Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
I want to know about the previous time(s) he destroyed Turkey's economy.

(Knowing Trump, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened in a dream and he's mistaken it for reality.)
 

craner

Beast of Burden
On August 10, 2018, Turkish currency lira nosedived following Trump's tweet about doubling tariffs on Turkish steel and aluminum that day.[33] The currency weakened 17% that day and has lost nearly 40% of its value against the dollar till that time. The crash of the lira has sent ripples through global markets, putting more pressure on the euro and increasing investors' risk aversion to emerging-market currencies across the board.[33] On Aug. 13, South Africa's rand slumped nearly 10%, the biggest daily drop since June 2016. Lira crisis spotlighted deeper concerns about the Turkish economy that have long signaled turmoil long ago.[33]

By the end of 2018, Turkey went into recession. The Turkish Statistical Institute claimed that the Turkish economy declined by 2.4% in the last quarter of 2018 as compared to the previous quarter. This followed a 1.6% drop the previous quarter.[74] Lira shrank down to 30% against the US dollar in 2018.[75]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Turkey
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Huh. I suppose "destroy" is still a little hyperbolic but it does sound like he fucked it up fairly well.
 

firefinga

Well-known member
Let's face it, Trump as well as Brexit, kinda saved this forum. There were days if not weeks when only those two generated posts....
 
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Leo

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yes, that land-locked region failed to send their navy to help us at normandy, so screw them.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
yes, that land-locked region failed to send their navy to help us at normandy, so screw them.
When you've seen as much action as Trump, someone dodging a battle - even one thousands of miles away that they are barely aware of - just really gets your goat.
 

version

Well-known member
"The advanced societies of the future will not be governed by reason. They will be driven by irrationality, by competing systems of psychopathology."

-- J.G. Ballard (2003)
 

version

Well-known member
I found a page of Ballard quotes about the future last night and basically every single one is bang on. It's horrible.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
"The advanced societies of the future will not be governed by reason. They will be driven by irrationality, by competing systems of psychopathology."

-- J.G. Ballard (2003)

totally true, but it begs the question as to what he thinks happened in the past... The difference with now is that no-one is bothering to hide the psychopathology; Trump blew the bloody doors off by showing that it just isn't necessary to waste energy pretending
 

version

Well-known member
I found a page of Ballard quotes about the future last night and basically every single one is bang on. It's horrible.

Some people have suggested that mental illness is a kind of adaptation to the sort of circumstances that will arise in the future. As we move towards a more and more psychotic landscape, the psychotic traits are signs of a kind of Darwinian adaptation. [BBC Radio, 1998]

Our governments are preparing us for a future without work, and that includes the petty criminals . . . The psychopath, with his inward imagination, will thrive. He is already doing so. [GQ, 1996]

Nobody is interested in the future at all. I think the future has been annexed into the present. Occasionally a futuristic image is trotted out, ransacked like an image of the past and absorbed into the ongoing continuum that represents present-day life. [C21, 1991]

One of the reasons we’ve turned our backs against the future at present is that we unconsciously sense that the logics that will dictate our lives in the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years will be completely unlike those which rule our lives today and have ruled our lives in the past. We may move into a very indeterminate, seemingly dangerous and chaotic era where all the old certainties and the social cement that held society together will have gone. [C21, 1991]

The Arab world, the Moslem world, may well take the place of the Communist world as the great bogeyman of the future. [JGB News, 1993]

People realize that they’re living in a totally valueless world—that morality is coming to an end, in the sense that the moral institutions that have underpinned society and given it some sort of fleeting purpose are being dismantled. [21C, 1997]

There were times in its history when the United States came close to suggesting what a utopian project might be, but the less appealing sides to American life now seem to be in the ascendant—there’s a self-infantilism strain that gives America the look of Peter Pan’s Never-never land. However, the future may well be a marriage between Microsoft and the Disney Company—an infantilized entertainment culture imposed on us by the most advanced communications technology. [intv. Hans Obrist, 2003]
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Interesting to compare all that to how *wrong* Burroughs was about leaders of the future - he predicted "no more Stalins, no more Hitlers":

The Leaders of this most insecure of all Worlds are Leaders by accident. Inept, frightened pilots at the controls of a vast machine they cannot understand. Calling in experts to tell them which buttons to push.

Whereas what we actually have is a breed of ultra-confident showmen and tricksters, resolutely ignoring the advice of experts, even openly scoring them, and pushing whatever buttons they damn well please while a rapturous crowd whoops and cheers.
 
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