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    Just to give the positives of the internet in this context. Iím a 21 year old, with no A levels or university degree, Iím not earning much money, I donít socialise with intellectuals and Iím fairly lazy. Pre-internet I donít imagine I would have:

    1) been able to access huge amounts of academic information (studies, research, streaming lectures online, etc.).
    2) been able to read numerous broad sheets from all over the world for free
    3) access to fact checkers
    4) the ability to instantly fact check something myself
    5) very immediately find out the history of a story
    6) have respected people pointing me towards other information sources (for example academics on twitter)

    Of course itís crucial that I actively go out of my way to find points of view that disagree with my own. The internet has facilitated lots of niche political echo chambers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    Pre-internet I don’t imagine I would have...
    Well of course those are all good things, but I don't think anyone here was going as far as "The internet is bad" - the argument being that the internet has been bad for print media, which seems pretty unarguable, and even that an early adopter of online journalism like the Guardian is suffering due to competition from relative upstarts such as BuzzFeed.

    There are winners and losers with almost any new technology. The internal combustion engine was bad for people who made a living breeding, tending or trading in horses.
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    Yeah that's all good stuff. I guess the issue is that a lot of the broad sheets, e.g., that you've been able to access for free are probably going to go bottom-up fairly soon because nobody is paying for them. I wonder if academia is suffering a similar financial blow from having journals made free online?

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    Many journals still charge (a lot! Well I call thirty quid quite a lot...) to access papers electronically.

    Maybe academic publishers are struggling but that's not the same thing as academia per se, which AFAIK has always been funded mainly by government.
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    perhaps the only way forward for some newspapers will be being supported by wealthy benefactors, like artists were centuries ago (or like jeff bezos with the washington post). of course, some of those benefactors might at times want to influence editorial (like murdoch with the ny post, for sure...)

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    maybe there is hope for the profession...

    MSNBC's Chris Matthews made a clarifying point, highlighted in Brian Stelter's "Reliable Sources" newsletter: "[W]e're only learning the truth of all these endless meetings with the Russians because of good reporting ... We're getting great print coverage by the hour. And that's the only reason this administration is admitting things. Trump didn't act on Flynn until it was exposed by the press. The attorney general didn't recuse himself until today because the report ran in today's newspapers. This is an administration being driven by truth that's coming from somewhere else."

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    No reporting going on. Spoon-fed by sources in intelligence agencies.

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    I love my first post in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    No reporting going on. Spoon-fed by sources in intelligence agencies.
    that how reporting works, tho. particularly political reporting (deep throat>watergate, daniel ellsberg>pentagon papers, etc.) it's very rare that investigative reporters simply stumble upon news or find it by digging endlessly, they don't have the time or resources.

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    forget the MSM
    its all about the indies,
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    Ahem, call her by her name, please:

    Louise Mensch And Her Unendurable Stench
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    clearly worth it if dacre is suing https://www.byline.com/project/67/article/1534

    what about osborne and the standard?

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