20% for the Greens and Socialists might be disappointing from a Netherlands viewpoint, but looks at least promising from an outsider's perspective, since it says here that the SP actually opposes privatisation (unlike some alleged socialist parties). Chances of such parties getting 20% in the UK are risibly low, though I suppose the Greens are majorly stymied by the lack of proportional representation and the resulting lack of publicity/sense that they're 'worth' voting for (which on the upside also ensures UKIP have 1 MP, but sadly doesn't stop millions voting for them or deny them publicity).
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I had to look up Pasokification, is this correct: "reducing a country's main social democratic party to the smallest party in parliament as a result of the rise of a more radical left party"?. Because I would say they have not been reduced due to the rise of a more radical left but by a more radical right in fact. A lot of old (Dutch) Labour Party voters have moved to the PVV of Geert Wilders (who, besides being the trademark Muslim/immigrant-basher also has a rather economically socialist program, in fact, it parallels the actual Socialist Party on quite some points). It's especially the Greens (GL) that have won on the left side and this is almost completely due to young voters.
Young voters are the future though.
Positives are the quadrupling of the green vote and wilders dropping to 13% after polls showing 25-40%. Very similar result to Austria actually.
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And I suppose that the shift in racism to largely focus upon invective against Islam (post-2001, or was it occurring before - I find it hard to remember) has often involved a shift in far right tactics to position itself as the defender of tolerance, of women's rights in particular and even of gay rights in some cases (as with Wilders, while Le Pen's attitude, well, it's pretty conflicted...: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/02/14...-sex-marriage/).
From a UK perspective, things could change a lot if UKIP decided to go down a similar path, taking its lead from the more 'sophisticated' European fascists rather than Trump (appealing disproportionately to voters who will soon be dead, while Le Pen scores highest among both 18-24 year olds and 35-49s). Though I guess that the UK voting public's attachment to neoliberalism would stop some of the same manoeuvres Le Pen is attempting.
The world is absurdly complicated right now.
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If anyone is interested in how to interpret the Dutch elections, this is a good place to start in general: https://twitter.com/redlightvoices, and these few tweets sum up my feelings pretty precise: https://twitter.com/saramsalem/statu...07091125686272
At stake now is liberal western democracy, threatened by the populistswho all have authoritarian streaks in common. Sure you can lament liberal western democracy is most and foremost catering to the 5% wealthy (which it is) - still at least regarding personal freedoms and the rule of law this is way better than the "populist democracy" THEY propose.
The populists now begin to lose and don't match the (somewhat hyperbolic) expectations of themselves, their supporters and some fear-loving media.
The flipside to this is the unfortunate tendency of some on the capital-L Left to make common cause with Islamists whose views on women, gays and Jews would have them labelled far-right - neo-Nazi, even - if they were white.
Of course, all this is only half the story as it ignores the economic aspect - I don't really know where Wilders stands on this but it sounds like he's anti-austerity, at least, and is presumably keen on protecting 'ordinary Dutch people' (who may be working- or middle-class but are obvious white) from the deleterious effects of neoliberalism, although this is rather at odds with his professed admiration for Margaret Thatcher. I understand Le Pen has some policies that are pretty unarguably left-wing, if not 'socialist' per se. In this country, the fact that UKIP are obviously never going to get anywhere near direct power gives them (like the Greens) the luxury of not having to have anything close to a consistent economic policy*, with palaeosexist lunatic Godfrey Bloom drawing cheers from socialists for his criticism of the banking system while the party's MEPs can't even agree on whether or not the NHS should be privatized. Unlike the Greens, UKIP represents a significant enough vote drain to threaten the Tories and are also benefiting from Labour's implosion in some working-class former Labour strongholds. Indeed UKIP's real triumph is that its manifesto points are starting to become policy without the party occupying a single seat in the Commons.
*though they're arguably in good company with the present government on that score
From: https://medium.com/@flaviadzodan/be-...fff#.sqscgnlm1“Enough of the mass immigration, asylum, terror, violence and lack of safety.
Here is our plan: instead of financing the entire world and the people we do not want here, we give our money back to the common Dutch person.
This is what the PVV [ed: name of Geert Wilders’ party or “Party for Freedom” in English] will do:
1) de-islamize the Netherlands
- Zero asylum seekers and no more immigrants from Muslim countries: we are closing our borders.
- Withdrawal of all residence permits already granted to asylum seekers; asylum seeker centers closed down.
- No more Muslim veils in public functions
- Ban of overall Muslim expressions that are against the public order
- Preventive incarceration of radical Muslims
- Criminals with double nationality stripped of their Dutch citizenship and deported
- Syrian fighters not allowed back in The Netherlands
- All Mosques and Muslim schools are to be closed and the Koran banned.
2) The Netherlands will reclaim its independence. Therefore, we leave the EU.
3) Direct democracy: binding referendums, citizens have the power.
4) Deductible/excess in healthcare insurance is eliminated
5) Rents to be lowered
6) Age of retirement back to 65 years old. Pensions for everyone.
7) No more money for foreign aid, windmills, art, innovation, public broadcasters, etc.
8) Past budget cuts involving care will be reversed.
9) Plenty extra funds for defense and police
10) Lower income taxes
11) 50% reduction for vehicle ownership taxes
Financial benefits per point [ED: the savings for the Dutch State that each of his points will provide]
1. + 7.2 billion Euro
2. to be calculated at a later date
3. to be calculated at a later date
4. — 3.7 billion Euro
5. — 1 billion Euro
6. — 3.5 billion Euro
7. + 10 billion Euro
8. — 2 billion Euro
9. — 2 billion Euro
10. — 3 billion Euro
11. — 2 billion Euro