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  1. #286
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    Yeah, much better when millions die as a result of Western bombs and we can pretend its for the greater good.

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    Russia, Iran and the Syrian state are bombing hospitals and rescue workers while the world watches and wrings its hands (or rubs them with glee, in some cases). But mention that it's conceivable that this may have been prevented and suddenly you're a cheerleader for killing "millions" of civilians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefinga View Post
    Syria is the model of a world where the west isn't willing (or capable) anymore to wield it's power. The multi-lateral world so many "anti-imperialists" are cheering for, and this "new world" isn't a pretty sight at all.
    A multi-lateral world has been the norm tho surely, with a brief interregnum from 1991-2010ish of a unipolar world. That period wasn't pretty either - the West has never exercised its power without recklessness, self-interest and blatant disregard for human life.
    The newly shaping world is definitely grim tho, I agree, and anti-imperialism has to oppose all imperialisms - American, Russian, Chinese, European, Iranian

    I'm sure I'm behind the curve, but Russian activity in building military alliances in Africa suggests the new world is about to be shaped even further.
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    conspiracy theory regarding Syria: as shared via social media by german right wing politicians from the AfD ("Alternative für Deutschland"):

    War in Syria: Isis (and Al Quaeda) products of US/Israeli-government/secret service to destabilize the Middle East - possibly topple Anti-Israeli errr i mean Anti "zionist" regimes/leaders - and in the process islamize Europe via refugees - made possible via Soros sponsored NGO's. Assad, Putin and Iran heroes against Western imperialism and defenders of international law.

    Those guys are in the German parlament, and reaching majority in assorted Eastern Germany (former GDR) regions.
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    Syria latest: Russian plane shot down by Syrian AA gun.

    Israel's fault, obviously.
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    What is worse is that the Turkish left is totally complicit in all these racist attacks on the Syrian and other immigrants. Ever hostile to proletarian internationalism, the main body of the Turkish left sees its best opportunity to seize power positions in an alliance with a moderately secular racist Kemalist regime, as opposed to the conservative racism of the AKP. Turkish left is completely incapable of envisioning an internationalist world without borders. In the last elections almost all major parties supported the openly anti-Arab mainstream opposition coalition. For instance, ODPs leader (Freedom and Solidarity Party), one of the biggest left-wing parties in Turkey agreed to ran in the Kemalist CHPs list in Istanbul municipal elections, TKP (the mainstream stalinist party) pulled out from the election in June (in support of the CHP candidate) and HDP (the Kurdish opposition party, which many socialist parties and groups support) openly supported the CHP candidate for Istanbul. For these nationalist left-wing groups and parties uniting under the banner of an anti-Arabic coalition is convenient, since they can't envision a secular and internationalist program. From the Turkish left's standpoint the choice is between islamism or secularism. Instead of a class struggle perspective this is the fake bourgeois duality they accept and force upon the working class.
    Internationalists in Europe, the middle East and elsewhere should know that:
    1) Turkey has become a vast concentration camp for immigrants from the middle East and Africa.
    2) The EU's policies against immigrants are more vicious, sinister and successful than even that of the US. By turning huge countries in its periphery (not only Turkey but also Libya etc) into prisons, the EU indirectly and de facto reestablished slavery. EU capitalists are taking in as many immigrant laborers as they need to exploit for cheap and they are expelling the rest to be exploited or die in even worse conditions in its peripheral slave states like Turkey.
    3) Internationalists can not turn a blind eye to the suffering of immigrant proletarians in these states, nor they can trust the local official left-wing groups and parties. These middle-class nationalist parties are openly racist and chauvinist and they are tailing behind the government or official bourgeois opposition parties.
    4) To show class solidarity, the first practical step the European internationalists can take is to tell the workers of Europe the truth about the situation of immigrants in Turkey. The EU policies must be exposed and its covert support for Turkey must be stopped.
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