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    Default if New York can die so can London

    do you ever worry about this? london has had a great run. but from afar i cant help worrying that its sputtering to a halt. im not sur its about to go as shit as new york but it suffers from a lot of th same problems id imagine. genuflecting to a mythos, stupid rents, wowsers, overezalous policing, hipster influx from outisde the city, dath of radio, irony etc etc etc...

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    if it happens it'll defintely be the irony that did it

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    actually im having second thoughts about the rent issue. make rents too low and you just get berlin, the least exciting city in the world, populated entirely by grpahic designers.

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    for eternity, people have always said things were better "back in the day". the jazzhead beatniks thought new york was over when bob dylan and the velvets came in the 60s. the velvets/warhol crowd thought it was over when the punks came in the 70s/80s, when east village rents jumped from $200 to $400 a month. OMG, what's an old hippie to do!!

    we might not like it, but you can't stop change.

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    Brenmar is officially evidence that London successfully killed New York, as in murdered. Until I heard him speak, I was convinced by the stupid haircut that he was an Englishman in New York (No Sting).

    There is a person in America so BLINDLY taking cues from whatever goes on in London, that until I heard him speak, I was so drastically convinced he wasn't actually american. I figured he was just Oneman's crate-carrier who got stranded on the way back from a show.

    You guys might as well just start taxing our house producers.

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    banning booze on public transport was a sign of heightened levels of wowserism. i hav mixed feelings about the smoking ban but its disasterous for clubs.

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    I happen to love Berlin. But then I am a graphic designer.

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    london still looks like a piece of shit but its quite sanitised now isnt it

    but yeah, london is probably dying

    i blame it on the vice mag-ification and indie-fication of trendies the world over

    the world is an indie hipster

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    they was talk of a new series of nathan barley, but they decided there was no point cos everyone's like that nowadays lol

    weird nowadays. its happening across all hardcoreish music, people like danny brown lil b, OF, would have been unimaginable in hip hop 10 years ago, apparently there's loads of hipster black metal too. i watch that "come with me lets be dickheads" vid on youtube and thats basically everyone i know. *well most >35s anyway

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    what Leo said, you guys need to stop buying into the narrative of decline so easily.

    In Greek mythology, each successive generation of mythical characters was described as being measurably weaker than the last. They went from being able to lift rocks the size of houses to being...well..human. It's in our biology to assume that the remembered or half-remembered past is superior to the present.

    Also may I ask whether most of you guys are past the 'youthful optimism and naivete' stage of life?

    I'm not saying London isn't full of hipsters and that the smoking ban hasn't been bad for clubs, mind.

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    Also may I ask whether most of you guys are past the 'youthful optimism and naivete' stage of life?
    well no

    but grime was more 'youthful' than a lot of what im hearing these days

    thing is tho, a lot of the post dubstep producers arent even from london are they?

    but we still think of it as being a london thing.
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    i disagre strongly with secondline but remember i have not said london is dead. im saying you shouldnt just go around thinking its gonna be good forever cos ny is a good cautionary tale.

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    when things die there's the greatest opportunity for regrowth. everyone said UK garage was dead in 2000. Those who stuck around got grime...
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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    actually im having second thoughts about the rent issue. make rents too low and you just get berlin, the least exciting city in the world, populated entirely by grpahic designers.
    What is it with you and Berlin, luka? You said the other day you've never been there. I've only been once myself but it seemed pretty happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdown View Post
    when things die there's the greatest opportunity for regrowth. everyone said UK garage was dead in 2000. Those who stuck around got grime...
    thing is, whats dead today? is all uk underground dance music as we know it - so thats funky, uk bass, dubstep, grime, all the post-dubstep stuff - dead? im having trouble keeping track.

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