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    OK, Im looking for life changing and/or random events that had a major influence on the personal lives of musicians and/or the history of music - a couple of examples:

    Geno Washington turning up at a party with a couple of Ian Brown's mates, and convincing Brown that he had what it took to be a rock star. Apparently it was Washington's enthusiasm that convinced Brown to join the band.

    http://louderthanwar.com/night-ian-b...no-washington/

    Neil Young driving his hearse around LA and just happening to drive past Stephen Stills and Richie Furay, going on to form Buffalo Springfield and... well the rest is history.

    Glyn Johns being made head chorister at the age of 11 at his local church.

    Eno attending a lecture by Pete Townshend about the use of tape machines by non-musicians in 1969.

    Tim Smith giving Dizzee his first cubase assignment, or rather, Langdon Park school benefitting from free cast off computers from Canary Wharf companies: http://www.theguardian.com/music/200...n.dizzeerascal

    The more random the better.
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    Microscopic, but YG was originally just gangbanging, but he came to prominence as a rapper and dancer in the jerk movement because his little brother started dancing and he wanted to support him to encourage him to stay away from banging. Its mentioned in a documentary on Jerk somewhere on youtube.

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    the accidental meetings that led to band formations and therefore could easily have not happened, these seem the most counter-factual generative - like Sioux and Severin meeting at the Roxy concert at Wembley

    but others - seems fairly likely that Eno would have come across other things that would have shown the creative potential of tape machine - ian brown probably had enough of dormant ego that something would have fanned it enough to become a lead singer - maybe not that band at that juncture though

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiLhead View Post
    the accidental meetings that led to band formations and therefore could easily have not happened, these seem the most counter-factual generative - like Sioux and Severin meeting at the Roxy concert at Wembley

    but others - seems fairly likely that Eno would have come across other things that would have shown the creative potential of tape machine - ian brown probably had enough of dormant ego that something would have fanned it enough to become a lead singer - maybe not that band at that juncture though
    Ha yes, sure, although the Washington encounter seemed to have made an enormous impact on Brown, and who knows... Eno says that was the moment he realised he could be a musician.

    The band formation thing is an angle alright, if you look at classified ads alone - without the independent music press and fanzine scene in the UK & US, there'd be no Smiths, no Metallica, no....MOTLEY CRUE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiLhead View Post
    the accidental meetings that led to band formations and therefore could easily have not happened, these seem the most counter-factual generative - like Sioux and Severin meeting at the Roxy concert at Wembley
    Thats a good one, there must be tons more... but I guess once a band like Roxy existed, it was inevitable it would attract like minded people.

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    what would Sabbath have sounded like if Tony Iommi hadn't injured his hand in the factory accident? more conventional, less heavy?

    seem to recall there was some contingent peculiarity to do with how Peter Hook developed his bass style - it was a really cheap, or defective instrument, and he had to play it more like a baritone guitar. he learned to play it the wrong way, and by the time he realised, it was too late - something like that. sorry, the full memory is eluding me and i can't be arsed to look for his memoir.

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    well, Dylan's motorbike accident is a classic pivot

    i don't really care enough about Dylan to be able to speculate, but obviously if he'd died, or been paralysed, then that would have been curtains on any later recording career

    on the other hand if he'd been less injured - broken neck i think it was - then maybe he would not have done the whole retreat from it all, back to rootsy / simple music, woodshedding with The Band etc - which was enormously influential in terms of redirecting rock away from psychedelic excess and back to its roots

    still i think i've read that the accident was more or less his excuse to retreat, something he wanted/needed to do anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiLhead View Post
    what would Sabbath have sounded like if Tony Iommi hadn't injured his hand in the factory accident? more conventional, less heavy?
    I love this story. Apparently it was the tips of the middle and ring fingers on his right hand (bearing in mind he's left-handed) that he lost to a sheet metal cutter as a teenager. He improvised a pair of prostheses based on thimbles which allowed him to carry on playing, but his fingers now weren't strong enough to bend the strings as much as he liked. His only option was to downtune the strings pretty far to reduce the tension - and thus was born Black Sabbath's trademark guitar sound, and arguably heavy metal in its entirety.
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    Obv he was allready an accomplished musician but i always found the story of robert wyatts accident before making rock bottom (and getting married) very moving and inspirational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny B View Post
    Obv he was already an accomplished musician but i always found the story of robert wyatts accident before making rock bottom (and getting married) very moving and inspirational.
    Absolutely - its kind of a despite rather than a because though - or maybe a mix of both?

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