropolitan media just have not been interested.

    I'm from Norwich, and my friends at home, as it were, are much more aware of the EDL than I am. I say "aware", I mean "sympathetic to" in some cases. I also say "friends"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hucks View Post
    I think you've copied the shortened links, rather than the full ones

    Anyhow, is one of the reasons the EDL gets an easy ride/ is not fully exposed simply because it's so provincial? It's not a London thing, it seems to come mainly from the Midlands,and the Metropolitan media just have not been interested.

    I'm from Norwich, and my friends at home, as it were, are much more aware of the EDL than I am. I say "aware", I mean "sympathetic to" in some cases. I also say "friends"...
    They've been quite careful (after a bad start) to distance themselves from the BNP, deny any links to racism and wave their token Sikh around (I believe he's now a fairly senior official, notionally at least). Saying your against Islamic extremism is something of a no-brainer too, though how that tallies with a gang of football hooligans walking around Asian areas singing "We want out country back"...

    btw, I don't think the media have ignored them, but reporting is necessarily confined to the marches and demos (which usually just tunr into rucks with teh UAF). Big piece in the Guardian a few weeks back. dunno what the middle-brow tabs make of them - where's Scottdisco when you need him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hucks View Post
    Yup, the council issued a statement saying they\'d review their relationship with the Troxy if it went ahead. They took the hint.

    Downside is the EDL claim a small victory (though it's a weird kind of victory that amounts to the council organising to keep you out), but I can live with that if it means a) making life harder for IFE types to organise and propagandise b) keeping these BNP-type scum from holding punch-ups in our streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack View Post
    Big piece in the Guardian a few weeks back. dunno what the middle-brow tabs make of them - where's Scottdisco when you need him?
    i wuv you too Cracker

    i am afraid haven't the foggiest re Mail. Express, AFAICT, avoids them, or condemns street violence in passing but doesn't go in to things.

    the latter are clearly in a bind. as you may know, they loudly condemned the BNP pre-election, though everyone else could see they have been an effective recruiting pamphlet for the BNP for years - New Labour who obv bear responsibility, Margaret Hodge etc, Mike O'Brien when in the Home Office, all Home Secs, esp Blunkett and probably Clarke (you know the history) and the tabs in symbiosis egging ea other on still further have done that anyway, of course.

    so, they made overt statements condemning the BNP (because it is easy to be the Express and laud, as they genuinely do, Britons of any ethnic heritage who are settled here and who are honest, hard-working taxpayers, not this recent bunch who just want to swamp us), but the letters page tone was fairly easy to read; Express readers would write in now and again praising the BNP (who were) promising an even tougher stance on migrants than we already had under Nu Lab etc or the then main oppo Tories were promising.

    and the steady drip-feed of Express stories (nonsense, conflation, exaggeration, outright lies, etc) did a great job for the BNP.

    so i imagine they can't go too near the EDL, because even the slowest Express readers would see the similarities in terms of analysis about Muzzies that a gang of street thugs definitely share w Mr Desmond's organ.

    as i say, haven't a clue about the Mail mind.

    at least both papers lauded Refugee Week this week, which is something. there's still all their regular garbage about immigrants, but this is a bit of progress.

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    tbc, the UK being one of the few govts to keep open borders during that big enlargement round a few years ago of course wasn't the country being hard on migrants per se, but, i mean, because until fairly recently the middle-brow tabs still appeared to have trouble understanding the difference between asylum seekers, EU immigrants, etc, they fostered that culture of cynicism about asylum seekers (and still do about immigrants), and it all just feeds into one giant populist laundry list, that Kurdish chap, for one, kicked to death by youths in the northeast some years back and witnesses said they heard them shouting anti-Muslim slogans as they murdered him, people believing TalkSport when they did that patently false story about Kosovans and the Queen's swans, just the general toxification of the air...

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    citing a murder in the same breath as a bit of uninformed rabble-rousing over the airwaves might sound like i'm breaking some sort of Godwin's law for media studies, but i'll leave that post up, FWIW.

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    In the week following their Newsnight debut, EDL get their first paper supporter.

    Many more pathetic fumbles like Paxman last week and they might get more, Express being the next obvious choice. (Mail might be wary of Hurrah for the Burberry Caps-type headlines, especially given the footy-hoolie background of the EDL).

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    The transition from street fighting and boasting on facebook to being an actual political party that people will vote for is not an easy one.

    The EDL seems to largely consist of fantasists and self-identified football "crews". Unlikely to succeed, even with the Star's support.

    Likely scenarios include:

    Being absorbed by BNP/UKIP or similar.

    Another big scandal about the leadership either being corrupt or being stupid or both. (See: the seemingly completely invented assassination attempt against The Leader prior to the Luton event).

    A series of static demos which get more boring and lose support.

    Some other way of successfully releasing all that pent up testosterone and adrenaline, which results in prison sentences aplenty.

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    The Guardian piece completely fails to get to grips with the EDL's wacky post-modernism.

    The conclusion about them being anti-semitic is hardly proven and their gay/jewish "sections" (is it one person who happens to be both?) is not addressed. Nor them flying the Israeli flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    The Guardian piece completely fails to get to grips with the EDL's wacky post-modernism.

    The conclusion about them being anti-semitic is hardly proven and their gay/jewish "sections" (is it one person who happens to be both?) is not addressed. Nor them flying the Israeli flag.
    No, it's just based on outdated assumptions about EDL=racist=BNP=anti-semite. Whatever we think of EDL's claim not to be racist, it seems pretty clear they're a new(er) generation with little of the Hitlerite baggage of Tyndall.

    And anti-Islamism/Islamophobia (as you will) has much more widespread support than the BNP. Their main obstacle to growth (at least as a movement, even more so as political party) is their hoolie roots. Your leader adopting the name of a local football hooligan as a pseudonym (completely overlooked by Paxman) doesn't help.

    A merger with UKIP would be funny, if only for the Farage/Robinson press conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    The Guardian piece completely fails to get to grips with the EDL's wacky post-modernism.

    The conclusion about them being anti-semitic is hardly proven and their gay/jewish "sections" (is it one person who happens to be both?) is not addressed. Nor them flying the Israeli flag.
    Yeah, what the hell's with that? I wouldn't be at all surprised if plenty of their boys on the streets were a bit anti-Semetic, I mean it goes with xenophobia generally, but I'd have thought the leaders would have tried to get some visibly Jewish characters on board to further legitimise the "We're not racist, see?" line. And it surely wouldn't be that hard to find some conservative Jews who might share their scaremongering views on Islam - would be quite funny to see them recruit Melanie Philips...

    Edit: also, what crackerjack said.
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