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    What comes after postmodernism?

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    You can add as many posts as you like - we're up to post-post-post-post-modernism now (can be written p to the fourth)

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    What comes after postmodernism?
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    Interesting. If you take a dialectical approach to the question, and employ the vaguest possible definitions of modernism and postmodernism, you could arrive at the synthesis of absolutism and relativism as the answer. Now, what that would look like, I have no idea, and it could be something like gnosis/anamnesis. But I'm working on it, or it is working me over, all the time.

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    I've seen the term "metamodernism" bandied about, but I don't know much about it.

    In 2010 the cultural theorists Timotheus Vermeulen and Robin van den Akker introduced the term metamodernism [24] as an intervention in the post-postmodernism debate. In their article 'Notes on metamodernism' they assert that the 2000s are characterized by the emergence of a sensibility that oscillates between, and must be situated beyond, modern positions and postmodern strategies. As examples of the metamodern sensibility Vermeulen and van den Akker cite the 'informed naivety', 'pragmatic idealism' and 'moderate fanaticism' of the various cultural responses to, among others, climate change, the financial crisis, and (geo)political instability.

    The prefix 'meta' here refers not to some reflective stance or repeated rumination, but to Plato's metaxy, which intends a movement between opposite poles as well as beyond.

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    I don't know. That doesn't feel like a synthesis. More like a compromise between modernism and postmodernism. I suspect whatever it will be will absolutely annihilate the idea that we were ever modern at all. Like breaking through on DMT or Salvia. You just stare in awe realizing you exist on a very low level of the evolutionary chain. More advanced technology and beings are in, around, beyond us all the time.

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    Once you have read Harold Brodkey you can see where Dave got a lot of his stylistic quirks from. "...Classical Mode" especially

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    Doesn't meta originally mean very simply "after"? I thought that what became metaphysics was literally what was in the books Aristotle had on his shelf after physics. Or is that bollocks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackk View Post
    Once you have read Harold Brodkey you can see where Dave got a lot of his stylistic quirks from. "...Classical Mode" especially
    Apparently he lifted a bit from Gaddis too.

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    You can see something of the style in John Irving but DFW certainly took it further.

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    A DWF video popped up in my suggesteds today and that weird doo rag/bandana he wore is enough to put me off reading him ever again.

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    Apparently that was to mask what he thought was a sweating problem, but he also claimed it was to stop his head exploding.

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    What comes after postmodernism?
    Not trying to sound cute, but I would call it "postmortem." As in, after viral or non-reflexive discourse (just everyone shouting at once) leads to splatter, the generation that comes after us will have to clean up the mess and then try to document and explain it. The splatter could take so many forms, maybe every possible form: worldwide total doxxing (my personal favorite) where everyone's private shit becomes public, or nuclear holocaust, or environmental catastrophe, maybe meme/discourse/cyber warfare. Addiction to social media and reality media (tabloids, porn) , ie the state of being perpetually trapped in a cycle of hyper-mediated communication that moves too fast, and provides too much instant self-gratification for intellectual distance or reflection, means crisis solutions become impossible.

    Man that image from Infinite Jest with the liaison dead in front of his teleputer (I read it 15 years ago, forgive me if my memory's fuzzy) still haunts me. Wallace knew we were getting sucked into a void, guess he realized we crossed a critical threshold, and thought death was his only escape. WRONG.

    Well, back to The Wizard starring Fred Savage. How did these kids avoid getting molested, and how were they staying hydrated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nucleus View Post
    Not trying to sound cute, but I would call it "postmortem." As in, after viral or non-reflexive discourse (just everyone shouting at once) leads to splatter, the generation that comes after us will have to clean up the mess and then try to document and explain it.
    Wallace said something along those lines.

    For me, the last few years of the postmodern era have seemed a bit like the way you feel when you’re in high school and your parents go on a trip, and you throw a party. You get all your friends over and throw this wild disgusting fabulous party. For a while it’s great, free and freeing, parental authority gone and overthrown, a cat’s-away-let’s-play Dionysian revel. But then time passes and the party gets louder and louder, and you run out of drugs, and nobody’s got any money for more drugs, and things get broken and spilled, and there’s a cigarette burn on the couch, and you’re the host and it’s your house too, and you gradually start wishing your parents would come back and restore some fucking order in your house. It’s not a perfect analogy, but the sense I get of my generation of writers and intellectuals or whatever is that it’s 3:00 A.M. and the couch has several burn-holes and somebody’s thrown up in the umbrella stand and we’re wishing the revel would end. The postmodern founders’ patricidal work was great, but patricide produces orphans, and no amount of revelry can make up for the fact that writers my age have been literary orphans throughout our formative years. We’re kind of wishing some parents would come back. And of course we’re uneasy about the fact that we wish they’d come back–I mean, what’s wrong with us? Are we total pussies? Is there something about authority and limits we actually need? And then the uneasiest feeling of all, as we start gradually to realize that parents in fact aren’t ever coming back–which means “we’re” going to have to be the parents.

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    Love that quote, especially the part at the end: "Oh shit, we have to be the parents now. We have to clean up the mess!" I suspect if DFW were alive today, he'd say we failed to face that challenge, failed miserably (especially artists), which is why the most powerful person in the world is an adult infant. Infantalization is how splatter manifests in human personalities, which is translated into political and cultural discourse, creating a feedback loop.

    A poll was released today by CNN: 52% of Americans believe Trump will be re-elected in 2020. Grab a mop. Or a noose.

    I can't stand when adults try to act, sound, or look "cute." It triggers homicidal impulses. Watching adults dance in synchronization, which I just did while viewing LaLaLand for the first time (opening scene), just makes me boil over with inchoate rage. Like boiling black molasses. The rest of LaLaLand was pretty good though. Beautiful elegy to the end of Hollywood and its plastic dream machine.

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