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    Well back in my day, we used two wall fans and a sewing needle connected to a big horn with telephone wire. That's when REAL DJs existed.

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    Yeah yeah yeah...

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    So sound quality, personality, quality control and mixing skills all down the shitter.

    I kind of get the "I don't care what you mix on" thing, selection and quality of the set should always come first. But it really bothers me that it seems like its gonna get to a point where the technical ability of a DJ is completely irrelevant. I love it when your listening to radio or whatever and someone pulls off a ridiculous mix, not just with selection but technically as well. Ben UFO dropping a Dizzee tune at the wrong speed or Youngsta or Chef's 3 deck mixes spring to mind.

    Maybe in the real long run if this happened then any kind of specialist DJ would die out as well? If everyone's mixing is perfect every time then i can't see most DJ's getting anywhere if they don't produce, theres barely anyone who can do it now and those that do are all brilliant technically.

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    Since Ableton makes mixing ability irrelevant, it shifts the focus to selection and more significantly, performance. The west coast example given to me is of people like Glitch Mob tilting their APC controllers toward the audience. Once you're not mixing it's all about 'the show,' something we noticed in the US when we came with our London preconceptions like the value of accurate mixing over visible performance & use of the mic etc
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    on a more poitive note, i just put in an order for more dubs to be pressed and there's a queue to have them cut in time for my gig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdown View Post
    Once you're not mixing it's all about 'the show,' something we noticed in the US when we came with our London preconceptions like the value of accurate mixing over visible performance & use of the mic etc
    Back to the performance eh?
    Give me a faceless DJ and people dancing with each other, over everyone staring at the 'show' on stage anyday of the week.
    'Shows' make clubs like gigs, lots of crossed arms and nodding, not enough dancing

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    I agree. The best nights out I've had have been dancing in a circle with mates to hip hop, RnB and pop chart fodder played by an anonymous DJ. I think its weird being on a dancefloor with everyone facing the DJ, its better if they're just tucked away in a corner somewhere. Its half the reason I don't really bother going to see 'name' DJs anymore cos everyone just stares at them, whether they're doing anything visually interesting or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wise View Post
    Back to the performance eh?
    Give me a faceless DJ and people dancing with each other, over everyone staring at the 'show' on stage anyday of the week.
    'Shows' make clubs like gigs, lots of crossed arms and nodding, not enough dancing
    Oh, god. I didn't even realize people did this until I went to go see DJ Shadow do a concert. I got involved in a tense situation that almost escalated into a physical fight when some moron started giving my tall friend some grief about moving because this moany punter "couldn't see." Remember that animated youtube video that parodied dubstep by showing a load of people in a room standing stock still and nodding? That's not electronic music crowds... that's rock crowds!

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    I'm a social retard with deep-seated issues around enjoying myself and so I hate dancing in circles with people. It makes me feel uncomfortable. Unless I'm on MDMA or very drunk.

    This is why I prefer dark clubs - it helps me lose myself in the music more.

    Obviously if I'm at a club playing the Baywatch Theme Tune and Rhianna tunes I prefer the club to be well lit so I can perv on girls from a safe distance.

    Anyway, people facing the front doesn't = people standing still. I quite like that facing the front set-up. I miss that worshipful attitude I used to have to DJs, even though in retrospect a lot of those DJs were shitcakes.

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    couldn't give less of a shit about what a dj uses. and i'm pretty sure 90% of people who go to clubs don't either. they just want to have a good time. plus the ones who are there to just have a good time usually spend more cash at the bar compared to the beard strokers complaining about the sound quality in the corner.

    things change, and yeah, in many ways vinyl is great, it's just time to move on. or put your own night on!

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    I think people facing a DJ is good. If you go to a club to see one of your favorite DJ's then you probably want to see them. Plus the fact some people (me included) might want to see them mix. Its cool that everyone faces the DJ and there's a interaction between them and the crowd. If theres no face then someone might as well stick a mix on. Obviously it can go too far though.

    I guess if you just go out to have a good time and dance (and nothing else) then none of what a dj uses or seeing them ect. matters. But plenty of nights cater for people like that though. Sad music nerds want more though.

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    Im only a sad music nerd when I'm at home. When I go out i want to just dance and have a good time and couldn't really care less about trying to figure out what the DJ is doing with his hands. I remember seeing some footage of Skream at FWD waving his dubplate around his head and the crowd was lapping it up, but I thought it looked quite ridiculous personally.

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    I don't really give a fuck about what the DJs doing (except the stuff I can hear). Never been one of those both-hovering nerds. I hide in the crowd so it looks like I'm a normie, while secretly I'm taking mental notes about every hi hat.

    But having a focal point for the room can be good, it can connect a large crowd in a way that everybody dancing in circles with their mates does nahht

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    I don't think i've ever seen a DJ do anything visually interesting, watching someone mix is like watching paint dry.

    I didn't necessarily mean dancing in circles with your mates (though that can be great too) I'm socially awkward as well so I guess i'm talking about the drug experience really, but the best nights for me are when there's some small level of interaction with other people in the club who are also really enjoying themselves (this usually indicates a good vibe).
    I think this kind of thing is reduced the more the emphasis is on 'watching' something at the front. Maybe I need to go back to attending small nights with no name djs, i'd probably have more fun.
    When I started clubbing I didn't take any drugs people danced with people they didn't know and no-one got aggy, there were no big DJs just residents, each DJ just mixed into the last tune of the previous ones set so everything just flowed.
    I miss that.
    None of this stop start - big tune - play for 10 seconds after the drop then rewind bullshit. --- end of moan
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    I quite enjoy watching this

    generally speaking though you're right. Thing is I don't think 90% (or more) of ppl facing the front in a club/rave are looking at what's going on at the front. They're just worshipping the sound of the universe singing itself thats coming from the speakers.

    Isn't there something exciting about being part of a big crowd all genuflecting at the altar of Paul Oakenfold?

    I remember the first rave (if you'd call it that) I went to in Nottingham, one of the highlights was standing on the balconey of Rock City and watching everybody below (all facing forward) going absolutely mental when a tune dropped (oh and all the ppl on the balconey too).

    Suddenly I miss getting twatted and going to cheesy DNB nights

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