Rinse FM Pop music.

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Sectionfive

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It's more or less what the 80's R'n'B/Electro-soul thread people would sound like today and all dance-pop over the last four or so decades innit. Better than indie shite isn't the best of achievements but it's an improvement on whatever was doing the rounds ten years ago I guess. We can only welcome the song coming back to the centre of dance music though, even it does feel like you should be reaching for the pipe and slippers.


Think I read something on vice recently about 1xtra, it wasn't the best written piece but the gist was house was slow replacing black music and even the 'urban' label was slowly being dropped. Would the sounds and scenes that rinse traditionally have fostered brought in youth in the same way they have over the years or has this mainstream thing completely taken over?
 
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Sectionfive said:
Would the sounds and scenes that rinse traditionally have fostered brought in youth in the same way they have over the years or has this mainstream thing completely taken over?
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The youth that Rinse traditionally have fostered are still there in exactly the same way if not more so. Mark Radford's show has recently moved from it's 10-12 slot to 9-11 on Saturdays presumably due to popularity. It's the Deep Tech scene where the truly savvy same youth are currently congregated. The internet is inexorably better than the old pirates. They were good in their day but old hat now.
 
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rubberdingyrapids

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1xtra plays more dance music than anything else already. im not sure if there is much difference between rinse and 1xtra anymore - all the rinse presenters sound like theyre auditioning for kiss or 1xtra. does 1xtra still say its the home of black music?

what this stuff is doing is basically doing what a lot of british pop has always done, but rather than some pop savvy songsmith working with a clever producer, its people that previously would have made underground stuff doing it themselves. glad its all about songs, yeah, but that comparison to what spiller and them were doing a decade or so ago makes you realise that that stuff now sounds a bit more grown up (more like deep tech), whereas this stuff, despite sounding like all diff bits of ukg, sounds both old-school and like it should only really be for people who were being born when cape fear first came out.
 
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you know what I mean, the house we're talking about is not comparable to something like bashment. House in the US is not EDM. 1xtra was to have that distinction from Radio One and if everything starts to sound like Disclosure then..

Here's that piece

Last week it was announced that resident Dancehall DJ Robbo Ranks and RnB DJ CJ Beatz have been axed from 1Xtra. It’s part of reshuffle that BBC Controller Ben Cooper has put down to "budget cuts" but interestingly the station is keeping and promoting club DJs such as Mistajam, Monki and Friction. The daytime 1Xtra playlist is dominated by house producers like Gorgon City, Kove and Secondcity. Similarly last year Capital Xtra, formerly Choice FM, lost nearly all of its specialist black music programming. Soca, gospel and grime were replaced with a dance music focused playlist with shows for Hardwell and Ministry Of Sound. Out with the bashment and in with the Calvin Harris.

There has been much grumbling about the transformation of these stations. In the beginning Choice FM was launched as a black community station and, at the height of Choice’s success, prominent forms of black music in the UK enjoyed prime-time placement. With regular talk shows such as the Schumann Shuffle, hosted by comedian Geoff Schumann, that discussed issues facing the black community: from youth in education to black history, to police and community relations. There was a dedicated and ever growing callership as Schumann featured black community activists, workers, and MPs such as Dianne Abbott, Gus John and Rosemary Campbell. The message was clear; this was more than just a radio station playing the hits, it was about identity.

This is is a far cry from these stations as they are now. Capital Xtra and 1Xtra don’t even use the term "Black music" to describe their output. In 2010, 1Xtra dropped the historic "Love Black Music, Love 1Xtra" strap line in favour of the neutrally inclusive “Xtra Hip-hop, Xtra R&B”. Capital Xtra launched with the slogan "Dance. Urban. UK". I understand that with a drastically falling listenership they want to appeal to as many people as possible but I can't help feeling a part of history is being erased by this conscious courting of the mainstream. I wonder what the ramifications of this will be on the Black British musical identity - is there even such a thing these days as the Black British musical identity?

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In each of these examples, commercialisation meant danceification - 4/4 beats and bubblegum choruses. That music is now being sold back to us by the likes of Capital Xtra and Tinie Tempah as a modernised replacement for what went before. But it’s rootless airport music, with no ties to Black British culture.
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The junglists would bristle here though obviously

grime, arguably the most important homegrown British music since punk rock.
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smugpolice
I understand reference to history and what not but I always disliked that they called 1Xtra a "black music station" originally. It's segregation dressed up as representation imo.
 
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rubberdingyrapids

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theres prob more white artists that get played on 1xtra than non white artists that get played on other stations which dont have a racially explicit music policy play (eg xfm).
 
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CrowleyHead

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I find it really backwards that a dude who never bothered to help out Grime artists when he was commercially relevant and his sway could've influenced his fanbase spent more time coveting electro/indie remixes all the time, but now that it's been proven his taste was shit, he's riding for Grime now?

Also, there's no fucking thing as "Atlanta Soul" for Sam Smith to rip off.

His intentions are great, but this kid is deluded.
 
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Benny Bunter

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that article pissed me off. when black people make pop or house music its ´novelty...rootless airport music´ and white people shouldn´t be influenced by black music culture. all this coming from the frontman of some shite indie band! GTF
 
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In between the two, we also catch a bit of Katy B, who managed to sound like all of the best bits of Rinse FM made for the people who don’t know what Rinse FM is. Which is a really back-handed compliment, but it was the best that I could come up with.
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