Nationalism, immigration and racism in the EU

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A TV debate late in the campaign showcases the appeal of far-right leader Geert Wilders, who pulled off a shock victory in Dutch elections on Wednesday.

He was up against Frans Timmermans, the socialist standard bearer who returned from Brussels in a vain attempt to stop his homeland’s rightward tilt.

“You speak, I believe, seven languages,” Wilders told the son of a diplomat and ex-European commissioner. “But not the language of the people.”
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luka

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i think part of it, talking to the aged, is old people needing healthcare and finding all the staff are foreign and dont understand english and they find that scary.
 
luka

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that thing people say about you should love immigrants cos they prop up the nhs sort of cuts both ways in that regard.
 
craner

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It surprised me how many Boomers signed on for the anti-immigration ticket. I assumed their record collections had inoculated them, which was very naive. It was a powerful lesson.
 
Mr. Tea

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craner said:
It surprised me how many Boomers signed on for the anti-immigration ticket. I assumed their record collections had inoculated them, which was very naive. It was a powerful lesson.
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You reckon? I bet tons of them have hardly anything from any artists not from this country or the US.
 
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luka said:
that thing people say about you should love immigrants cos they prop up the nhs sort of cuts both ways in that regard.
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there's a story going round that becos the tories have failed to "stem the tide" of immigration, and in fact the figures show a dramatic rise over recent months, they have unwittingly saved the economy from an even worse post-truss fate
 
luka

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and that gave them a respect for other cultures, more than that they developed a reverence for african american culture. thats what i thought craner was getting at in any case.
 
luka

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i think thats partly why boomers were much more chilled with immigration from west indies and india. cool places with a connection to england. the beatles went to india. black people were good at dancing, smoked weed. but lost it when the east euopeans, the gypsy beggars, the north africans etc came in
 
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luka said:
i think thats partly why boomers were much more chilled with immigration from west indies and india. cool places with a connection to england. the beatles went to india. black people were good at dancing, smoked weed. but lost it when the east euopeans, the gypsy beggars, the north africans etc came in
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Well yeah, I was gonna say that Jimi Hendrix, Whitney Houston, Grace Jones and Bob Marley have precious little to do with the EU, so I think it'd be a bit naive (sorry @craner) to think someone with all those kinds of records would be more likely to vote Remain. Though that said, it was a very emotive issue and whether any given argument 'made sense' didn't have much impact on how popular or persuasive it was.

Now that I think about it, someone of that age who at the time was too conservative to listen to black music of whatever origin was probably listening mainly to classical instead, and nearly all of the big hitters in that world were from continental Europe.
 
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Well yeah, I was gonna say that Jimi Hendrix, Whitney Houston, Grace Jones and Bob Marley have precious little to do with the EU, so I think it'd be a bit naive (sorry @craner) to think someone with all those kinds of records would be more likely to vote Remain. Though that said, it was a very emotive issue and whether any given argument 'made sense' didn't have much impact on how popular or persuasive it was.

Now that I think about it, someone of that age who at the time was too conservative to listen to black music of whatever origin was probably listening mainly to classical instead, and nearly all of the big hitters in that world were from continental Europe.
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That's why, in my post, I said it was very naive.
 
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luka said:
i think part of it, talking to the aged, is old people needing healthcare and finding all the staff are foreign and dont understand english and they find that scary.
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They say the same of doing anything over the phone when you get put through to a call centre, although the most difficulty I've had was with a stuttering Geordie.
 
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