john eden
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Difficulty is with seat distribution. Lots of young voters are concentrated in cities (where the colleges and jobs are).
Jeremy Corbyn
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Difficulty is with seat distribution. Lots of young voters are concentrated in cities (where the colleges and jobs are).
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Well if you look at the stats, it's pretty stark: in 2015, SNP got 56 seats with 4.7% of the popular vote (not everyone in Scotland voted for them, remember), while the Lib Dems got 8 (eight, yes eight) seats with 7.9% of the vote. As you say, it's all down to local focus, whereas the LDs' support is spread throughout the UK with only big enough local concentrations for them to win a majority or plurality in a few constituencies.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
True, but I think the more important factor in that particular example was that the universe doesn't like Nick Clegg.
firefinga
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For the same reasons Assad or Putin (and many others) aren't either.
sufi
lala
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-allotment-politics-labour-leader-clues#img-5
lush
would have liked to see his shed also
lush
would have liked to see his shed also
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Polls are often wrong, but they're not generally that wrong. I think the most likely outcomes are either: the Tories hanging on by their fingernails with a majority so tiny they have trouble pushing through much of their further programme of cuts and privatizations - this should be helped by large numbers of non-hard-left Labour MPs warming to Corbyn due to his performance as a campaigner over the last few weeks, and Labour as a whole actually starting to act like an opposition party at long last; or a hung parliament, with everyone other than the Tories cursing Corbyn for having ruled out an alliance with the SNP that would've given the two parties a comfortable majority between them. Even if Corbyn were to change his tune - or be replaced as leader by someone more amenable to an alliance (although not Cooper, apparently) - Sturgeon might well feel too snubbed already to consider it, and instead opt to let England go hang under the Tory lash while banking on Scottish independence a few years down the line, and an immediate application to join the EU.
Of course, I understand the appeal of setting your expectations as low as possible before something like this...
Of course, I understand the appeal of setting your expectations as low as possible before something like this...
corbs didn't rule out a coalition but emily thornberry basically did at the end of corbs' brexit speech..
reason i'm not sure it would work is that the SNP would surely want a condition of a coalition to be another independence ref in scotland, then if that was Yes they'd remain in the EU
reason i'm not sure it would work is that the SNP would surely want a condition of a coalition to be another independence ref in scotland, then if that was Yes they'd remain in the EU
droid
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Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Hmm, I was going on this story: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...ral-democrats-nec_uk_58f77c2be4b0de5bac42b5fd
but from only a few days ago, there's this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/01/jeremy-corbyn-refuses-rule-labour-coalition-deal-snp/
(it's rather open to interpretation and could just be rightist scaremongering, as a quick google only showed up the above story in the Torygraph and a similar one in the Express)
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
That's a good point - the nationalists up north are still strong but there's talk of having passed 'peak SNP'. A Labour resurgence in Scotland could make all the difference - in fact it could be the SNP begging for an alliance with Labour rather than the other way around, who knows?