The sophomoric 'who are the real fascists?" response, the calling card for well meaning liberals who rush to defend the free speech of fascists is as illuminating as it is tiresome.
Perhaps the most salient response is simply to point out the historical myopia. Antifa do not simply attack or confront anyone who they 'ideologically oppose', if that were true then every Tory constituency office and GOP town hall would be mobbed. Antifa target fascists and nazis. how do we know they are fascists and nazis? Because they explicitly espouse fascist and nazis ideas and politics.
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I cant say I agree with every target...
OK, well I went out of my way to point out that that's not what I was saying, but I should have known it would be wasted.
They attacked Daniel Miller/Josef K. Do you think he's either a "fascist" or a "Nazi", though? Is he even an "ally" of fascism because he questioned the shutting down of a gallery by a load of furious people who didn't really know anything about the exhibition it had hosted? It's a shame he's buggered off again because I'd be interested to hear his response to being labelled a Nazi - but perhaps his stay was so short because he knew that was exactly the response he'd get from some quarters.
And if you want to talk about history, you must surely be aware of some of the things that been done in the name of anti-fascism, such as the atrocities committed by the Soviets in eastern Europe during and after WWII - many of them committed against civilians who'd already been brutalized by the Nazis themselves. Today a similar position is being taken by Assad and his Russian and Iranian backers in their war against "ISIS". (I'll save you the bother of pointing out that the USA has an extensive record of doing much the same in the name of "anti-communism", of course.)
An insistence on seeing the world in absolute bipolar monochrome, "you're either with us or against is", is common to extremists of all stripes. You're doing it yourself, right now.
To put it even more bluntly: do you agree with ripping people's tongues out because you disagree with what they have to say, even if what they have to say is unequivocally fascist? (Which, I hope we can agree, josef k is not.)
Tea, has it occurred to you that this wasn't aimed at you at all?
No, I think he is deeply misguided, and I even have some perverse admiration of his willingness to defend his ideas, but on the other hand, from what I know of the gallery it was dodgy as fuck and I can understand why hed be met with hostility (and the reactions in those videos are fairly mild TBH) by anti fascists.
Wow. What a bizarre conflation of tenuously related events. Not even going to bother dissembling them TBH.
Er no, no Im not, but Id welcome any quotes you can provide to suggest otherwise.
Antifa do not simply attack or confront anyone who they 'ideologically oppose' ... Antifa target fascists and nazis
I'm confused about why some random on the internet who said that fascists should have their tongues cut out is being condemned by Mr Tea but not Brett Stevens, who inspired Breivik and then went on to praise him after he had killed 77 people.