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    Default SeaPunk / Chillwave / Nu gaze / Glo-Fi / Molly Pop / Witch Trap / Special Characters

    been encountering lots of these type sounds... some of it can be described as abstract r'n'b blog-bass euphoric twerk-trance moody digital EDM bounce-trap with a bit of wobble, loads of drunk synths and micro-programming.

    some of it can be interesting or even good. in theory. Fatima Al Qadiri for instance, at least somewhat related to these sounds. Have not really come to grips with these sub sub sub sub "genres", aesthetic and conceptual variations between them, what their politics are (if any. but some is very queer-identified), and not sure if it's worth my time really.

    and these typography trends, special characters and letters that look like hieroglyphics... loosely associated with some of this but also adopted by N. American Global bass and Cumbia net labels, etc. I have not seen design magazines or anyone really talk about it: have you?

    what you reckon? kids these days, eh?
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    "So, anyway, my friend - who's reaaally cool, you should meet him - he told me about this youth lifestyle brand called Ibiza Rocks, and, anyway, we booked this amaaazing suite at the hotel in San Antonio - of course, I'd never normally go there, and aaanyway, we got reaaaally pilled up and I had this revelation about Cafe Del Mar, yeah?, and when we got back I downloaded - illegally, of course - this bitching synth called Massive and just did some tracks, you know? Just a really chilled out, positive vibe, and after I'd uploaded them, tagging them my own genre that I'd made up, you know, creating my own brand, it was reaaaally amazing, right? This guy from - I know, right, insane - from Grand Theft Auto just emailed me - out of the blue - and licensed them. Life's so maaad sometimes."
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    lol where that from?

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    I can't really tell but I think its a bunch of 4chan/tumblr kids taking the piss out of everyone elses' microgenres by making their own, like what hipster runoff used to do, with a few earnest concept albums thrown in. The stuff that's actually good inspires a bunch of imitators until everyone gets bored and moves on.

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    the 2 comments so far make these tags seem entirely ironic, flippant and disposable. I am not sure if all or even most of it can be so easily dismissed. If you look on bandcamp and soundcloud, there really is a TON of new music which loosely fit the lump of descriptors i used -- kind of post-everything self-conscious nerd-bass that is content to solipsistically space out on its own plug-ins and too "over it" to rock or dance.

    music which uses the shine and sheen of over-produced pop and Bored of Canada introversion; inner city templates dressed with the glossy ennui and dread of the 'burbs; escapist while knowing that it is impossible to escape.

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    Default zhao is right for once

    sea punk is a good 'sub' genre

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    These things are too disparate to lump. A lot of it is shit. Fatima's like 30, no? You can't say she's the same as most of these people, she comes from an educated art background; most of the kids who become famous in this zone are internet casualties.

    Vaporwave is pretty self-sufficient in Japan from what I hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrowleyHead View Post
    These things are too disparate to lump.

    Fatima's like 30, no? You can't say she's the same as most of these people
    read again what i said please: "(Fatima is) at least somewhat related to these sounds"

    But can you give us a bit of a primer for a few of these "disparate" sounds/scenes, or at least tell us their main differences?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zhao View Post
    music which uses the shine and sheen of over-produced pop and Bored of Canada introversion; inner city templates dressed with the glossy ennui and dread of the 'burbs; escapist while knowing that it is impossible to escape.
    Ballard-earic?

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    Adam Harper's done a couple of pieces on this area - some of this stuff I really like

    http://www.dummymag.com/features/adam-harper-vaporwave

    http://www.electronicbeats.net/en/fe...-in-vaporwave/

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    http://www.dissensus.com/showthread....39&pagenumber=

    got into it a bit here a couple of years ago...

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    load of bollocks posh art school kids theorising but not truly believing in what they are doing

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhao View Post
    Fatima Al Qadiri for instance, at least somewhat related to these sounds.
    she's got an album coming out soon on hyperdub, so it's starting to branch into the "mainstream" of the underground at least.

    i own and like some of her singles, but they are rather superficial and hollow. like eating cake for dinner: initially interesting and attractive but not really substantial or nourishing (which is maybe the "disposable" element she's striving for, not sure).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhao View Post
    read again what i said please: "(Fatima is) at least somewhat related to these sounds"
    She isn't though. Fatima's connected directly to the whole Fade To Mind/Lit City crew of Americans doing UK sounds through their boring filter of generic NYC Dance Music Mush. She's never had any relation to these younger kids who are kind of disparate and not found in centralized dance music culture.

    To be blunt, I typically divide 'internet music' into three categories:

    A) Strange Oddities that are made by unique individuals who are coming out of pre-existing underground genres that existed outside of the internet who are slowly making their way to a newer sound (Both Lil' B and Oneohtrix are kind of similarly in this sort of framework)

    B) Cliques of kids who have fascinations with older music who like to put it through weird druggy filters and just sort of have fun. They're not part of a centralized scene of pre-established music, and they tend to fall into this weird DIY loft/punk venue/rave culture. Seapunk are the most obvious examples of this, though I honestly think Salem were in that zone.

    C) "Hipster" "art" figures who see social trends and costume them into their work to suit the current climate. This ranges to Fade To Mind's UK Obsessive costuming for their generic house, Lil' Ugly Mane (former noise artist who discovers internet rap and subsequently becomes an awful minstrel-like parody of Memphis Rap, with 'cloud rap' filters), and the list goes on.

    I personally enjoy Fatima's work as Ayshay a lot more than her 'solo' work, because it's a bit more varied than her solo work. To me anyway. I'll probably get the album though.

    But whenever it comes to these scenes, I have a ton of anxiety because of a lack of... restraint when group three start to curate or pass themselves off as the other two. Because so often these figures are plugged in so that they can override the hype generated by acts from the first two camps, because they have friends in 'journalistic' (Fader/Noisey) spots, or they have access to 'hip' 'big on the internet' producers who aren't actually part of the climate of the genre they're invading... But 'big enough' in their weird urban middle-class culture that they supercede value in the actual genres they are trying to make their way into.

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    I just wrote (the above) as a reponse, Zhao!

    I like alot of the druggy hiphop but the rest from what I've heard is (see reply earlier)

    Which seapunk should I listen to woops?
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