capital by karl marx.

[droid]

Hang on, I think there's a few ripostes to capital we should review first.

Shouldnt take long though.

[john eden]

Not to mention vols2 and 3...

[john eden]

Halfway through volume 2 now.

Strictly for the hardcore, that one.

[john eden]

Finished volume 3 so I am officially the king of the Dissensus Marxist playground.

Vol 3 is quite good because it gets a bit more into crisis and the credit system. The chapters on ground rent are particularly punishing though.

Also there aren't that many David Harvey lectures to go with it.

[luka]

Proud of you eden and awestruck by your persistance and powers of concentration. Many congratulations.

[cwmbran-city]

[Benny B]

[entertainment]

Still don't quite understand why people bother with this. Isn't the "Ok, so he was wrong, but what he actually meant was...." getting a bit tired?

[luka]

lots of right bits tho. not that ive read it lol. but more right than wrong taken as a whole.

[luka]

hes a funny stylist too

[entertainment]

that depends how you weigh the social science aspect, I guess. I mean yeah, there's exploitation going on in the world, but Marx' account of it is built on outdated and incoherent economic theory. Surely, even the radical contemporary Marxists have given up trying to sort out his labour theory of value by now. And of course in any case, history didn't really pan out like he predicted. I just think it's a shame that so many great thinkers, who have true and honest critique of capitalism, all seem to gravitate towards Marxism.

[john eden]

that depends how you weigh the social science aspect, I guess. I mean yeah, there's exploitation going on in the world, but Marx' account of it is built on outdated and incoherent economic theory. Surely, even the radical contemporary Marxists have given up trying to sort out his labour theory of value by now. And of course in any case, history didn't really pan out like he predicted. I just think it's a shame that so many great thinkers, who have true and honest critique of capitalism, all seem to gravitate towards Marxism.

How is it wrong?

[luka]

what exactly do people mean by reicfication?

[john eden]

what exactly do people mean by reicfication?

It's not a word I use, but isn't it basically objectification?

So women become objects for male gratification.

The products of people's labour, the things they create, become commodities.

[Benny B]

It's not a word I use, but isn't it basically objectification?

So women become objects for male gratification.

The products of people's labour, the things they create, become commodities.

And yet many men on the hard left oppose the women-led movement to abolish prostitution.