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    That speech is one there's been a lot of arguments over, isn't there? You seem to be of the same opinion as T.S. Eliot

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    I have always felt that I have never read a more terrible exposure of human weakness of universal human weakness than the last great speech of Othello.

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    I read what you wrote Jenks and I want to take your Year 7 Shakespeare class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    I was looking at Lear for quotes about eyes for the eye thread and I was stopped in my tracks by the cruelty of this line:

    REGAN Go thrust him out at gates, and let him smell
    His way to Dover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post


    Thanks for all of those Corpsey (my Y7s would probably appreciate you more than they currently do me) - I think the thing is that too often we divorce the speech from the play - without the context Othello's speech would be very different indeed. And I think that's why it's worth remembering it is a script, a heard and played thing, not only a written down thing. A bit like sheet music given to performers to make real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tea View Post
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    There's also that great line by Gloucester - 'I see it feelingly'

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    I think it's fair to say that being force-fed Shakespeare probably puts some kids off literature. And that there could be a wider range of authors being studied. And tbh, the first time Shakespeare 'stuck' at school for me was at A level, reading 'Hamlet'. Before then I probably thought he was boring, confusing, hopelessly ancient.

    The 'he just wasn't very good' line isn't even laughable, because she doesn't go into it.

    Saying all this I do think Bardolatry is an obstacle in the way of appreciating Shakespeare.

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    For those who've not enountered Toltoy's famous attempted slewing of Shakespeare:

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tolstoy_on_Shakespeare

    And Orwell's essay on Tolstoy's hatred of Shakespeare

    http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/lear/english/e_ltf

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    Her argument seems to be that he's rubbish because his language is archaic twaddle which discriminates against people with dyslexia, and he's not relevant to the modern world.

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    I was in my mid/late 20s before I felt I had gleaned any pleasure from Shakespeare. I couldn't make head or tail of it before that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post

    Saying all this I do think Bardolatry is an obstacle in the way of appreciating Shakespeare.
    'The remarkable thing about Shakespeare is that he is really very good - in spite of all the people who say he is very good.
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    This is going to sound obvious but...it's really a lot to do with how it's taught. I did some work with the RSC - a project for schools with little or no drama teaching - and it really changed my outlook. Despite being the home of the Bard, they weren't reverent at all - cutting lines/scenes where necessary and really working on seeing the text as something to play with.

    I also think which plays you study and when are also part of the problem - Much Ado may be a great play but all that witty 'banter' is really dead on the page in a classroom whereas 'I am in blood so far stepp'd (or steep'd, depending upon the version) that, should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o'er.' is something most young kids do know - the fuck it, I'm already in trouble I might as well continue. Most adults too...

    I hate that culture of low expectations that kids don't need to know this stuff. People hogging all the cultural capital for themselves...

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