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    let's av it

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    gettin angry at guru murthy




    being a 'marxist'


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    who shares Corbyn's belief that Labour lost the last election because they were Tory lite? (i do)

    is Corbyn being painted by media as way more left wing than the policies he supports really seem to be? (seems so)

    what would/will happen if/when he becomes party leader?

    if you don't like him which of the others are you least appalled by?

    how sick of corbyn guardian articles are you?


    craner i've seen you going in for the slow steady social democracy cause (ie seatbelts), be interested to know your thoughts

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    I'm sure you all remember what happened the last time a bearded man with the initials "J.C." championed the poor and downtrodden while criticizing the rich and powerful. Jussayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glasshand View Post
    who shares Corbyn's belief that Labour lost the last election because they were Tory lite? (i do)
    Labour lost the election because they didn't get enough votes. Any further analysis than that will depend on your own beliefs and prejudices.

    The great majority of English voters who voted Labour in 2010 but didn't in 2015 voted Tory instead, so for them at least, the problem clearly wasn't that Miliband and his shadow cabinet weren't sufficiently left-wing. Of course, even this large bloc of voters is outnumbered many times over by those who didn't vote and have never voted, so rather than trying to win back fair-weather ex-Labour voters who switched to the Tories, it would be better for a Corbyn-led Labour party to try and woo these vote-virgins, who tend to be young and are often economically marginalized and, if they can be persuaded to engage in politics at all, are more likely to vote for a party that represents their own interests.

    At least, that's the theory. Thing is, there's so much anti-immigration/anti-Europe rhetoric around these days, from all the major parties as well as most of the press, that a lot of these non-voters might be more inclined to vote UKIP than Labour.
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    Labour lost the election because they didn't get enough votes. Any further analysis than that will depend on your own beliefs and prejudices.
    I did say belief... but you could do further analysis with some sort of research or evidence ofc. altho i spose those kinda polls aren't being done and would be incredibly hard to interpret.

    putting forward some ideas

    The great majority of English voters who voted Labour in 2010 but didn't in 2015 voted Tory instead, so for them at least, the problem clearly wasn't that Miliband and his shadow cabinet weren't sufficiently left-wing.
    maybe i shoulda been clearer in that corbyn's position on labour's loss isn't that ed miliband and the sc were defeated because they weren't left enough, it was because they just didn't offer anything different to the tories, in terms of voice and narrative.

    i reckon in these neoliberal centreground times the typical notions of left and right didn't mean that much to voters in the last couple elections. maybe this is patronising of me but i think a lot of people don't know what left and right really means now. neoliberal and rightwing ideology set the terms of the debate during the election. the story of the deficit as the cause of the financial crisis and the return to the thatcherite analogy of a national economy to the finances of a household was so powerful and labour did so little to challenge it they walked into it.

    it would be better for a Corbyn-led Labour party to try and woo these vote-virgins, who tend to be young and are often economically marginalized
    from what he's saying about young people in interviews i think this might be the strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glasshand View Post
    maybe i shoulda been clearer in that corbyn's position on labour's loss isn't that ed miliband and the sc were defeated because they weren't left enough, it was because they just didn't offer anything different to the tories, in terms of voice and narrative.
    Yes, I would agree with this. Left-wing people don't want "Tory Lite", they want a proper Labour party, and right-wing people - for the most part - don't want it either, because they're happy voting for the original, full-sugar, caffeinated Tory party.

    I think the blunt terms "left" and "right" are nearing the end of their useful life, if they haven't already outstayed their usefulness by several decades. For one thing, most people who think of themselves as left-wing support the free movement of people, not least because the Right is almost uniformly anti-immigration. And yet the free movement of people - which means the free movement of labour - is about as neoliberal a principle as you can get. The interaction of economics with culture and belief is complex, too - religious voters are often said, on the whole, to be economically progressive but socially conservative - so are they "left-wing" or "right-wing"?
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    Never mind antisemitism. I went right off this guy when i read his views on prostitution

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    What guy? What views?

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    What guy? What views?

    Corbyn. In favour of decriminalisation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny B View Post
    Corbyn. In favour of decriminalisation.
    Why is that a bad thing? Sounds eminently sensible to me, and is what most prostitutes want, as I understand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tea View Post
    Why is that a bad thing? Sounds eminently sensible to me, and is what most prostitutes want, as I understand it.

    Oh really? How do u know that?

    Sorry tea i'll get back to you on this later (im on holiday right now). Interested to see what dissensus thinks about this though. Maybe another thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny B View Post
    Never mind antisemitism. I went right off this guy when i read his views on prostitution
    Can I ask why?
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