has this monster of an article been posted already?
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/aug/02/how-rave-music-conquered-america
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/aug/02/how-rave-music-conquered-america
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This seems like an important moment in the downfall of western civilization :
(Know it's bit old, but didn't see it earlier)
To be fair though, his selection's on point:
http://betherave.com/2013/10/suck-djing/
Sounds like it was really one of those "you had to be there" moments
http://www.inthemix.com.au/features/54529/A_techno_nerd_reviews_DJ_Pauly_D
(Know it's bit old, but didn't see it earlier)
To be fair though, his selection's on point:
http://betherave.com/2013/10/suck-djing/
Sounds like it was really one of those "you had to be there" moments
http://www.inthemix.com.au/features/54529/A_techno_nerd_reviews_DJ_Pauly_D
trza
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Pauly D is not the worst by far. If anything people should be disappointed in the DJ's that try to jack his swagger (swaggerjack). I mean what's the deal with EDM dj's spending two hours in the gym everyday doing curls? I know the ladies live their "man candy" but some of these guys look like fitness models on their flyers.
If anything Pauly D is part of a long tradition of musical acts taking their haircuts to open the doors of fame and success. Last time I checked these guys were paid for getting their female followers to walk through the doors at clubs and he gets more of them than the guy in the mouse costume. If you aren't a teenage girl then the stuff wasn't meant for you and you're just jealous.
If anything Pauly D is part of a long tradition of musical acts taking their haircuts to open the doors of fame and success. Last time I checked these guys were paid for getting their female followers to walk through the doors at clubs and he gets more of them than the guy in the mouse costume. If you aren't a teenage girl then the stuff wasn't meant for you and you're just jealous.
firefinga
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Catching up on things....
Hey guys....first off,
I used to read Dissensus from 2004 to 2006, I kinda stopped reading the board and caring much for contemporary (dance)music for the following years (personal reasons and shit...not the music itself) but lately I picked up a strange interest in many "dissensus" things again.
So, pardon me, but I got some catching up to do. The years 2008 - 2013 are blank here, the last "Big Thing" I noticed and appreciated was Burial so there you go...
Anyways, back on the block and this thread caught my attention. I swear I didn't know of Tiesto or David Guetta until some point last year, and the whole "EDM" thing.
So here are a few things that crossed my mind when researching the whole phenomenon a bit further. One thing that immediately came to mind was, the music per se is possibly the least noteworthy element of this whole phenomenon. It looks just like a marketing ploy with the music just as a vehicle for it.
Then, the main figures in this game seem to be quite old. Tiesto and Guetta are well over 40! Odd, thinking they might be three times the age of many kids raving to this stuff (Damn despite being a veteran regarding dancemusic, I still got 10 years off some of those guys, hell maybe there still is hope!)
Another odd reaction when checking some youtube vids - I do recognise some patterns in the music, some structures. They are familiar, but at the same time very alien to me. Like a commercially altered behemoth of musical styles I loved appearing out of nowhere.
Another thing totally alien to me: the money some of these guys seem to make. Totally out of any proportion for my head.
more to come maybe later on.
Hey guys....first off,
I used to read Dissensus from 2004 to 2006, I kinda stopped reading the board and caring much for contemporary (dance)music for the following years (personal reasons and shit...not the music itself) but lately I picked up a strange interest in many "dissensus" things again.
So, pardon me, but I got some catching up to do. The years 2008 - 2013 are blank here, the last "Big Thing" I noticed and appreciated was Burial so there you go...
Anyways, back on the block and this thread caught my attention. I swear I didn't know of Tiesto or David Guetta until some point last year, and the whole "EDM" thing.
So here are a few things that crossed my mind when researching the whole phenomenon a bit further. One thing that immediately came to mind was, the music per se is possibly the least noteworthy element of this whole phenomenon. It looks just like a marketing ploy with the music just as a vehicle for it.
Then, the main figures in this game seem to be quite old. Tiesto and Guetta are well over 40! Odd, thinking they might be three times the age of many kids raving to this stuff (Damn despite being a veteran regarding dancemusic, I still got 10 years off some of those guys, hell maybe there still is hope!)
Another odd reaction when checking some youtube vids - I do recognise some patterns in the music, some structures. They are familiar, but at the same time very alien to me. Like a commercially altered behemoth of musical styles I loved appearing out of nowhere.
Another thing totally alien to me: the money some of these guys seem to make. Totally out of any proportion for my head.
more to come maybe later on.
owengriffiths
Owen
Funnily enough Tiesto would've been making decent money even before the Pioneer CDJs became industry standard. But yeah the size of people's bank balances now must be insane. Probably a correspondence between earnings and bookings for second tier cities in the US. If you can pull in big crowds in places away from the obvious East Coast, LA, Chi Town/ Motor City/ North Coast (i.e what us European's were familiar with in the 90's) then you've probably made it big. I'm guessing the Frankie Knuckles & Josh Wink's of this world didn't get their foot in the door for this level of corporate, and probably didn't want to either.
trza
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trza
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Nice job burying the lead in that video. Bourdain is talking with a magician complaining about being squeezed out by the success of EDM.
I don't want to make guesses about what Bourdain says or does in Vegas over the whole episode, but Vegas has changed because the demographics of people visiting and living there have changed. There are 13 casino's in my state with at least one more on the way, when you add in the bordering states there are nearly 30 casinos within a days drive. Twenty years ago the number was zero. The average age of a customer at the nearest casino is SEVENTY FOUR YEARS OLD, that means if I go there I will be greeted by a bunch of eighty somethings. Thats where the cheesey decades past their prime musicians are getting booked now instead of Vegas.
I don't want to make guesses about what Bourdain says or does in Vegas over the whole episode, but Vegas has changed because the demographics of people visiting and living there have changed. There are 13 casino's in my state with at least one more on the way, when you add in the bordering states there are nearly 30 casinos within a days drive. Twenty years ago the number was zero. The average age of a customer at the nearest casino is SEVENTY FOUR YEARS OLD, that means if I go there I will be greeted by a bunch of eighty somethings. Thats where the cheesey decades past their prime musicians are getting booked now instead of Vegas.
I was thinking the other day about how since the eighties there would be low lighting at most clubs but at EDM events there are massive light shows (or so I believe). I'm guessing this is because a lot of your EDMers are more used to rock music than your more underground dance music
unlikely, when i used to hear tracks made by bedroom producers who loved edm (2010-2011) it was mainly same old shit with like more focus on melody or something. and even if you nudge it in a slightly more tasteful direction - towards prog/electro house or what have you - one of my friends who's really into that kind of thing, he knows way more about ableton than i do, has much more detailed and directed sound design than me, mixing and mastering too, but his tracks are really shit. it's just a bunch of boys who are using these DAWs like coloring books and making drops.
firefinga
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sure... that could happen
Sure, that could happen. Yet, I don't think chances are very high, because take Skrillex - his music is already a watered down version of Dubstep. As for much of the other EDM acts.... After observing this phenomenon for a few months now, I am simply unable to understand pretty much any of it.
I am in my mid30s now, been listening to "electronic dance music" since my early teens. Still, this leaves me totally puzzled. 'Like the "EDM" of now has evolved totally in a parallel universe (which it probably has!)
Sure, that could happen. Yet, I don't think chances are very high, because take Skrillex - his music is already a watered down version of Dubstep. As for much of the other EDM acts.... After observing this phenomenon for a few months now, I am simply unable to understand pretty much any of it.
I am in my mid30s now, been listening to "electronic dance music" since my early teens. Still, this leaves me totally puzzled. 'Like the "EDM" of now has evolved totally in a parallel universe (which it probably has!)
what's not to understand?
mainstream pop emotionalism + big-room electro house euphoria + mid-range rage and aggressive bass drops
Celine Dion + Ibiza Trance + brostep
very, very of this world.
trza
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I think the comparisons to 80's hair metal are the best for EDM, expecting these guy to grow older and mature and make better music might not be realistic. I think Deadmau5 has some"chill" tracks on his albums, but the quality is just awful, and we all remember that Skrillex channels Burial track from last year.