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    Not really familiar with a lot of K-pop, but I do like this track:



    I have mixed reactions to the video though. On the one hand, it's almost irresistably charming in its naivete. On the other, I have no idea how old the girls in Perfume are but I can't help but feel like I'm watching something specifically meant for 12 year old girls and that makes me a little uncomfortable. I don't know.

    I have significantly less confused feelings about Hyuna.

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    Well, Perfume's from Japan, and if my memory serves, they're all adults... Legit enough complaint though, I assume.

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    Yup, Perfume are Japanese and in their early 20s. AKB48 are a pretty interesting Jpop phenomenon, they have 60+ members who perform daily in their own theater. Although their ages range from early teens to mid twenties, so they're questionable eye candy, not that that seems to bother the Japanese.


    Back to the Korean pop.

    Secret - 'Poison'. Seems to me the producer had been listening to Ameri & Beyonce. Secret have been around a few years, they're don't seem to have the biggest fan base, but their first lp sold a shit load in Korea.


    Afterschool - Flashback. definitely an eye candy group, they go for the sexy rather than cute look.


    Hello Venus - Venus. a fine example of the cute approach, they only just debuted but are already pretty popular. Koreans seem kinda obsessed with the word "venus" despite the fact that a lot of them struggle with pronouncing 'V's commonly replacing them with 'P's.


    Glam - Party(XXO). Another new group, this one is put together by the same company as the Wonder Girls. There were about 60 new acts, groups and sub-groups in 2011, the trend has continued in 2012 with an additional 70.


    Sistar - Alone. This was a big hit for Sistar this year, propelling them into the upper echelons of kpop girl groups. They've only been around a few years but that kinda makes them veterans. The lead singer Hyorin has imho one of the best voices in kpop.


    Spica - Painkiller. Another new group for 2012, put together around Boa (the one with short red hair) who used to be a vocal coach for other acts. They're one of the few female kpop groups who really focus on the singing, with all members having strong voices.


    2NE1 - I love you. Label mates of Psy & Big Bang, and one of the biggest girl groups in Korea. They're currently dipping their toe into the US market with a small tour. Radio 1 played this song once, and Edith Bowmen kinda slated it - seems Radio 1 is too cool for straight up pop these days. They're meant to be bringing out a English language lp produced by Wil.i.am.



    That's probably enough for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by comelately View Post


    This is going global it seems.......
    was dancing to this with a bunch of Thai GoGo girls the other day, good times
    rap game hard but the dope game crazy

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    The dance has inspired a host of parodies, the song has hit the top of the charts in South Korea, Malaysia, Finland and Latvia, and the YouTube video has accumulated more than 227m views. Now, according to Thai media, Gangnam Style, by the K-pop star Psy, has inspired a West Side Story-esque show of rivalry between two Bangkok gangs who are said to have had a dance-off before engaging in a gun battle.

    The INN website reported that the two gangs were dining in the same restaurant when "the younger members of both groups danced provocatively at each other in the manner of top hit Gangnam Style". The dance-off escalated into an argument and, eventually, a gun attack in the upmarket Ekkamai neighbourhood, in which one of the gangs fired at least 50 bullets from a carbine and an 11mm gun.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...ootout-bangkok

    Gunman style!

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    I think I read somewhere that the producer Sophie is heavily influenced by K-Pop, or was it aiming for more of a kawaii j-pop? Or maybe its all a smokescreen to get some kind of mysterious aura around the producer. Either way he has a new clip on soundcloud https://soundcloud.com/pcmus/drinkqt/s-OABoz

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    Oh god it's really been 7 years of getting into this for me. Yikes.











    V. infuriating how the best R&B Group in the world being allowed to be promoted is a South Korean one but the world is confounding.





    This one produced by kids from London, hence the garagey sound



    Same producers did this one


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    Want luka to dare to tackle this vid, as long as he's not afraid of the mind gangsterism.

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    crowl, please could you give us one of your long posts about k-pop.

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    im assuming this is going to be terrifying and give me nightmares but here goes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    crowl, please could you give us one of your long posts about k-pop.
    I don't have the knowledge for that and I don't want it! The people who get the knowledge tend to be obsessive and abrasive about their knowledge. It's better just to gauge things in the dives. Just bear witness to the tunes. The experts will try to tell you some useless group with half a single is cutting the edge of music while they go get drunk with record execs on their personal time while vacationing in Seoul on Daddy's Dime.

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    Yeah ^that video sums up the underbelly of kpop pretty well. Although it's strange he didn't make more of the soft power thing and that the whole Korean wave thing came from a gov. initiative after the President noticed that the latest US summer blockbuster had grossed more than their major industries that year. Now Korean pop, tv and film dominate in many ways across the Asian market.

    The dark side of kpop is very real, of the groups I posted above (6 odd years ago);
    Secret have stopped performing because they're in a bitter legal battle with their management over not being paid.
    Afterschool's management just stopped promoting or giving them any new music, even though they are all still under contract.
    Hello Venus kinda split up, then came back with a new 'sexy' image and are now barely idols, more just girls who dance in skimpy clothing at cheap concerts.
    Glam disbanded after one of the members was convicted of trying to extort money from a famous actor.
    Sistar broke up, but were a rare success story.
    Spica broke up after making no money, most likely leaving the members in debt.
    2NE1 eventually disbanded after one of the members was involved in a drugs scandal - she was importing anti anxiety sedatives from the US, for personal use, but they were illegal in Korea. Their label mates at YG, Big Bang have stopped promoting after a key member was caught smoking weed whilst on military duty, which he tried to rectify by od'ing on benzo's, thankfully he recovered, unfortunately a member of Shinny, SM's rival boy band to Big Bang, succeeded in killing himself after battling depression for most of his short adult life.

    The Kpop machine keeps on rolling regardless. There's always a fresh new set of identikit trainees to simply take over where the others left off.


    Twice. the new 'nations girl group'. They've taken over the mantle from SNSD, although they're from a rival agency JYP - the leader of which was recently accused of being a downlow member of a cult. Korea has a real problem with very powerful, weird, quasi xian cults. The last President (who was herself sung about in a kpop hit 'Female President' paid for in part by gov investment) was brought down by huge scandal involving a cult. Twice are dominating Korean charts and breaking new records for girl group sales with each new release. They sure are smiley.



    Mamamoo. You could call them the new Spica, although they're much more successful. They're currently the popular vocal focused female group. A lot of their music is pretty middle of the road but they have quite a positive image. They're not typical starved, identikit, idol types and a lot of their success comes from their personalities and entertaining appearances on variety and reality shows. It's not enough for idols to sing and dance to a ridiculously high level of precision they must be all round entertainers; being funny, charming and producing cringy improv on demand all whilst being permanently and ridiculously positive at all times. They also seem to be strangely fond of a bogel.



    Black Pink. After 2NE1 imploded YG simply replaced them with the younger 2.0 version. 2NE1 were the second most popular girl group in Korea for several years and BP seemed to be on course for similar success, but they've been around 2 years and have only released 3 singles. Their management company seems to becoming somewhat of a joke, especially after their fronted 'create a pop group' reality show ended with no music actual being recorded or released; imagine Xfactor but with no cash grab single at the end of it to fill Simon Cowell's pockets. Instead the only result was a lawsuit on behalf of the individuals involved and the public being left wondering why they'd wasted everyone's time.



    OhMyGirl. The latest in a long line of cutesy girl groups. Although they may seem super saccharine, they're actually at the more rounded level of cute girl groups. Their image allows them to be slightly sexy and at least display some of the traits you'd expect in strong modern women. All of which probably sounds quaintly odd to western ears, but if you look further down the spectrum of cute kpop groups, epitomized currently by GFriend, you'll find a whole next level. Whilst, for the male gaze at least, OMG are meant to represent an ideal cute/sexy girlfriend material, GFriend are meant to appeal to a male audience for who female sexuality is somehow a little too threatening. It's almost like they just want to stare at the doe eyed pretty girl but they have to stay completely inaccessible to them and anyone else. Their fans will say they support them like a younger sister or young niece, but they'd all totally lose interest if their favourite member was found out to be dating. There's a big infantilizing trend running through a lot of kpop, and wider Korean society to an extent. In the days of hypersexualised pop acts being commonplace, especially in the West, a trend going the other way on paper sounds to be a positive, but the reality of it is too creepy.





    (G)I-DLE. AKA 4minute 2.0. 4Minute's management decided it weren't bothered about renewing their contracts and unceremoniously dumped all the members bar Hyuna, who also had a flourishing solo career. Much more profitable for them to simply replace them with an identikit set of younger girls on new contracts with no demands of a fairer deal. Not long after that Hyuna would also end up being forced out of the company after it emerged she was dating a boy from the company's boy group Pentagon. He was kicked out as well, and they're both now living happily ever after on instagram.



    IU. A rare positive light. She's been quietly ruling in the solo female pop sphere for several years now and has always been a talented performer / singer but she seems to be growing as a artist with each new album. This is her latest in which she's giving haters a yellow card and cheerily letting the people know they need to back the fuck off. There are others out there doing similar things and having some creative involvement, but few are on the level of IU. Gain seemed to be trying to follow a similar career path, but the last i heard of her was that she was grassing up and friend for offering her weed to cure her depression. She felt in necessary to publicly state she would never touch it cause it's illegal and that she was already receiving legal opioid injections thank you very much. Too much wtf. She ended up being investigated by the police and went into treatment of some kind



    Sunmi. Former Wonder Girls member left JYP and proved you can still have a flourishing second fase career, even if you are now a 10 year veteran and over 25. Other former members Yenny & Yubin have also had solo singles (Yubin tried to release a cover of City Pop anthem Plastic Love, until they realised the Future Funk artist they'd contacted to produce it hadn't done anything to actually change the original bar overdub some snares.).




    Red Velvet. As seen a few posts up. Flying the flag for 90s rnb production. SM definitely have the best ear for outside production but their acts are generally drilled to the point of being automatons, so the result can be an odd mix. Several of the members of SNSD have been releasing solo tracks, some of which are musically interesting enough to be posted here, but they just have the feeling that the singer is pretty much interchangeable to the point of being almost irrelevant beyond marketing a name. I know that's what manufactured pop can be, but when it's done at an organisation level to such a regimented, well orchestrated degree, it reaches into some kind of uncanny valley and risks becoming wholly depersonalized.
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    fascinating, thank you. this is maybe something for another thread, i dunno, but the continued influence of LaChapelle throughout eastern and western pop music videos is worth noting. http://www.lachapellestudio.com/
    there's something very powerful about it. it really conveys the sense of the Spectacle existing on a higher level of Reality to our own. it feels like being trolled by the gods and goddesses who live there. i like it a lot.

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    May respond to Trillhouse at some point or even go into furthers but that Twice - TT song has been one of my favorite songs for a few years now, I love it so much.

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