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Leo

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there was no one else, plus she has the legacy and name recognition. apparently the other far-right candidate isn't even a politician, was a talkshow host who was frustrated with her, jumped into the race late.
 

Leo

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My concern is we're seeing a pattern unfold of someone getting in, things getting steadily worse and Le Pen inching closer and closer to the finish line with each election until she finally wins it.

sure, that's possible. but how long do people keep backing a losing horse in a race?
 

Leo

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also, keep in mind macron trounced her last time, 66%-33%. I'm sure it'll be closer this time, but that's a huge gap to make up.
 

Leo

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probably because she had no real, professional competition on the far right. if she loses a third time, it seems logical that the party will look for a fresh face who is a real opponent.
 

Leo

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yeah, she could have a big rebound and macron could not get a lot of the far-left voters. he led her by 10+ points all year and as high as 16 points in mid-march, and now the gap is down to six.
 

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Mr. Tea

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the other far-right candidate was doing better than her for awhile, to the point that her own daughter quit her campaign and went to work on his. not sure what changed. but she's started to get the tag of a perennial loser, surely this will be the end of her presidential quest if she loses for the third time.

turns out the kingmaker is the far-left candidate who finished a close third. he's told followers they shouldn't give one vote to le pen, but also hasn't endorsed macron, which means many of his followers might just stay home on Election Day. and a certain segment of far right and far left overlap in what they stand for. gonna be interesting, NATO would certainly be screwed if she wins (considering she's friends with Putin and has taken lots of Russian money).
Plus ca change, innit? Like the Bernie Bro's who voted for Trump, or the bitter Corbynites who've already got champagne on ice for when the Conservatives win the next general election...
 

Mr. Tea

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Plus ca change, innit? Like the Bernie Bro's who voted for Trump, or the bitter Corbynites who've already got champagne on ice for when the Conservatives win the next general election...
That said, Macron does seem to have made a substantial lurch to the right, so it's not hard to see why French progressives are hacked off with having to choose between him and Le Pen.
 

Mr. Tea

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Well this is abundantly grim:


Ties in to what we were talking about in the Kanye thread the other day, about the confluence of extremist views and mental illness.

(As an aside, just how inept a terrorist do you have to be for one of your *petrol* bombs to fail to go off?)
 

Mr. Tea

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So who else heard about the arrests in Germany of the far-right terrorist group plotting a coup with the aim of re-establishing the old imperial monarchy?


My favourite detail is that one of those arrested is a celebrity chef, described as "commander of the group's military wing responsible for recruitment, obtaining weapons and building a secure communications system." (With regard to that last item, the fact that the group has been busted presumably indicates that he should stick to cooking in future. Albeit cooking - IN JAIL.)

Less surprisingly, one of them in an AfD MP.
 
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Mr. Tea

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Couldn't happen with Harry. He's already 'contaminated the royal bloodline' as far as the sort of people who'd be into this kind of thing are concerned.
 
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