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    if any1s at a loose end they could find some canonical lists for me ive broken a few bones and its hard to type annd do stuff actually

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    yeah i've gone on about this before but there was so much hype leading up to illmatic that 5 mics was a foregone conclusion. i don't think anything got a perfect rating for at least 3-4 years before that. it seemed to have at least in part to do with snoop emerging at the same time. he got 4.5 while nas' 5 'proved' nyc was still on top. it was silly. and as good as it was, i personally found it a bit disappointing - the large professor tracks were the standouts for me. 36 chambers was more immediately striking and i've listened to it a lot more over the years.
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    A Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory
    BORING
    A Tribe Called Quest- People's Instictive Travels and the Paths of Rythm
    BORING
    A Tribe Called Quest- Midnight Marauders
    BORING
    Above the Law- Livin' Like Hustlers
    HAS ITS MOMENTS...A BIT BORING THO
    Beastie Boys- License to Ill
    ENTERTAINING
    Beastie Boys- Paul's Boutique
    NEVER HEARD IT
    Big Daddy Kane- Long Live the Cane
    CLASSIC MATERIAL
    Big Daddy Kane- It's a Big Daddy Thing
    NOT SO GOOD
    Biz Markie- Goin' Off
    SORT OF FUNNY I SUPPOSE
    Black Moon- Enta Da Stage
    CLASSIC MATERIAL
    Black Sheep- A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing
    PLEASANT BUT ULTIMATELY DULL
    Bone Thugs and Harmony- Creepin' On Ah Come Up (EP)
    CLASSIC MATERIAL
    Boogie Down Productions- Criminal Minded
    CLASSIC MATERIAL
    Boogie Down Productions- By All Means Nessesary
    BORRING
    Brand Nubian- All For One
    CLASSIC MATERIAL
    Chill Rob G- Ride the Rythm
    NEVER HEARD THIS
    Common Sense- Resurrection
    CLASSIC MATERIAL
    Cypress Hill- Cypress Hill
    CLASSIC
    Cypress Hill- Black Sunday
    CLASSIC
    Das EFX- Dead Serious
    LARGELY DULL
    De La Soul- Three Feet High and Rising
    CLASSIC
    De La Soul- De La Soul Is Dead
    SATISFACTORY
    Diamond D- Stunts,Blunts and Hip-Hop
    VERY BORING
    Digable Planets- Reachin'...
    PLEASNAT BUT WET
    Digital Underground- Sex Packets
    QUITE FUNNY
    DJ Quick- Quick Is the Name
    OVERRATED
    D.O.C.- No One Can Do It Better
    NEVER HEARD THIS
    Doug E. Fresh- World's Greatest Entertainer
    LIGHWEIGHT BUT SORT OF FUN
    Dr.Dre- The Chronic
    UGLY BUT CLASSIC
    Eazy E- Eazy Does It
    QUITE CLASSIC DESPITE LIMITATIONS
    Eric B. and Rakim- Paid in Full
    SUPER CLASSIC
    Eric B. and Rakim- Follow the Leader
    UNEVEN BUT THE GOOD BITS ARE VERY GOOD
    Eric B. and Rakim- Let the Rythm Hit'Em
    DITTO
    EPMD- Strictly Business
    EPMD- Unfinished Business
    EPMD- Business as Usual
    DONT LIKE EPMD. WHAT YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?
    Fugees- The Score
    I LIKE READY OR NOT A LOT.
    Gang Starr- Step In The Arena
    DULL
    Gang Starr- Daily Operation
    DULL
    Genius/GZA- Liquid Swords
    CLASSIC
    Geto Boys- Grip It! On That Other Level
    QUITE GOOD
    Heavy D & The Boyz- Livin' Large
    DATED
    Ice Cube- Amerikkka's Most Wanted
    DATED
    Ice Cube- Death Certificate
    DATED
    Ice T- Original Gangster
    QUITE LIKE THIS
    Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince- He's the DJ, I'm The Rapper
    LIGHTWEIGHT BUT QUITE FUN
    Jay-Z- Reasonable Doubt
    DULL
    Jungle Brothers- Straight Out The Jungle
    CLASSIC
    Jungle Brothers- Forces Of Nature
    GOOD
    Just Ice- Kool and Deadly
    GOOD
    Kool G Rap and DJ Polo- Road To Riches
    CLASSIC MATRIAL
    KRS One- Return Of the Boom Bap
    BORING
    LL Cool J- Radio
    CLASSIC MATERIAL
    LL Cool J- Bigger and Deffer
    CLASSIC MATEREIAL
    LL Cool J- Mama Said Knock You Out
    DATED
    Lord Finesse- Funky Technician
    GOOD
    Main Source- Breakin' Atoms
    DULL
    MC Lyte- Lyte as a Rock
    NEVR HEARD THIS
    MC Shan- Down By Law
    NEVER HEARD THIS
    Mobb Deep- The Infamous
    SUPER CLASSIC
    Naughty By Nature- Naughty By Nature
    SATISFACTORY
    Nas- Illimatic
    SUPER CLASSIC
    Nice and Smooth- Nice and Smooth
    LIGHTWEIGHT
    Notorious B.I.G.- Ready to Die
    SUPER CLASSIC
    Notorious B.I.G.- Life After Death
    PATCHY.
    NWA- Straight Outta Compton
    CLASSIC
    Ol'Dirty Bastard- Return to the 36 Chambers
    PATCHY BUT COMPELLING
    Onyx- Bacdafucup
    Organized Confusion- Stress:the Extinction Agenda
    CLASSIC
    Outcast- ATLiens
    CLASSIC
    Pete Rock and CL Smooth- Mecca and the Soul Brother
    DULL
    Pharcyde- Bizzare Ride...II Pharcyde
    CLASSIC
    Poor Righteous Teachers- Holly Intellect
    DULL
    Public Enemy- Yo! Bum Rush the Show
    CLASSIC
    Public Enemy- It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back
    SUPER CLASSIC
    Public Enemy- Fear Of a Black Planet
    DISAPPOINTING
    Queen Latifah- All Hail the Queen
    DULL
    Raekwon- Only Built For Cuban Linx
    SUPR CLASSIC
    Redman- Whut Thee Album
    ENERTAINING
    Roots- Do You Want More?
    PATCHY
    Roots- Illadephalflife v.3
    CLASSIC
    Run DMC- Run DMC
    CLASSIC
    Run DMC- Raising Hell
    CLASSIC
    Salt N Pepa- Hot, Cool and Viscious
    NEVER HEARD IT
    Scarface- Mr. Scarface is Back
    A BIT CLASSIC
    Schooly D- Saturday Night: the Album
    A BIT CLASSIC
    Slick Rick- The Great Advantures Of Slick Rick
    LIGHTWEIGHT
    Smif N Wessun- Da Shinin'
    DULLER THAN YOU REMEMBER IT BEING
    Snoop Doggy Dogg- Doggystyle
    CLASSIC
    Souls Of Mischief- 93 Till' Infinity
    CLASSIC
    Special Ed- Youngest In Charge
    TOO MUCH FILLER
    Spice 1- Spice 1
    GOOD
    Stestasonic- On Fire
    BORING
    3rd Bass- Cactus Album
    BORING
    Too Short- Born To Mack
    BORING
    Tupac- Me Against The World
    SHRILL, HYSTERICAL
    Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown
    CLASSIC
    Whodini- Escape
    PATCHY
    Wu-Tang Clan- Enter the Wu-Tang
    CLASSIC
    X-Clan- To the East Backwards
    DULL

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    Luka, you don't like EPMD?!?

    Let's be clear, Illmatic is a good to great record. But It Was Written, the new "GREATEST NAS ALBUM EVER", has the Lauryn record, which is the official decent of Nas into doing horrible awful pandering records to go "OH PAHDUN ME SUH, HYUK HYUK." Straight garbage.

    Lauryn Hill set back humanity about 5 decades, that's a fact. Lauryn is responsible for the ruination of Eve & Dynamite, the blackballing of Queen Pen, and cast a tumorous shadow over rap that only the blessed one Nicki Minaj has been able to help us break the shackles from. People actually rate Lauryn Hill over fucking Foxy. Such BULL-SHIT. FUCK LAURYN, I HOPE SHE CHOKES ON THAT RANDOM MARLEY KID'S DICK.

    *clears throat* You guys are SO LUCKY you had grime. You don't even know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    X-Clan- To the East Backwards
    DULL
    this is one of my classics, but i was pretty afrocentric for a white kid in northwest ontario. bought it london, weirdly.
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    no i dont. its not hatred. just bemusement. explain the appeal. im willing to try and get over it. its the rapping not the beats. i like headbanger cos its not just those two mumbling.

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    i listened to the first two master ace albums a lot.
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    i'll argue til i'm blue that jungle brothers 'done by the forces of nature' is possibly the most underrated rap album ever. bad luck that it was released within a year of 3 feet high, nation of millions and straight outta compton. the production is mental in places. native tongues vibe before it got too self conscious.

    de la soul is dead was poor.
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    Actually agree with most of Luka's assessments of the above albums (the ones I've heard anyway). Probably not with the ATCQ panning cos I used to love those two albums. I mean, I'd probably get bored listening to Midnight Marauders/Low End Theory nowadays because the internet has destroyed my attention span, but that goes for almost ANY album (in ANY genre, too!). When was the last time I even listened to Illmatic the whole way through?

    I think this is actually how I view a lot of these albums now, for better or worse: I think of 'The Infamous' and about eight tracks pop up in my head as being ridiculously good, and therefore I consider it (like Luka) a SUPER CLASSIC. Whereas ''The Shining'', say, I can only remember liking about four or five tunes off it enough to listen to them again now, and so it seems like it must have been a boring album... It was a bit of a boring album, though. Hard to get through, at least.

    I wonder if a lot of these classics will seem less and less classic as we become more and more attuned to selecting whatever track we want to hear, shuffling playlists etc.?

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    Embarrassed to admit that rap music ended for me in 1996. I have a very vivid memory of a mate playing me the second Jay-Z single and me thinking "Well, that's the end of that then". I've liked the occasional thing since then but mainly mortifyingly uncool stuff like Anti Pop Consortium.

    I actually finally bought the vinyl of Illmatic this very evening. Just listened to it. It was ace.

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    illmatic is perfect. perfect albums can seem dull in comparison to other more ambitious, unhinged and heroiclly flawed albums but still deserve respect and recognition cos perefection aint easy.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    for what its worth this is wrong. it was massively hyped before release i was reading rap magazines at the time. 5 mics in the source for instance.
    You're quite right. My big brother used to get the source around then and I'd sneak the odd read. I've literally not a clue where I got the above idea from. Although I note the time of the posting and the fact I went out for Friday night drinks straight from work.

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    anyway best rap album of all time, ever, EVER is saafir's boxcar sessions. forget illmatic.

    cant believe luka doesnt like epmd. first and 2nd album are just all time classic for me. its my thing = perfection.

    and critical beatdown is also immortal.

    i did for a long time think rakim was quite a bit overrated though. i still do actually, though lyrics of fury is one of my favourite hip hop tracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    A Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory
    BORING
    • A Tribe Called Quest- People's Instictive Travels and the Paths of Rythm
    BORING
    • A Tribe Called Quest- Midnight Marauders
    BORING
    with this you nullified the whole thread. or maybe just spoke for a generation. how old are you? if you don't mind me asking.

    illmatic never did it for me. i didn't find Nas to have much of a strong personality or even a particularly cool voice. also didn't find his lyrics to be as deep as so many people were saying they were and i felt like he lacked the funk&humor which i always found to be common traits in the mcs i really dug. ny state of mind beat is always killer tho.

    fwiw: ultramag, ultra (kieth & tim dog), dr octagon and dr dooom are some of my favorite groups in hiphop history.
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